Has anyone seen these yet?

I received an email about them earlier today, and ordered two flats.

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Dave Brown
SWCA #3279

Other than the retro look, is there anything about them that is a better shell or 'buy' than any of the other offerings on the shelf?

I loaded Federal paper hulls for a lot of years and still have a sizeable box of them to use up. I've saved them for BP loads now. Most all of the plastic hulls melt and leave strings of plastic in the bore. The Remington black plastic hull being an acception.

The paper hulls always loaded and crimped very nicely. A bit slower to load with card and fibre wads I still use. But plastic wads work just as well w/ smokeless loads.
Not a lot of reloads /per hull. 3 tops w/ BP. add another w/ smokeless loads.
Most people don't trust them anyway past their orig firing for fear of the base wad coming loose and sticking in the bore.
Not a problem when using a single or SxS if you are in the habit of checking betw shots.

My first repeating shotgun was a Winchester M42 410. They handed that to me cause I was so small for my age. It came with a wooden case of Peters paper 2 1/2" skeet loads.
I have the wooden case yet but that's all.
Lots of missed targets, game & frustraton with that one! but I remember those blue paper shells.

I am unaware of these. Are paper cases going back into production? The main problem, at least for reloaders, was that paper cases generally had a fairly short reloading life, maybe 3-5 reloads (if you were lucky). The case mouths would get tattered and holes would burn through the sidewalls adjacent to the metal base. Maybe RP has redesigned the cases to eliminate such problems. Some paper cases (unless specially treated) would also swell if they got wet and could not be chambered. Federal continued to make paper cases somewhat after WW and RP had switched to all plastic. One reason was that some trap and skeet shooters greatly preferred using paper cases. But I don't know why. Back in the day, I reloaded thousands of paper cases, mainly Federal.

As previously mentioned, crumbling inside base wads was always a problem with RP cases. They were made out of something resembling compressed sawdust. Also at that time, the RP primers were of smaller diameter than the now-standard #209. Another mystery I never figured out.

I might try a box or two if I see them.

Old trap shooters loved the Federal paper hulls but I don't think they are made any more?

Lots of ATA shooters that did not reload, would cave in the crimp area with their thumb before tossing it...........

Blue.........
I do still have some plastic "Blue Magic" that I still load and place in the original boxs, along with the case they came in.

I have been asked for them a few times, when at the trap club.

So far as I know, Federal is still making paper hulls. I have quite a few flats of Federal Paper factory loads, and have reloaded many of these with no issues.

I also still load the Peters Blue Magics.

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Somewhat off topic, but back when I was an active clay shooter (over 30 years ago now), I discovered that Fiocci plastic cases just didn't wear out. I had several hundred in 12 Gauge which I reloaded dozens of times each. They were sort of a light purple color. They got dirty, but everything else seemed unaffected by use. Paper case lives didn't come anywhere close.

While I was a competition Skeet shooter(AAA) I used Federal Paper 12GA shells exclusivly.The shot pattern out of my Perazzi Mirage was better than others I tried.For some events they had to be ordered ahead and drop shipped to event locations since all 5 on my team used them.
In 20GA,28GA and 410 Bore AA were my prefered choice mostly because the hulls were the best for reloading and had a high resale price for the once fired hulls.

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I always liked a shot gun that's name started with...........

BT or ended with OF or ZZI.................

I had some free hulls for reloading but only loaded them one time since the wads were "Fiber" and did not want any floating down my barrel....
even though I always open the O/U and checked the bores.

The "Uni hull", the only way to fly.................

At $20.00 a box I'll let someone else shoot them.

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Before the shogun ending in azzi I shot a few ending in gton as in 1100 and 3200
They were not up to the task.
Krieghoff = pretty on the outside,junk on the inside.

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Oh, sorry...........
there is 2 FF's , in.... OFF.

Never owned one, just tried to beat those guys.......... !!

My fun skeet shotgun is my duck hunting 931 Gasser.......
only bad thing is the hulls end up on the deck !!

Had no idea they still produced paper hull shells. I shot a few of them when I was a kid I found around my grandfather's place. My dad let me shoot them up for practice out of a single shot 16 gauge. He was willing to let me burn them up because they were considered old compared to the new plastic Winchester super x shells he used.

If that's true, it's insane.

I remember that back in the tail end of Winchester's production of paper case shells in the approximate mid-60s period, their cases were terrible quality. You might get one reload out of them. That may have been the intent. As I remember, they did not yet use a plastic shot cup, but they did use a piece of thin plastic as a wrapper around the shot column. I used quite a number of them, mainly because they were fairly cheap, and a nearby discount store usually had them on sale, around $2/box as I remember.

Didn't know they were around either. Gotta get out more. Used to pick up paper hulls when I was a kid. That price is nuts if correct. Curtailed some Trap shooting after shells started going for $11-12 a box. Used to pay $6 or 7.

I have understood that reloading shotshells is becoming somewhat of a lost art because of the current prices of components are prohibitive. I have a lot of good shotshell reloading equipment, but since I quit shooting clays over 20 years ago, I haven't used it. But I still have enough shot and primers to load up maybe 1000 empty cases if I wanted to.

I have read that one real advantage paper-cased shotshells have is for use in extremely cold environments - Alaska, northhern Canada and Russia, Scandanavian countries, etc. Plastic cases will shatter upon firing, paper cases will not. But maybe the plastic has improved by now.

Switched to plastic many years ago, switching from brands like Peters Victor blue paper ammo to plastic Peters. Shot and reloaded Blue Magic hulls for years. No more wet ammo, swollen hulls, paper separating from brass base, crimps not holding without soaking the crimp in wax. No advantages to go back now.

Maybe they are more environmentally friendly?????

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Gary
SWCA 2515

On a crisp day out in the field, paper hulls smell better after they've been fired.

With all the emphasis on wokeness today, it is possible that being more environmentally friendly by eliminating plastic cases could be considered as a sales point. Some fast food places have changed to using paper straws for that reason.

After major skeet,trap and sporting clay events there are thousands of plastic hulls left on the ground by the competitors.
This is not a new disposal problem.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Win is getting this paper hulled ammo all made up from some overseas maker like Cheddite.
Or at least the paper hulls supplied colored and w/printed graphics.

There was some rumblings around the shotshell reloadering bunch that Winchester was going to be the exclusive US distributor of Cheddite's shotshell primers, which right now are about the least expensive around,,and the only ones around in most areas.
Rumor is just that and nothing more.
But as far as those paper hulls go,,,like anything else in industry they usually buy it if they can instead of making it

$20/box is pricey nostalgia IMO.
I reload mine so I pick up the empties and a lot of other peoples too.
But it's shameful to see the emptys on the ground on some courses right next to the trash bbl for same. Sometimes empty shell boxes too.
Too much effort I guess.

These are Federal paper shells made with blue paper. Nothing more, nothing less. Vista runs the show for both Federal and Remington now.

The problem with reloading trap shells is when................

Bags of lead went up to $42 back in 2006 !!

I have lots of 12 Ga. ammo by the cases & flats............
I have not checked reloading prices in seven years.

Too many hulls,wads, primers & powders on hand to worry about it.

I feel sorry for those that need shot gun shells, at this time.
It is a great sport or field fun................ hope you all, hang in there.

I bought a case of them and they are the same as the Federal Gold medal paper hulls with the exception of the head stamp and blue paper hull. They are only available on the website. I have quite a collection of older Winchester and Western paper shotgun shells from the 50' and 60's so these will fit right in.

The only paper hulled shells I shoot these days are the boxes that were left to me by my Dad. They are the real deal from the 50's and 60's - not repro's. They work just fine however I would not set out to spend 2, 3 or 4 times a box more unless I was still a competitor. For the sporting clays or skeet & trap just about any of the Federal, Remington or Winchester "promo" ammo works just fine and for bird hunting I'll use up the vintage paper hulled high brass up before buying new plastic hulled high brass hunting loads. In a few finicky auto-loadersI have, I'll use Winchester AA, but when I am shooting just for fun at clays, any of the cheap rounds works for me.

That said, I do get a kick out of answering some of my friends when they ask me why I use 70 year old paper hulled ammo for hunting ........ my response is because it works just fine and I have it! lol. I have NEVER had any vintage ammo fail!

I still have around 5 boxes of Sears 12 gauge shotshells with paper cases which I bought back in the late 1960s when Sears stopped selling ammunition. As I remember, they were closing them out at $1.50 per box, and I bought all I could get, which was several cases. #6 shot, but they worked OK for Trap. I am fairly certain they were made by Federal. Did the same for .22 ammo, but all the local Sears store had was .22 Short and I believe I have three bricks. I keep them mainly as collectibles, but I suppose I could make a pretty good profit by selling them today. I also have a few boxes of 20 gauge paper case shells I bought from Montgomery Wards long ago, probably also made by Federal. Back then, Federal was probably the largest (and maybe the only) player in making house-branded ammunition for the large chain stores.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the new Blue Peters paper shells were being made by Federal since the takeover.

I still have a few boxes of Federal Champion and a few more White Gold stashed. I used to enjoy the aroma of freshly fired paper shells as much as freshly baked bread or sagebrush after rain. Haven't been able to smell anything since 97, so I will not be a buyer for the new Peters shells.

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Yes, I remember that the fired paper cased shells did have a distinctive aroma. No idea if it was the paper or something else. At the time, many paper cases were made using paraffin-impregnated paper, sort of like wax paper, and that may have been the reason.

Nothing like the smell of fired paper shells. The smell came from the combo of wax and powder burning. Always more Smoke from papers. Back when there were only paper shells I had a shell ironer. Made the crimp end stiff so you got more reloads When it got heated up it melted the impregnated wax...or you put a bit of paraffin on the ironer. When Winchester came out with the AA paper shell days were numbered, thankfully! I still have one of the shell ironers somewhere