Got a e-mail ad from CDNN today. They are putting case lots of ammo on Gunbroker.  Gotta admit, that's pretty smart. Make maximum profit and the customer sets the price.  Nobody can accuse them of price gouging.  Starting bids are $.01. Yet the offered cases of 5.56 & 7.62X51 ball ammo are already up to just over a $1 per round. 9mm115 fMJ & .45acp 230 FMJ ammo are just passing $.80 per round with several hours yet to go.  I'll try to remember to check back after the auctions end and see what they end up going for in these crazy times. 

Reminds me of Mr Duvall Scott.

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Desperation breeds stupidity.

Everybody should be happy, what a great idea.

In the past few months I have been considering the addition of a .357 Sig barrel for my Sig P229 .40 S&W, a drop-in option requiring no other parts, and a factory new barrel can be had for about $120. Interesting.

I have watched GB and other sources for ammo, brass, etc. Range ammo is selling at $1-plus per round. New brass is largely made of "unobtainium". Once-fired brass can be had, but only at premium prices. The .357 Sig requires bullets of specific profiles; essentially 9mm but the typical designs do not provide optimum performance in the .357 Sig due to case neck and chamber dimensions.

So a simple and relatively inexpensive addition to my Sig pistol, at this point in time, jumps from a $120 barrel to several hundreds in ammo, brass, bullets (or mold), dies, and all the accoutrements.

Gotta pass for now. Plenty of .40 on hand, plenty of 9mm, plenty of .45, plenty of .44, probably a little more "plenty" if I look around a bit.

I have found 9 fmj for 14.99 a box of 50 and also 45acp when found is around 23.99 maybe 25. I did see a big store with 5.56 in 400 rd cans for the price of like 259 . The gun shops are very low and I do see the high prices in my travels . Just have to look .

This Christmas morning, I saw a guy at another Forum saying that he got an email advertising 9mm ammo in stock. He said: "At $1 a pop, it was not bad" (slight paraphrase). God help us all.
IMHO of course,
J.

If'n I knew things would get back to normal ($269/K .223, $169/K 9mm) I would sell all I have at today's prices. Unfortunately, there's a 50/50 chance that things will get worse for a few years, maybe forever. Folks been saying for years "Someday ammo will be the new currency." Indeed. Joe

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You can’t believe the flak I was getting at the local shows selling 9mm for .55 cents a round. They could not walk by it and my profit margin was so low I didn’t want to tote it in from the truck. Felt bad but I was stuck in the middle. I told the complainers I considered it a public service which ticked off the dealers around me that had no ammo at all.

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FWIW, yesterday at Sportsman’s Warehouse I reluctantly paid $.48 per round for Federal brass FMJ 45acp, $32 per 1000 for Federal LPP and $34 per 1000 for Federal Match LRP. I just missed snagging some SRP

I am in pretty good shape on ammo and components so I don’t have to cave for those items at the much crazier gun show or auction prices; I just grab a box, brick or pound when I find a decent deal. That said, I would sure like to find some 300AAC brass. If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

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I've put my 9mm and .380 boxes in storage. Bought a M&P 22C, and now am able to again frequent the range. Read an interesting article that pointed to not only politics/panic, but also world wide (but mostly China) shortage of lead - due to lead mine closure and primer manufacturing (in China). Yes, the good old days of blasting off 200+ rounds at the range during a single session may well be a fond memory for the foreseeable future.

Starline for 300 brass.

Once prices increase and stabilize, it seems illogical to expect them to magically return to “normal.”

Most of us shotgunners can easily remember when lead shot was somewhere around $11-$13 a bag. When it jumped to about $19, I heard a lot of guys say they were selling their guns and loading equipment - they were done with shooting until prices “returned to normal.” Well, now here we are with 209 primers well over $0.03 each, and shot in area of $45 per bag. A lot of 12 and 20 gauge shooters don’t bother with reloading. They can’t really save much money over buying factory inexpensive target ammunition, which, by the way, is pretty darned good quality these days. (Quite a bit of it imported from Europe.)

I don’t expect to see prices to go back to “normal” on much of anything to do with firearms. Hope I’m wrong.

Guy who posts over here on this forum, Classic12, also posts on other boards. I saw his stuff from the other day on TFL, he was saying ammo is basically normal in Switzerland ($200 per 1000, for S&B, GECO, WWB).

My thoughts are that either the 'shortages in production' haven't hit their stock overseas yet, or we're just being upcharged because too many are willing to pay 3-4x what they should, and the companies are loving it.

Ammo will get you thru times of no money better than money will get you thru times of ammo.
To paraphrase the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

Of course. This is precisely what is going on. If you’re not willing to play that silly game, vote with your pocketbook. Don’t buy.

Because of bidding wars I don't even try anymore to bid. I look at bin price if I like something. When I have sold on GB I do true no reserve bids. I only had one item go for less than I thought it should, the others were way over.

Yes, but do not discount the power of the free market. If there are only one or two ammo manufacturers, then yes, the can set a very high price and get that price. When there are multiple manufacturers, they will ultimately drop their prices as low as they can in order to compete for your business.

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WE control 50% of the supply/demand equation....
DON'T BUY

I'll quit shooting (after 70 years) before I will support the market.

IMHO of course,
J.

I dont see ammo EVER getting back to pre-2020 riot prices. 9mm won't ever again be less than $15/box. Let's all hope im wrong.

If you REALLY want to see prices go back down.......

DON'T BUY......period.

Unfortunately, there are few who are disciplined enough to stay home and wait'em out.

IMHO of course,
J.

It could also be that the Swiss use only a tiny fraction of the ammo that is purchased in the US so their much lower demand hasn't impacted their supply prices yet. At only 8.6 million people we have more than a few cities and many counties larger than they are. I'm sure we could all deal with a reasonable increase in price due to shortages of raw materials, but our panic buying/hoarding have really thrown a monkey wrench into the works.

FWIW, I don't see ammo or components being imported in a year.

I see regulations being changed.

I know that's a popular concern, but don't underestimate the amount of money that changes hands, and the politics that goes on to protect that money.

I have been lucky getting most of what I want somewhat locally. I reload for some but, am starting to do more reloading so that I don't have to rely on GB for crazy ammo prices.

In a vacuum, maybe...

But let's also consider- if the Swiss have a tiny fraction of shooters compared to the US, then the sellers over there aren't going to stock up beyond their expected market.

Just for fun, I went ahead and checked some Canadian prices, they can get Blazer Brass for 12 USD a box, 240 USD a case. Plenty of stock there. Too bad we can't ship any...

Covid shutdown was earlier this year, new shipment issues should be hitting them now (or soon).
We're not feeling covid shortage, we're feeling massive panic buy shortage (and resulting opportunistic response from somewhere in the supply chain).

If people calm down and let the market recover, prices will go down. PPU isn't going to let Federal monopolize the market, for example, so expect to see some competing lower prices once things level out.

Just wondering how the weird calibers are doing: 300WSM, 270 WSM, The SAUM's, the RUM's, the SSM's?

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