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Armscore 22LR Bolt Action Only ammo
Anybody know what's the story with this ammo?
They say it is suitable for revolvers, single-shots, bolt actions, and lever actions, but not semi-autos.
It is listed as 36gr high velocity hollow points.
So what is different about it?
Why is it "not recommended" for semi-autos?
Anybody know?
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Maybe it’s like CCI Quiet, slow and too weak to make a semi function?
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I’ve never heard of it or even seen it!
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Rimfire semi-autos are all of blowback operation and not locked breech. Because of design and manufacturing tolerances in the disconnectors of some of these, and when allowed to build up firing residue, they may actually fire a cartridge which is not fully chambered, resulting in cartridge case rupture with escaping high pressure gas. This is of little danger to the shooter, unless peering directly into the ejection port at the time. But, it does tie up the gun until cleared. Such out-of-battery firings cannot occur with a locked breech gun, such as in revolvers, single-shots, bolt actions, and lever actions. This ammunition should perform satisfactorily in those locked breech guns.
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Not .22 L.R. but did try their 22 magnum 40 grain H.P. in my Ruger rifle. Did not group nearly as well as my usual CCI rounds.
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1. at $2.50 a box of 50ea its probably very dirty ammo. if so, might not run very well in an autoloader.
2. its JHP a lot of rimfire autoloaders will not feed JHP's very well.
3. The webpage does not list the speed for the HV, it does have the SV for .22LR at 1125 which is a little fast for SV .22LR
it does say it meets SAAMI specs.
I think I would just get some CCI SV
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NONE of that armscor JUNK is fit for any of my .22's.....I wouldn't even use it in a hog killin rifle.
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Rimfire semi-autos are all of blowback operation and not locked breech. Because of design and manufacturing tolerances in the disconnectors of some of these, and when allowed to build up firing residue, they may actually fire a cartridge which is not fully chambered, resulting in cartridge case rupture with escaping high pressure gas. This is of little danger to the shooter, unless peering directly into the ejection port at the time. But, it does tie up the gun until cleared. Such out-of-battery firings cannot occur with a locked breech gun, such as in revolvers, single-shots, bolt actions, and lever actions. This ammunition should perform satisfactorily in those locked breech guns.
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So what are you saying is different about it that makes it more likely to fire out of battery? Dirtier? Dimensions that are too tight? Thinner brass?
I ask because I saw it advertised at 5 cents per round, whereas their "regular" 36gr High Velocity HP ammo was being advertised for 8 cents a round.
So my big question is' What's the difference between the two?
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Maybe it’s like CCI Quiet, slow and too weak to make a semi function?
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It is advertised as High Velocity - and as others have said, their Standard Velocity is a little on the hot side, so I don't think that's it...
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1. at $2.50 a box of 50ea its probably very dirty ammo. if so, might not run very well in an autoloader.
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I'm thinking this is probably why. It will gunk up an autoloader too fast and cause malfunctions.
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2. its JHP a lot of rimfire autoloaders will not feed JHP's very well.
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Their standard velocity 36gr HPs don't carry the Bolt Action only recommendation so I don't think that would be it.
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3. The webpage does not list the speed for the HV, it does have the SV for .22LR at 1125 which is a little fast for SV .22LR it does say it meets SAAMI specs.
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Yeah, being listed as HV I kinda doubt that it is too weak.
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I think I would just get some CCI SV
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I've got a couple of bolt action 22 rifles and four 22 revolvers to feed, so I'm tempted to give it a try.
I've never shot any of their 22 ammo, but I've tried their 44mag and it shot just fine.
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Sounds like inferior ammo for desperate times.
Plenty of 22 around , I have a good supply on hand.
Don’t see any reason to buy any of this stuff!
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All Armscore ammunition is subpar at best regardless of caliber, and calling their rimfire ammo 'junk' would be a compliment! That stuff is dirty, inaccurate and inconsistent....on a good day.
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All Armscore ammunition is subpar at best regardless of caliber, and calling their rimfire ammo 'junk' would be a compliment! That stuff is dirty, inaccurate and inconsistent....on a good day.
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Can you share some more details?
What calibers have you shot, through what guns, and compared to what other ammo? Have you tried the "bolt action only" loading specifically - or even their "regular" 22lr?
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NONE of that armscor JUNK is fit for any of my .22's.....I wouldn't even use it in a hog killin rifle.
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So you've tried it? Which varieties? What were the results?
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In their center fire ammo Armscor uses thick primers known to be the cause of light strikes in many handguns that have less than very heavy mainspring tension. Rimfire I can’t say but as already said there’s plenty of known good quality rimfire ammunition on the market.
If anyone wants to buy Armscor ammunition and can get a good price…buy it and save it for resale when there’s another buying panic and make a profit.
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Can you share some more details?
What calibers have you shot, through what guns, and compared to what other ammo? Have you tried the "bolt action only" loading specifically - or even their "regular" 22lr?
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No need to elaborate any further. 'All' means all. Either believe it or buy/try the stuff and draw your own conclusions. It's your money.
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No need to elaborate any further. 'All' means all. Either believe it or buy/try the stuff and draw your own conclusions. It's your money.
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As I said earlier, I've shot some of their 44mag cowboy loads and they were just fine - proving your "ALL" statement to be false (in my experience).
But thank you so much for your very strong but unsubstantiated blanket opinion statement.
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I've no experience with their rimfire ammo, but I have shot many rounds of Armscor 9mm, .380, .45ACP, .38 Special, and .223 without any issues.
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Yes. In my revolvers. Dirty and HARD to eject. STINKS too. Rounds had different sounds too. Indicating velocity swings. Was in a yellow box. Now long gone.
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Yes. In my revolvers. Dirty and HARD to eject. STINKS too. Rounds had different sounds too. Indicating velocity swings. Was in a yellow box. Now long gone.
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FINALLY, someone with some experience shooting Armscore 22LR (even if it wasn't the bolt action only variety), who is willing to give some specifics about their experience!
THANK YOU! That is the kind of info I'm looking for!
So, in summary, Armscore SV 22LR is dirty, stinky, inconsistent, and hard to eject.
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IMO just another way to sell "something new". IMHO stick with the standard velocity or sub sonic fodder - same deal and probably better ammo. Every so often some manufacturer does come up with something that is needed or desired and sticks around for a long while (ie: the Velocitor, super high velocity 22 ammo). In this case, I think not.
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A few years ago the local range was the site of "The Masters" put on by Guns magazine. Some of us helped running the shooting stations. I was on the .22 firing point with some friends keeping things going for the shooters. Initially we used CCI Mini mags. When we ran out of the two cases of CCI they were shooting, we switched. We switched to Armscor........it is/was the dirtiest ammo that I have ever seen. Seems like we scrubbed our hands for two days to get them clean!
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Maybe the 'Bolt action Only' ammo is heavily greased/lubed.
The outside lubed .22rf in that fashion will make a semiauto fail to feed/chamber quite often as the heavy lube builds up and stalls the chambering.
Bolt actions have no issue with it of course.
Most Match .22rf ammo was made that way in the not so distant past.
Pistol Match shooters used to wipe the extra lube from the loaded rounds with a slighty oily cloth/rag to remove the heavy factory lube but leave enough to prevent leading during shooting in their semiauto target guns.
Going back a ways with that,,but that's what comes to mind.
Seems crazy to make 'For Bolt action Only' ammo in todays market unless it is extreme high quality Target ammo.
But who knows what they have and are marketing.,,maybe it's just that. A marketing scheme to make people think it's something special for the Ninja Sniper types out there.
The ammo makers made a lot of money a few years back selling ammo boxed up as Zombie killing ammo.
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During one of the 22 lr shortages, bought a case of Armscor 22 lr Lhp's. They were higher velocity and thick coating on the bullets. Would gum up Ruger Mark II fairly quickly, and hard to clean after shooting in revolver. Decent accuracy, occasional misfire and filthy. At the time could not find any Armscor plated 22 lr. Still have a couple of bricks somewhere, but will only use it if i run out again.
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Bolt only in stock
Outdoor Limited is showing 99+ 5,000 round cases in stock. They’re $250 with free shipping.
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Not priced low enough for the dirty junk ammo it is, only good for the grandkids to waste.
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