Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-29-2020, 11:27 PM
hostler hostler is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Southcentral PA
Posts: 551
Likes: 159
Liked 912 Times in 340 Posts
Default Think these are +p?

I am going through the ammo cabinet, cleaning and consolidating, and I came across a box of Fiocchi 38 special HPs. The box said it was standard pressure but the head stamp said +P. I don't remember buying or shooting standard pressure defensive rounds. Which is more likely, Fiocchi putting +p rounds into standard box or Fiocchi putting standard pressure loads in +p stamped cases?
I don't think they would load the wrong cases from the factory, seems like something they would keep an eye on, I'm guessing they just put them in the wrong box.
__________________
GOA life member

Last edited by hostler; 10-29-2020 at 11:33 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-29-2020, 11:40 PM
pantannojack's Avatar
pantannojack pantannojack is offline
US Veteran
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: the ready line, N. Idaho
Posts: 295
Likes: 139
Liked 297 Times in 153 Posts
Default

30 years ago I got some Fiocchi 38 spcl 158g jhp's. They were stamped NNY 38 spl. I asked the specialty dealer clerk if they were +P? He replied: "Ehhh, ahhh". I fired one into a box of dry wall mud from 3 ft. It penetrated about 6"' and expanded impressively for a 38 spl. I have never seen any other 38, +p or std expand at all.
__________________
"Don't Give Up the Ship"
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 10-30-2020, 12:08 AM
LoboGunLeather's Avatar
LoboGunLeather LoboGunLeather is offline
US Veteran
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,514
Likes: 8,148
Liked 20,279 Times in 3,682 Posts
Default

Factory ammo with a +P headstamp must be treated as +P ammo. Any other course of action would be rather foolish.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-30-2020, 12:37 AM
hostler hostler is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Southcentral PA
Posts: 551
Likes: 159
Liked 912 Times in 340 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoboGunLeather View Post
Factory ammo with a +P headstamp must be treated as +P ammo. Any other course of action would be rather foolish.
Mmmmm, I know what you are saying but not sure it applies here as I normally shoot +p.
I carry +p for defense and I use +p for home defense. If I'm deciding on carrying this stuff I would like it to actually be +p and not standard load.

If I treat this +p head stamped ammo as +p I would carry it as I do any other +p. If I'm not sure what it is, so I treat it as standard pressure the worse thing that will happen is I'll shoot it up at the range. Foolish only because defensive ammo is expensive.
__________________
GOA life member

Last edited by hostler; 10-30-2020 at 12:40 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-30-2020, 12:45 AM
banger banger is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 122
Likes: 35
Liked 141 Times in 60 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pantannojack View Post
30 years ago I got some Fiocchi 38 spcl 158g jhp's. They were stamped NNY 38 spl. I asked the specialty dealer clerk if they were +P? He replied: "Ehhh, ahhh". I fired one into a box of dry wall mud from 3 ft. It penetrated about 6"' and expanded impressively for a 38 spl. I have never seen any other 38, +p or std expand at all.



This does not make sense...

Fiocchi was an Italian company.

What appears to be "NNY" headstamp was actually cyrillic lettering used on Yugoslavian ammunition.

The company (Prvi Partizan) would later adopt the lettering of PPU for the U.S. market.

As far as I know, Prvi Partizan Ammunition never had any relationship with Fiocchi.

Last edited by banger; 10-30-2020 at 12:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 10-30-2020, 02:25 AM
rockquarry rockquarry is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,190
Likes: 4
Liked 3,240 Times in 1,622 Posts
Default

I'd chronograph a few rounds.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-30-2020, 02:44 AM
CB3's Avatar
CB3 CB3 is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Utah
Posts: 1,539
Likes: 1,274
Liked 1,900 Times in 756 Posts
Default

Could it be that Fiochi measured pressure initially using CIP European pressure standards, thus the standard velocity box.

For US SAAMI specs, measured differently for the same load, the pressure may have qualified as +P, thus the case marking.

Just a guess. Chrono the load and doubt will be removed.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 10-30-2020, 03:26 AM
murphydog's Avatar
murphydog murphydog is offline
Moderator
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 21,806
Likes: 85
Liked 11,959 Times in 6,455 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hostler View Post
I am going through the ammo cabinet, cleaning and consolidating, and I came across a box of Fiocchi 38 special HPs. The box said it was standard pressure but the head stamp said +P. I don't remember buying or shooting standard pressure defensive rounds. Which is more likely, Fiocchi putting +p rounds into standard box or Fiocchi putting standard pressure loads in +p stamped cases?
I don't think they would load the wrong cases from the factory, seems like something they would keep an eye on, I'm guessing they just put them in the wrong box.
If they are not too old, I would forward photos of the box and a round of the ammunition from different angles to Fiocchi and ask them. If you are unsure treating them as +P as suggested above is a wise idea.
__________________
Alan
SWCA 2023, SWHF 220
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-30-2020, 03:36 AM
rwsmith's Avatar
rwsmith rwsmith is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 28,823
Likes: 37,176
Liked 26,394 Times in 12,602 Posts
Default I'd shoot a couple.....

...and see how they do.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 10-30-2020, 08:13 AM
stansdds stansdds is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,076
Likes: 4,771
Liked 4,731 Times in 2,319 Posts
Default

If the case head is stamped +P, proceed with the assumption that it is +P ammo.
__________________
VCDL, GOA, NRA
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-30-2020, 08:53 AM
hostler hostler is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Southcentral PA
Posts: 551
Likes: 159
Liked 912 Times in 340 Posts
Default

I'll take it to the range and compare it to some +p that I know are +p.
My feeling is that it's +p because I bought it with other +p ammo at the same time. Seems like I remember buying something like six boxes on the same order.
__________________
GOA life member
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-30-2020, 10:08 AM
Sistema1927's Avatar
Sistema1927 Sistema1927 is online now
US Veteran
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: "Land of Disenchantment"
Posts: 1,978
Likes: 1,835
Liked 4,924 Times in 1,422 Posts
Default

Take it to the range, shoot it up using a +P rated revolver. As an unknown, don't use it for self-defense. Problem solved.
__________________
Only a cold warrior
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 10-31-2020, 12:16 PM
kaaskop49 kaaskop49 is offline
Member
Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p? Think these are +p?  
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Demon-class planet
Posts: 6,382
Likes: 24,184
Liked 6,871 Times in 3,147 Posts
Default

The late Dean Grennell of Gun World magazine was very savvy in matters involving new guns and ammo. He would advise to fire one round, eject the case and inspect it for signs of excess pressure or splitting. Also check the gun for any damage including the barrel to make sure the bullet had cleared the muzzle.

If you still have concerns, and you might, better not to be lackadaisical, perhaps perform the above in a .357 revolver with its extra margin of strength. DO NOT, under any circumstances, give the ammo to someone else to fire. I once had to replace the bbl in a Marlin Papoose carbine when I fired some cartridges given to me by a buddy. A bullet lodged in the bbl resulted in a bulged bbl when the next round pushed it out.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:57 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)