Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Ammunition-Gunsmithing > Ammo

Notices

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-11-2009, 08:49 PM
GatorFarmer GatorFarmer is offline
Junior Member
Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum  
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sheridan, Wyoming
Posts: 5,333
Likes: 159
Liked 3,889 Times in 1,361 Posts
Default

Failing to trade into a 5.7mm FN pistol made me pause and think. If a roughly .22 caliber and relatively light bullet at over 2000fps is said to be "something" worth playing with, why not just go with with a 200 grain .45 caliber bullet at 2300fps or so? Pretty big, decent weight, and pretty fast.

Thus I'm picking up an 8 3/8" .460 S&W next week. (You let me worry about how to carry it, I'll figure something out...)

I was intrigued by something that uses redline max .45 Colt or .454 offerings as a *subload*.

The mandatory Youtube videos of various and sundry objects exploding when hit - my favorite being a chicken - further convinced me that this might be useful. For what, I'm not sure, but probably something.

What should I know about this new toy, other than that I ought wear double ear protection? Does it shine best with heavy bullets or light ones? Can very light for caliber (165 or 185 gr) .45 bullets be loaded into it at even higher velocities than the 200gr offerings?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-11-2009, 08:49 PM
GatorFarmer GatorFarmer is offline
Junior Member
Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum  
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sheridan, Wyoming
Posts: 5,333
Likes: 159
Liked 3,889 Times in 1,361 Posts
Default

Failing to trade into a 5.7mm FN pistol made me pause and think. If a roughly .22 caliber and relatively light bullet at over 2000fps is said to be "something" worth playing with, why not just go with with a 200 grain .45 caliber bullet at 2300fps or so? Pretty big, decent weight, and pretty fast.

Thus I'm picking up an 8 3/8" .460 S&W next week. (You let me worry about how to carry it, I'll figure something out...)

I was intrigued by something that uses redline max .45 Colt or .454 offerings as a *subload*.

The mandatory Youtube videos of various and sundry objects exploding when hit - my favorite being a chicken - further convinced me that this might be useful. For what, I'm not sure, but probably something.

What should I know about this new toy, other than that I ought wear double ear protection? Does it shine best with heavy bullets or light ones? Can very light for caliber (165 or 185 gr) .45 bullets be loaded into it at even higher velocities than the 200gr offerings?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-11-2009, 10:15 PM
flop-shank flop-shank is offline
US Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Rust Belt Buckle/Mich
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
Thus I'm picking up an 8 3/8" .460 S&W next week. (You let me worry about how to carry it, I'll figure something out...)
I'm thinking that the "something" will involve wheels......
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-12-2009, 09:46 AM
84CJ's Avatar
84CJ 84CJ is offline
US Veteran
Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum  
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 1,022
Likes: 1
Liked 23 Times in 11 Posts
Default

I have a 7.5 and it shoots the 200 grain Hornady like a dream. Way off with 45LC and 454.

I think this pistol was rifled and developed for the 2oogr Hornady if you are shooting store bought ammo. The 45 LC ist like a 22 rimfire in this thing.

Things tend to explod when struck by the Hornady 200 gr. It's awsome and loud. Lots of felt concussion. It will turn heads.
__________________
SC Army National Guard
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-12-2009, 10:02 AM
84CJ's Avatar
84CJ 84CJ is offline
US Veteran
Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum  
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 1,022
Likes: 1
Liked 23 Times in 11 Posts
Default

May as well offer up some eye candy.
__________________
SC Army National Guard
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-12-2009, 07:35 PM
buck460XVR buck460XVR is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: \'ell if I know
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Liked 476 Times in 279 Posts
Default

My PC .460 likes my handloads with Lil' Gun and 240 and 300 grain XTP-Mags. It shot the factory 200 grain SSTs well also, but they are more like "varmit" rounds as they tend to blow up on the outside of deer at close range. They also were too expensive to shoot at the quantity I enjoy shooting.

The gun is a hoot to shoot and is like taking a adrenaline shot everytime you pull the trigger. Again make damn sure you and everyone within 20 yards is wearing ear protection. The blast from the cylinder gap will also cut thru anything within 6 inches of it. This includes sand bags, shooting bench tops and fingers.


As far as carrying it, there's a reason they put sling swivels on 'em.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-13-2009, 12:25 PM
460v LAC du FLAMBEAU 460v LAC du FLAMBEAU is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northwoods, WISCONSIN
Posts: 401
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default

I like the Hornady 200 grain SST's as shown the best. MidwayUSA.com usually has the 20 pack for $27.99...good deal compared to same type ammo in S&W 500 "300 grain" SST's for $55 per 20/ct box.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-13-2009, 01:58 PM
duckloads duckloads is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Nicholasville, Kentucky
Posts: 903
Likes: 1
Liked 27 Times in 13 Posts
Default

Quote:
My PC .460 likes my handloads with Lil' Gun and 240 and 300 grain XTP-Mags.
Hey Buck' what type of rifleing is in that PC barrel?
Is it the same gain twist rifleing as in the XVR?

Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-13-2009, 02:26 PM
flop-shank flop-shank is offline
US Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Rust Belt Buckle/Mich
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Well Gator, I found the video where they shot the chicken. The conventional wisdom that handguns only poke holes is definately out the door with the .460. Actually, my 165 gr. JHP handload I use in my .44 magnum lacerates (or obliterates) tissue that the bullet never touches and it travels at 1656 fps./1005 fpe. At 2300 fps., a 200 gr. bullet should yield 2350 fpe.!!!! That's only about 450 fpe. short of what a full power foster slug gets from a 12 gauge. I actually wouldn't be surprised if 125 gr. .357s from barrels 4" or longer can lacerate tissue that the bullet never touches too. I'm curious where the threshold of that type of performance begins.

Anyway, it's nice to see others pursueing the concept of "handguns with an identity crisis" as carry weapons. Keep us posted as to what you learn about different munitions for the .460, their performance, what you decide on as a carry load, as well as how you manage to haul the thing around.

You really might want to reconsider that P-G thing if you're experimenting with lighter than 200 gr. bullets in that thing, as you will be entering territory as to which you very well might not find the answer to your questions, even with the power of the internet on your side. In my case, there was no 165 gr. .44 magnum data available, so I used 180 gr. data, but have never exceeded that data's max load. I was hoping to exceed 1000 fpe. from a carry gun and managed to exceed my goal by 5 fpe. with a max load. I knew it would be close. Once I chronoed the load and saw that I had the energy I wanted, I shot bare and clothed P-G. Pleased with those results (12 1/2" each time), I then shot a couple woodchucks which gave me further confirmation that I would get the performance I wanted when flesh and bone were involved.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-15-2009, 09:03 AM
ohiococonut's Avatar
ohiococonut ohiococonut is offline
Member
Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum  
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Central, Ohio
Posts: 392
Likes: 12
Liked 17 Times in 13 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
Can very light for caliber (165 or 185 gr) .45 bullets be loaded into it at even higher velocities than the 200gr offerings?
No. Because of the velocities the bullet construction won't allow it, the jackets are too thin. When you're pushing 460 velocities it's recommended that only Hornady "mag" bullets, Nosler HG Partitions, or Barnes be used. There may be others but they are few and far between.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-15-2009, 01:31 PM
flop-shank flop-shank is offline
US Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Rust Belt Buckle/Mich
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by ohiococonut:
Quote:
Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
Can very light for caliber (165 or 185 gr) .45 bullets be loaded into it at even higher velocities than the 200gr offerings?
No. Because of the velocities the bullet construction won't allow it, the jackets are too thin. When you're pushing 460 velocities it's recommended that only Hornady "mag" bullets, Nosler HG Partitions, or Barnes be used. There may be others but they are few and far between.
That's the type of problem I ran into with the .44 magnum. There are useable 180 gr. bullets, but the only lighter bullet I know of that is ideal for self defense is the Sierra 165 gr. JHP. As luck would have it, it's pretty close to perfect for what I wanted to do.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-15-2009, 07:08 PM
GatorFarmer GatorFarmer is offline
Junior Member
Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum Tell me about the .460 S&W Magnum  
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sheridan, Wyoming
Posts: 5,333
Likes: 159
Liked 3,889 Times in 1,361 Posts
Default

Looks like it is going to be for naught. Much like my near run with the 5.7, an secondary part of the trade fell through involving a Ruger GB. Looks like I'll probably be getting an AN PVS 14 ITT Gen 3 Night Vision scope instead. I don't know what I'm going to do with that either. See what actually lives by the dumpster I suppose.

Just as well. I suppose I'll wait and try to get a .460 or .500 in either the 5" format or snubby "Bear Gun" kit instead.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
44 magnum, colt, hornady, nosler, rimfire, ruger, scope, snubby


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Light 357 Magnum handload in 38 Speciall brass for 357 Magnum revolver? Naphtali Reloading 18 03-09-2016 07:58 AM
[SOLD] Lew Horton S&W Model 27 Performance Center .357 Magnum !!! (Registered Magnum) twogunjay GUNS - For Sale or Trade 6 08-01-2010 09:06 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:16 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)