Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-30-2020, 10:20 AM
Art Doc's Avatar
Art Doc Art Doc is offline
SWCA Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: The kidney of Dixie.
Posts: 10,395
Likes: 48
Liked 12,940 Times in 3,192 Posts
Default WW II?

I have heard many discussions on how civilian firearms were not available 1942-45 because the manufacturers were focused on filling military orders. Same with ammo? Was ammo unavailable to consumers during the war years?
__________________
No life story has happy end.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-30-2020, 10:44 AM
max's Avatar
max max is offline
US Veteran
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: illinois
Posts: 5,330
Likes: 1,203
Liked 4,509 Times in 1,480 Posts
Default

I wasn't born until after my dad got home from the war. From what I have read and heard, ammo was hard to come by. RCBS got it's start with equipment that would make rifle bullets out of fired .22 cases. Rock Chucker Bullet Swage was the name.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 10-30-2020, 11:13 AM
kwill1911's Avatar
kwill1911 kwill1911 is offline
SWCA Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Waterloo, TX
Posts: 1,903
Likes: 537
Liked 2,810 Times in 778 Posts
Default

It wasn't just "focus." There was a limitation order (L-60) by the War Production Board that made it illegal to sell most guns to civilians during the war. The same applied to ammo although WPB order L-286 made it permissible to sell small quantities of certain calibers to farmers and ranchers.
__________________
Kevin Williams SWCA1649 HF208
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 10-30-2020, 12:01 PM
andy52's Avatar
andy52 andy52 is offline
US Veteran
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,874
Likes: 3,764
Liked 6,495 Times in 1,810 Posts
Default

My father was a teenager during WWII and had told me that ammo was rationed at that time. He said he had to make every shot count when hunting because of the shortage.
__________________
SWCA #3314 SWHF #595
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-30-2020, 12:21 PM
tndrfttom's Avatar
tndrfttom tndrfttom is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: So. Florida
Posts: 447
Likes: 1,024
Liked 766 Times in 234 Posts
Default

I saw this quote on page 36 of the April, 1945 issue of American Rifleman (talking about club .22 caliber match activities):
"Even the critical ammunition shortage did not slow down activities to any extent. Each club member was issued a ration card which entitled him to fifty rounds every two weeks. Team members received a "supplemental" ration of 25 extra rounds for each match."
So it sounds like some small ration of .22 ammo was available to club members for competition.

Peters, Remington and Winchester ammunition ads talk about "more" or "unlimited" quantities of .22s being available when peace comes at the end of the war. Remington's December 1945 advertisement mentions that target shooters have been waiting for Remington target rifles and match ammunition.

I don't know about centerfire ammo availability but it seems that plant guards and police were encouraged to use club ranges for training.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-31-2020, 12:37 AM
usmc2427765's Avatar
usmc2427765 usmc2427765 is online now
US Veteran
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: texas
Posts: 1,261
Likes: 6,642
Liked 4,112 Times in 895 Posts
Default

There was heavy "black market" activity on ammo during WW 2. I had a draft dodging uncle that would complain because he had to pay $ 6.00 for a partial box of Peters 12 ga ammo to go duck hunting while all of his brothers and brother-in-laws had all of the free ammo they wanted in places like Anzio, Normandy, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima and other scenic locals.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 10-31-2020, 08:56 AM
BigMuddy BigMuddy is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Linn Creek MO
Posts: 416
Likes: 536
Liked 518 Times in 225 Posts
Default

My father in laws Dad bought him a Winchester Model 62a pump .22 on December 8, 1941. He knew that guns and ammunition would be hard to come by, and he was correct. He and my father both told of .22 ammo being available but rationed.

My FIL gave that Winchester to my wife and I before he passed. It was by far his favorite gun and he said he knew we would take care of it. Its still an amazing shooter and hopefully will remain in our family.

Dan

Last edited by BigMuddy; 10-31-2020 at 08:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 10-31-2020, 10:16 AM
jimmyj's Avatar
jimmyj jimmyj is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: May 2003
Location: DUNNELLON, FLORIDA USA
Posts: 9,956
Likes: 1,468
Liked 12,729 Times in 3,489 Posts
Default

ammo was used for "Barter" in my area during WWII
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-31-2020, 12:00 PM
kaaskop49 kaaskop49 is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Demon-class planet
Posts: 6,384
Likes: 24,193
Liked 6,878 Times in 3,149 Posts
Default

I've read, and I don't remember where, that farmers during WWII were able to buy 3 calibers: .22LR, .30-30, and 12 gauge. These were looked upon as "using" calibers, as being necessary for the war effort. I don't remember anything more; I feel certain that these would have been rationed (coupons, perhaps?) as was much else in the U.S. during the war.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 10-31-2020, 12:21 PM
kwill1911's Avatar
kwill1911 kwill1911 is offline
SWCA Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Waterloo, TX
Posts: 1,903
Likes: 537
Liked 2,810 Times in 778 Posts
Default

Any caliber was permissible as long as they did not exceed the allowed quantity.
__________________
Kevin Williams SWCA1649 HF208
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 10-31-2020, 12:29 PM
kaaskop49 kaaskop49 is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Demon-class planet
Posts: 6,384
Likes: 24,193
Liked 6,878 Times in 3,149 Posts
Default attn kwill1911

Fascinating! Thanks for the photo of an actual document that illustrates the issue. And thanks for the backup! Be safe.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #12  
Old 10-31-2020, 02:59 PM
swsig's Avatar
swsig swsig is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 2,456
Likes: 4,363
Liked 5,651 Times in 1,724 Posts
Default

Goodness Gracious. Let's keep the idea of government-controlled ammo rationing to ourselves, OK?
__________________
What, me worry?
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 11-01-2020, 08:04 AM
Sgt911 Sgt911 is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 401
Likes: 486
Liked 483 Times in 197 Posts
Default

Organizations & Clubs – History In New Braunfels
First picture and paragraph. Civil war though, thought it was interesting
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-01-2020, 10:00 AM
JH1951's Avatar
JH1951 JH1951 is online now
US Veteran
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: South-Central PA
Posts: 2,790
Likes: 12,730
Liked 3,800 Times in 1,346 Posts
Default

Metal supply during WWII was critically short, and almost anything 'consumable' made of metal was rationed to some degree. Examples: toothpaste (which some of us will recall came in metal tubes) - you had to turn in an empty tube to get a new one. And typewriter (remember them?) ribbons, which came on metal reels in metal containers called 'tins', same thing, had to turn in used ones to get new ones. As for ammo, I recall hearing that there were restrictions based upon 'need' as defined by Uncle Sam. As we all realize, when restrictions on availability are imposed, a black market is instantly created.
And as a side note, consider how many old 'Pennsylvania rifles' were melted down during the massive war effort drives for scrap metal.....
These were times that only our parents and grandparents actually experienced as adults, and first-hand knowledge is lacking.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 11-15-2020, 08:54 AM
BigBill BigBill is online now
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: america
Posts: 12,762
Likes: 1,771
Liked 11,791 Times in 4,932 Posts
Default

I come from a family of hunters they were all serving during the war. They are all passed on now no one to talk about it. Years ago the rural areas were called the sticks, or boonies, no one lived that far away so they hunted there.

My grandfather could get you anything during the war with the black mareket, the stories are he fed most of the neighborhood.

Years ago one of the neighbors he helped out had a lunch truck business. My mom told me to tell him who I was. He gave me a free breakfast. Funny the old timers never forget.
__________________
Plant garlic in the fall

Last edited by BigBill; 11-15-2020 at 08:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #16  
Old 11-15-2020, 07:58 PM
Truckman's Avatar
Truckman Truckman is offline
Member
WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II? WW II?  
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Conroe Texas...
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Liked 287 Times in 88 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by max View Post
I wasn't born until after my dad got home from the war.
Me either...In my case 9 months and 10 minutes after......Ben
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:16 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)