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Old 01-14-2009, 10:43 AM
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Over the years I seem to have accumulated some fairly unusual revolver ammunition.

I am posting on this forum because it is my favorite. I hopt that is alright.

I thought I would post some pictures and invite you to share your STRANGE and unusual REVOLVER ammo.

45 a.c.p. 9m.m. and 40 S.& W. count because Smith builds revolvers in these calibers.

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First is a 44 S.& W, Russian with a U.S. stamp on the primer.I have no idea when this was made, anyone with an idea
please let me know.











Next is this strange 38 caliber blue plastic stuff.











Another strange 38 cal. round. Aluminum ,plastic ,with a strange copper projectile.











Super X 357 magnum metel piercing. Legal to own, but illegal to load into your gun.











Remington Kleanbore ,38 Special steel jacket , the oldest box of collectible ammo I own.















How about some 45 Colt MAGNUM +P ,, a 300 grain bullet moving at an advertised 1300 f.p.s.

NOT suitable for your model 25 or Colt S.A.A. ,,but nothing on the headstamp to indicate such!







Aguila (Mexico) 45a.c.p. 117 gr. hollow point. "The first intelligent Bullet" . What the heck does that mean?

I thought these were pretty interesting.







DO you have any odd or interesting ammunition?? Post a photo ,,let's talk about it.



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Over the years I seem to have accumulated some fairly unusual revolver ammunition.

I am posting on this forum because it is my favorite. I hopt that is alright.

I thought I would post some pictures and invite you to share your STRANGE and unusual REVOLVER ammo.

45 a.c.p. 9m.m. and 40 S.& W. count because Smith builds revolvers in these calibers.

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First is a 44 S.& W, Russian with a U.S. stamp on the primer.I have no idea when this was made, anyone with an idea
please let me know.











Next is this strange 38 caliber blue plastic stuff.











Another strange 38 cal. round. Aluminum ,plastic ,with a strange copper projectile.











Super X 357 magnum metel piercing. Legal to own, but illegal to load into your gun.











Remington Kleanbore ,38 Special steel jacket , the oldest box of collectible ammo I own.















How about some 45 Colt MAGNUM +P ,, a 300 grain bullet moving at an advertised 1300 f.p.s.

NOT suitable for your model 25 or Colt S.A.A. ,,but nothing on the headstamp to indicate such!







Aguila (Mexico) 45a.c.p. 117 gr. hollow point. "The first intelligent Bullet" . What the heck does that mean?

I thought these were pretty interesting.







DO you have any odd or interesting ammunition?? Post a photo ,,let's talk about it.



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Old 01-14-2009, 12:04 PM
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There was a thread a few months ago about the ammo in the last photo as I recall. Here is the thread

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6951070...641010403#8641010403
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The US stamp on the primer means that it was manufactured by the U.S. Cartridge Company.
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Anybody got any of the old .38 loads with 2 balls of 70 grain 000 buckshot? I saw some on an auction recently and thought that was neat.
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Anybody got any of the old .38 loads with 2 balls of 70 grain 000 buckshot? I saw some on an auction recently and thought that was neat.
it's from Remington. I carry this stuff in my alloy J frames. Very plesant to shoot - and you get 2 hits with each round.

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Old 01-14-2009, 01:53 PM
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The .357Mag metal piercing is not "illegal to have in your gun", at least not per federal law. A particular state may have a law against it though I would imagine they would prohibit possession all together and not just the use.

http://nucnews.net/2000/du/98du/981204du.laws.htm

"WHAT FEDERAL RESTRICTIONS ARE PLACED ON AP AMMO?
If you are NOT a (FFL) licensee under the Gun Control Act (an individual):

It is:

ok to OWN AP ammo
ok to SELL AP ammo
ok to BUY AP ammo
ok to SHOOT AP ammo
NOT ok to MAKE AP ammo (18 USC sec. 922(a)(7))
NOT ok to IMPORT AP ammo (18 USC sec. 922(a)(7))"
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Again ,I stand corrected. I had '"heard'" somewhere that it is.

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Neat stuff Al
I remember when the USAC stuff came out in (I think) the early 80's. They also had a hand held loading tool along with special bullets for reloading this ammo. I may still have one somewhere, but dont hold me to that.

I think I still have some of the PMC "Tubular" ammo somewhere. They made it in 38 and 44spl. It was a turned bronze bullet with a hole bored all the way through the center. There was a teflon plug in the base that dropped away when fired.
The lawyers got ahold of it due to the cookie cutter effect it had when you shot someone with it, and it was pulled from the market.

Incidentally, I have a whole S**tload of oddball ammo. If there is something you want or are looking for, email me and I'll see if I have it.
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The only unusual items that I have are some original 357 magnum cases with large primer pockets.

I also have a 45 colt case so headstamped that also is stamped "Hi-Yo REA Awaaaay". What's going on with that, I don't know????
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WOW.. Someone gave me a few rounds of the PMC bullets with the hole all the way through them.I showed them to several people and nobody had a clue what they were.Thanks for the great info.Leave it to Lawyers to come up with the idea that shooting someone with a certain type of bullet is worse than shooting them with another type.
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Combat, do they have a disk, like a gas check, at the base of the bullet?

Someone used to make a bullet that was pretty much a piece of copper tubing with a gas check that was supposed to come off on impact. It was supposed to cut a plug out of the victim but apparently didn't work as well as they wanted everyone to believe.
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Yes, they look like they were made out of some type of copper tubing or a fitting of some sort.At first I thought they were something "handmade"till I talked to the guy I got them from again.He swore they came in a factory box and he had just lost it over the years.They are .38's with a PMC headstamp.I have not tested any yet but they sure are a scary looking bullet.
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Yes, and I've posted a lot of it over on the ammo forum, where there has been good discussion of it. Here's a few examples...












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Combat, that sounds like them. They didn't penetrate very far and the plug didn't come out so it created very little damage and blood loss.


Here's some I have. The Omni-shok's, on the left and in the front case, are supposed to expand with petals and create large wound channels. I forget the name of the others but they were supposed to be good for shooting out car tires. They are very light and don't appear to have any lead in them. They are in a belt buckle that holds six rounds of .38/.357 ammo.
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That tubular ammo was called PMC Ultramag and was made in .38 special and .44 special. There was a nylon plug behind the bullet. When fired, the lightweight nylon plug dropped away after the tubular bullet left the barrel. Muzzle velocity of the bullet was in the order of 1700 FPS out of a 4" for the .38 special. Seems to me the weight of the bullet was around 66 grains. Most of the gunwriters who tested it felt it was a gimmick and after a couple of years went the way of the Edsel.
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PMC Ultramag gave excellent penetration for bullets that were much lighter for caliber than
usual. About 20 years ago, I fired the .44 special load into a block of transparent polyurethane and the bullet very nearly penetrated it completely, resting just under the surface and distorting the far side of the block. It tracked fairly straight and the bullet appeared undamaged. Ball ammo from common military rifle calibers would completely penetrate, but ordinary handgun rounds would not. I would like to have learned more about that ammo, but it disappeared quickly.
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PMC Ultramag gave excellent penetration for bullets that were much lighter for caliber than
usual. About 20 years ago, I fired the .44 special load into a block of transparent polyurethane and the bullet very nearly penetrated it completely, resting just under the surface and distorting the far side of the block. It tracked fairly straight and the bullet appeared undamaged. Ball ammo from common military rifle calibers would completely penetrate, but ordinary handgun rounds would not. I would like to have learned more about that ammo, but it disappeared quickly.
The reason it disappeared was because PMC didn't want to pay the patent owner, Abraham Flatau, for the right to produce it. I assume that this was because anticipated sales didn't seem to warrant the expense, but I don't know much more than that.
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Somewhere I have some old 32wcf ammo with copper primers. I was tol it was made waaaayyyy back when. I bought a Smith 32-20, the holster and a box containing 45 rounds from an old timer in '58. Said it belonged to his daddy and that it had been fired 5 rounds and put away. Old timer was in his sixties at the time and they went into town on a wagon when his daddy bought the gun. Good story then and a good one now. True? donno but I still have the gun. 4 digit serial, 47XX.

Should take pix of the ammo, I guess.
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Here are a few of my odd revolver cartridges.



These are some what common CCI shotshells in .45 auto & .38 spl.



Next up are Remington .357 Duplex loads and 7.62mm Nagant for the 1895 Nagant revolver. The strange thing about the Nagant cartridge is that the bullet is seated deep in the case below the crimp in the cartridge that is standing in the photo.
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That's funny, my dad just asked me to look for a Nagant revolver for him.

I also have a box of older 32-20 Win ammo. It's kinda interesting, mainly because it was originally designed for lever action rifles. Not quite so interesting that I can't pop into Guns & Ammo & buy a box off the shelf, though...
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I have six shots left of the Remington double ball .38's. They're not that old, but they don't make them anymore (not that I can find, anyway). I keep them in the "house gun"....of course, all my guns are the house gun...

At about 20 yards, they'll put the two balls an inch or two apart.
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Here's some from Iraq. This was some of the interesting rounds I found while segregating all of this **** the US Army dropped on us to destroy.
Pic 1;
L-R .50cal SLAP rnd, 50cal Bronze HP, 50cal Subsonic HP, 50cal plastic shortrange trainer.
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Pic 2;
This is a conglomeration of all the different types of handgun ammo found. Every thing from .25acp to .455 and some .357SIG, wonder how that got there.
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Pic 3; Here are all the containers I had to sort through, look like fun huh!
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here is a few of mine-
first is 357 magnum exploders.

second is 351 autiloading ammo

third is thompson contender 357 mag hotshots

and last is remington 30-06 accelerators.

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