Don't feel bad, they don't listen to me either.

I would never try and dictate what or how many you or anyone else carries. If you want to walk around with an M60 and a couple of belts of ammo, go for it. This is a post about how a new gun and caliber fits into the concealed carry world. I'm just expressing my opinion based on my experiences. Please don't turn it into a political issue. That's really not the topic here.

Seems like an answer/soultion to a question never asked....

What is the point? Existing caliber ammo is still scarce, why add another caliber that can't be had to the mix.

It runs at very high pressure, which is not a good thing in my opinion. It is a little better than a .32 acp in terms of weight at it's velocity but my guess is that as a self defense round in what you are apt to carry and use, it makes very little difference. You will need a more substantial gun to contain that pressure with a good safety margin. So much for light weight in a little concealable pocket gun. I will not be buying one.

It also will rely on two things, availability of guns and cost of ammo. I don't care it is the geez with atomic bullet, if you can't find it.

Recall the great .380 shortage from a few years ago?? My best friend bought a Ruger LCP from Sportsman warehouse and the sells man was really apologetic about having no bullets for it!

S&W needs now to offer a swap kit for everyone who has a shield, another barrel and magazine and shazam it works!! Oh, only if the extractor can grab it??

Not sure about that, but I would guess it could.

Sounds like someone in upper management at Federal has been leaning on the Sales and Marketing department heads to come up with SOMETHING new for their 2022 lineup if they want to keep their jobs.

I think they would be better off to focus on getting their existing lineup back on dealer’s shelves instead of diverting limited resources and time to new product lines.

Was watching a vid put out by Guns and Ammo. Apparently Remington and Speer are also on board, probably because they are all under the same umbrella

Federal HST, 100 gr at 1200 fps, Speer Gold Dots 115 gr at 1095, and Remington 100 gr JHP at 1230 fps. Also basic FMJ loads from all three brands.

When I first read this thread I thought the new round was simply a modern take on the 30 Mauser or Luger… including the case that shared a base and rim size with the 9mm. If for no other reason than that it would be interesting to have a smaller caliber, high performance round to use in pistols designed for the 9mm platform, I was interested.

Introducing a whole new cartridge family, unlike anything else on the market immediately raises a red flag though. No existing pistols are really likely to be readily adapted to it. Ammunition supplies, already tight for existing calibers, may cause the public to hesitate at the thought of buying what may well become a starving orphan. While some people will buy the next shiny thing they see, planking down a big sum from my dwindling money supply to buy a plastic fantastic doesn’t thrill this old fogey.

OTOH, that Federal HST bullet, already proven in the 327 Fed Mag round for revolvers, is pretty attractive, so if issues with ongoing ammo supply and questions about performance of the pistols themselves can be addressed satisfactorily, well… we’ll see. I’m going to sit back and wait.

Froggie

Has there been any discussion/explanation as to why they didn't call it the 32 Super or 32 'Something'?

My guess would be marketing. Most shooters associate 32 with weak handgun rounds.

30 Super Carry is a Vista Outdoor fantasy island dream:

1) No brass, no primers and no suitable bullets available
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2) Factory practice ammo @ $40/50 and defensive rounds @ $30/20
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3) Even higher record profits (their last reported quarter profits increased over 400%)

The Vista Outdoor Way: Stop taking orders for primers, which kills handloading. Stiff the LGS by selling most of their production either to big box retailers or direct to consumer (at full retail). Restrict production of standard calibres to keep demand high (haven't seen a round of .38 Spl, .357 Mag, .44 Spl, .44 Mag or .45 Colt at the LGS in almost a year). Introduce new cartridges for which there is only their own factory ammo. Use the record profits to buy new product line companies, not invest in more capacity.

They're no longer an ammunition company. Just a big corporation that happens to make ammunition, and is a near monopoly. There's a couple of articles out there describing the situation, and Vista Outdoors strategy to maximize investor profit. Guess what? It doesn't include satisfying the demand for ammo.

Wow! A 30 SUPER. 100gr bullet @ 1250fps. Almost as HOT as a 30 Mauser.

93gr bullet @ 1450fps first introduced in 1896 or the 7.62 Tokarev from the

1920s. 85gr bullet @1550 fps

I just learned of this round last night.

If I had a Shield (or something similar) I would not trade it for a mere 2 round capacity increase. At some point we have to ask “at what point is my handgun good enough?”. For me and my situation 10-12 rounds in a compact handgun is sufficient for my needs. Anything more is overkill. YMMV!

Some in the shooting community would question the effectiveness of the .380 as an acceptable self-defense caliber. Not me.

The potential benefit I see from the.30 SC is for those who are recoil sensitive (age, arthritis, women). Taking a smaller round and bumping it up to 9mm performance levels without the recoil of the 9mm would have many advantages to an entire group of shooters. It’s something that I would like to try. Am I going to sell all of my guns and switch to it? No. But it is something certainly worth keeping an eye on.

It would be interesting to see if any manufacturers will chamber a revolver in this round with moon clips and what the capacity would be in a revolver.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see someone run with your revolver/moon clips idea. But, then again, to what real purpose? Doesn't the .32 H&R Magnum almost equal and the .327 Federal Magnum exceed what the .30 Super Carry could deliver in a revolver?

You can tell people at the range it’s not a 9mm or 380. It’s a SUPERCARRY. After that you are on your own to explain further.

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Some say its to expand the number of rounds in the mag. Ok, maybe one round? PASS.

I'd like them to make existing ammo and especially primers. Why they need to divert resources to a new pistol round is beyond me. In a few years it will join the 45 GAP.

If the .32 H&R Mag is so great, why the .327 Mag? I’m not well versed on the .327, but I have heard that it is a very LOUD round. It it is only chambered in revolvers. Makes me wonder what kind of sound the 30SC makes.

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You would probably gain 1 round in small revolvers, same as going from 38 to 32 H&R.

Depending on the exact dimensions of the cartridge it might even be possible to use 30 Super in 327 Federal revolvers with moon clips. I have seen the pressure limit for 30 Super listed as 50,000, "near 50,000" and 45,000. The pressure limit for 327 is 45,000 PSI. And they both use .312 bullets. The 30 Super would be about halfway between 32 H&R and 327 Federal in terms of power. And probably muzzle blast. The 327 may have the same peak pressure but can maintain that pressure longer due to its longer case and greater powder capacity.

But Federal might have added some taper so the 30 is wider at the back end or otherwise changed the dimensions just to make sure you cannot use 30 Super in an existing revolver. Putting it into a 327 cylinder designed to handle 45,000 would be fine.

Dropping it into a 32 H&R cylinder designed for 21,000 PSI or even worse a 32 S&W long cylinder designed for 12,000 PSI could be a disaster. And the 30 Super case would be short enough to fit both.

I have often wondered the same thing. The .38 ACP (direct ancestor of the .38 Super) pre-dates the 9x19mm, and is clearly its ballistic superior. The only significant dimensional difference is that the case is 4mm longer. So why didn't the .38 Super keep its lead over the 9x19?

The 38 Super is a semi-rimmed cartridge, hence it has difficulty in double stack magazines without diddleing around with it. That's why the 9mm has taken off and the 38 Super has watched from the sidelines. All things being equal, the 38 Super has a lot more potential than the 9mm. It's just that it is finicky with feeding from a double stack.

A S&W Model 32 sized revolver in six shot that uses moon clips would be nice in 30 Souper Carry. 32 ACP looks like it also could be fired with clips. A Scandium version would be super light. Might be able to set it up to use the other 32 cal cartridges too. A concealed hammer and 3 inch versions would also be nice. And a 4 inch Kit Gun version. 32 S&W to 327 Magnum. A person could pick the amount of recoil they wanted for the day. AND, a new chapter for S&W collectors!

What's not to like?

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The OVERALL LENGTH of the loaded round is close to 45 ACP length. This requires a grip frame the same size as 45.

9mm overall length is significantly shorter, allowing a smaller grip frame, and a comfortable grip to people of smaller stature. Which means more people find 9mm frames fit their hand then 38 Super frames.

Before I even entertain the idea of trying or buying this caliber I will have to see many different ammo companies and firearm manufacturers coming on board. The ammo will have to be reasonably priced and multiple choices of handguns available like the 9mm is and until that happens it's a hard no for me...pretty wishful thinking on my part I guess....

Amazing thing to me is , they can't supply the market that they already have but they think coming out with something new is a good idea. I'd be working on supplying current ammo and component demand rather than bringing out a new cartridge I won't be able to supply .

Buy a large stock of cartridges before you even think about buying anything to shoot them in .

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From an ammo company's point of view increasing demand is always a good idea. If you rest on your laurels when demand is high you get left behind when demand slows down. Increased demand means even higher prices. If demand suddenly falls off like it did in 2016 they would be kicking themselves for not establishing new products now.

This new round will have no real impact on how much 9mm, 223, etc, they are pumping out. Since nobody has a 30 Super it will not take a big run to make all the 30 people will need for the near future. A drop in the bucket if that.

It's not like they are pulling people off the manufacturing floor to design new rounds. If its like the companies I have worked for they have a separate design team. And the marketing folks might as well be working on ads for 30 Super, they don't need to beg people to buy 9mm right now.

[QUOTE=otis24;141361263 Taking a smaller round and bumping it up to 9mm performance levels without the recoil of the 9mm would have many advantages to an entire group of shooters..[/QUOTE]

In my first grade Physics class my teacher told me that if you have 9mm performance you will have 9mm recoil. I have not saw anything in 80 yrs. to convince me she was wrong. Larry

Yep - conservation of momentum in action.

Remember the .32NAA, didn't think so.

They need to change the name of this site to the Whining Old Fudd Forum. I never understood people who complain about more options. If you don't want something, don't buy it. Nothing is a bad idea just because you personally don't want it. For some people going from a 7+1 to a 9+1 or a 10+1 to a 12+1 with no increase in size might be appealing. If we can have 75 new 6.5 rifle calibers we can handle a new handgun cartridge...

Before I buy a new pistol chambered in 30 Super Carry ... I want to see affordable ammunition stacked on my 3 local dealers shelves .
What's the use of buying a new gun in a new chambering if you cant find or afford the ammo .
I got plenty of paper weights ...
Okay Federal ... Lets see some reasonably priced ammo filling the shelves ... I don't like paying all those shipping , handling and hazemat fees ,
Lets See The Goods !
Gary

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There is a difference between those who "complain about more options" (did anyone do that?) and those who make a comment about the clear redundancy of a new cartridge. Perhaps that's the reason you don't understand.

What clear redundancy? What other cartridge will offer the same ballistics and still fit 12 rounds into a 12 round .30 SC magazine? .30 caliber rounds like the Luger, Tovarev, or Mauser variety are all bottlenecked and won’t give the increased capacity this round was designed to provide.

Capacity doesn’t really matter to me, but it does to some.

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Capacity also seems an insignificant factor to me as well, so insignificant I didn't consider it. But as you mentioned, it probably matters to some.

Here is my cobbled together comparison between 30 Super Carry and .327 Fed magnum. I like the .327, not sure yet on the 30 Super carry.

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It will sell, at least for awhile. Then it won't and we'll see the next great idea come along...or another old idea revisited. I did enjoy the comments regarding the .284 Winchester. It suffered because a lack of proper platform. Originally built in leverguns and semi-autos, the die was cast before it ever had a chance. Much like this...it is just hard for me to get excited about another plastic gun regardless of chambering. But I'm old, what do I know?

It looks like the 30 SC case is .055 inches wider than the 327 Federal. I wonder if that will be enough to prevent it from being used in revolvers with moon clips.

The pressure spec for 327 Federal is close enough to the 50,000 PSI limit of 30 SC it would probably be fine. But the 30 SC is short enough that it could also fit into 32 H&R or worse yet 32 S&W long if it wasn't for the case being wider. That could be a disaster, 32 S&W Long has a pressure spec of 12,000 PSI.

Interesting. I welcome innovation and options. Hope that it does well. Wouldn't mind seeing a Glock 42-sized pistol by Smith in 30 Super Carry.

I'm not excited about it . I have zero use for it . That about sums it up for me .

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At this time when ammo is hard to find and very expensive why in the world are they coming up with a new caliber and making ammo that nobody really wanted anyway?

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You're whining and complaining about a cartridge you've yet to see or shoot. So yes you are complaining. Seems painfully obvious. It also appears you failed to notice you proved my entire point by your ridiculous post...

Relax, it's an opinion.

I certainly appreciate the diagram showing difference between the 327 and the super atomic carry bullet, it breaks my heart it won't fit in my 632's

The 30 Super Carry will run right with the 9mm, but offers some advantages. It generates between 10 and 20 percent less recoil, for one thing. And maybe more importantly, given magazines of the same size, it offers a higher capacity than the .380 Auto or 9mm Luger.