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Not sure if this the right place to converse about ammo. I recently came across this box and found it very interesting. Wanted to see what any of you had to say. Anyone have any ammo similar to this? Does it have collector value? I'm sure a surplus might be more appropriate for this question, I just didn't feel like registering for a new forum tonight.

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I have heard of it, never actually seen any.
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I have heard of it, never actually seen any.
I was in the same boat as you until today. I had also heard of brass cased .410 and seen pictures but never any in person.

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Some thing like this.
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If I recall correctly the U S Army used brass shotshells right up until Vietnam, but I could be wrong about that. A teeny bit before my time. My dad was an MP during WW II and more than once remarked they fired brass shells during regular familiarization courses with their Winchester M97.
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Yes, these were used to prevent the problem of paper hulls swelling in humid environments and causing malfunctions. The new plastic hulls prevented that problem. I would consider them collectible, particularly in a full box in the condition that's in. I have never seen a box and only ran across a couple of the live rounds in the estate of an elderly gunsmith.
I feel sure a collector would want them, and they deserve to be preserved. There are ammo collector sites and you may get some idea of a fair price on them. What is rare to us normal folk may not be so rare
to people who spend their lives dabbling in that field... but I wouldn't waste them. They aren't making any more like that, and it's a piece of history. Good find!
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:06 AM
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Yes, these were used to prevent the problem of paper hulls swelling in humid environments and causing malfunctions. The new plastic hulls prevented that problem. I would consider them collectible, particularly in a full box in the condition that's in. I have never seen a box and only ran across a couple of the live rounds in the estate of an elderly gunsmith.
I feel sure a collector would want them, and they deserve to be preserved. There are ammo collector sites and you may get some idea of a fair price on them. What is rare to us normal folk may not be so rare
to people who spend their lives dabbling in that field... but I wouldn't waste them. They aren't making any more like that, and it's a piece of history. Good find!
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Thanks that seems to align with my thoughts as well. I have no intention of shooting them. I plan to keep the box full and intact! I'm not an ammo collector but this was interesting to me and I wanted to make sure some random person didn't pick them up and run them through their shotgun at the range cause they couldnt find anything else!

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you need something like this to display them with, Winchester M-12 trench gun including 1917 bayonet.
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I don’t have any live shotshells but I have fired cases and the tools to reload them. It is done with handtools so it is a low production task. It involves using card wads and glue. I got the brass cases when I was active in Cowboy Action Shooting. I never have got around to reloading them. One of those things that seem like fun but never had the time to do.
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If I recall correctly the U S Army used brass shotshells right up until Vietnam, but I could be wrong about that. A teeny bit before my time. My dad was an MP during WW II and more than once remarked they fired brass shells during regular familiarization courses with their Winchester M97.
You are right ! Paper shells couldn't be waterproofed well enough ...moisture always caused the paper to swell and not chamber .
Remember this was pre plastic and you know the army ...if something works (brass) they keep on using it .
The plastic shells finally proved their worth after the makers perfected the plastic making process and enough years of duck hunters using them proved plastic were waterproof and wouldn't swell ... but it took a while !
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you need something like this to display them with, Winchester M-12 trench gun including 1917 bayonet.
I would be very willing to own an M12 or 1897! You don't have to twist my arm! It would fit in with my WWII collection nicely!

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I would be very willing to own an M12 or 1897! You don't have to twist my arm! It would fit in with my WWII collection nicely!

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Now you have the perfect reason to go get one!
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Yes, there is a definite collectors value to the shells and the box. Keep them together. The shells usually sell for 5-8 bucks a piece, depending on the area you live in. More value as a box lot, say upwards of 50-75 bucks.

Also right about riot gun collectors being interested for their displays, both military and police, as police agencies also issued brass buck loads back in the day. I was issued brass buck back in the late 60's for Model 12 riot gun.

I am a shotshell collector, so have some knowledge on the subject. Hope this in good info for you!

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you don't need to buy a Winchester... there are other choices... the Stevens 520-30 is pretty cool... this one is a tribute shotgun I had made... to honor my uncle Vern... he had a real one
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At a gun show a few years ago. It was some combloc Buckshot. And the pellets were square. Some pretty nasty stuff!
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Yes, there is a definite collectors value to the shells and the box. Keep them together. The shells usually sell for 5-8 bucks a piece, depending on the area you live in. More value as a box lot, say upwards of 50-75 bucks.



Also right about riot gun collectors being interested for their displays, both military and police, as police agencies also issued brass buck loads back in the day. I was issued brass buck back in the late 60's for Model 12 riot gun.



I am a shotshell collector, so have some knowledge on the subject. Hope this in good info for you!



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This is great information. Thank you! So are you saying $50-$75 for the whole package? 10 shells and box?

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That is really cool. Thanx for sharing the pictures.
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I would be very willing to own an M12 or 1897! You don't have to twist my arm! It would fit in with my WWII collection nicely!

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That M12 isn't for sale they are just to difficult to come by in that condition and cost almost as much as some RMs.
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Interesting information. I have a sealed 25 round box of Winchester brass 12 gauge 00 buck military loads. It doesn't show a manufacture date just the lot # WRA 22038. Nope, not gonna shoot them, they reside on top of my safe to look at.
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50 to 75 bucks for the package is a fair price to ask. Put the price on the high side, you can always negotiate down.

Good luck, nice package!
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50 to 75 bucks for the package is a fair price to ask. Put the price on the high side, you can always negotiate down.

Good luck, nice package!
Thanks! It's not every day someone tells me that! Hahaha! Sorry couldn't help myself


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Great gun! And thanks for making me feel better about my messy workshop!
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Great gun! And thanks for making me feel better about my messy workshop!
Yep it is pretty cluttered.....
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