I went to purchase some 40 S&W ammunition today and the place I normally go is completely out at the store and their warehouse. I then went online to see if I could maybe find some to purchase and every place I looked was also completely out of stock as well. Did Obama pass a law or something not allowing the sale of this ammunition anymore? Whats going on?????

I went to purchase some 40 S&W ammunition today and the place I normally go is completely out at the store and their warehouse. I then went online to see if I could maybe find some to purchase and every place I looked was also completely out of stock as well. Did Obama pass a law or something not allowing the sale of this ammunition anymore? Whats going on?????

Good morning Mr. Van Winkle.....

The whole country has been on a gun and ammo buying frenzy since 11/4/08.

I guess so. I can't find any ammo in 9mm or .40 S&W. Is everyone really that scared that Obama is going to do something with their guns and ammunition??? Whats the deal?

Mark my words. He's a tyrant and an enemy of the U.S. Constitution.

So should I buy up all the ammo I can now, if I can find some ??? Also should my wife go out and buy her handgun now before things change, if they change? She's been wanting to get one for her concealed carry...

Everyone that answered yes to these questions since the election are why you can't find your ammo.

DID YOU ACTUALLY VOTE FOR THE xxxx?!?!? Or did you just crawl out of a cave after 50 years?

I cannot believe a gun owner could be this naive, unless he voted for that xxxx .

Wyatt-
Please read the RULES here:
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I appreciate your contributions to this board, usually. However, I have had to caution you in the past and edit your posts. You are BUSTED for a week. Your posts will not show up for that week, so don't bother making any till after the 17th.
This is your last warning. When you come back, show respect for the OFFICE of the President.
If I have to engage you again, it will be to ban you.
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Lapse in judgment. My apologies.

Don't QUOTE or encourage this **** on my board. OK?
Lee J

Don't QUOTE or encourage this **** on my board. OK?
Lee J

LOL One would have to have their head shoved somewhere it doesn't belong to just now be noticing the lack of arms and ammo available since election day.

Tony, I'm guessing you're a new gun owner and haven't spent a lot of time visiting gun forums. Welcome to gun ownership.

President Obama is extremely antigun and anti 2nd and 10th Amendment. He's also made some overt statements about creating a civilian military force much like Hitler did. We gun owners presume he would use this force much in the same way.

It's hard for me to tell you not to buy guns and ammo for fear of creating a shortage when that's exactly what we all needed to be doing for the last several years...and supporting the NRA.

tonytgman-
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If I have to engage you again, it will be to ban you.
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tonytgman-
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You are BUSTED for a week. Your posts will not show up for that week, so don't bother making any till after the 17th.
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If I have to engage you again, it will be to ban you.
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enidpd804; I appreciate your input and courtesy in being somewhat adult in answering my question. Yes I em a fairly new gun owner and to tell you the truth if Obama really did what you people say he would do,

As far as I'M concerned you all can xxxxxxxxxx

Don't QUOTE or encourage this **** on my board. OK?
Lee J


Maybe it's high time you do pay attention to what the politicians are doing and how that effects your rights. Ignoring what they are trying to do isn't going to make it go away. Wise up man ........ we aren't the enemy ....... they are.

Hinze my reaction, instead of acting like an ***, people should be educating others who don't know better instead of condemning them!!! I will be keeping a better eye on whats going on then turning a blind eye on the situation. But that still doesn't justify the fact that someone like wyatt wannabe earp should act like an *** to someone like me who really doesn't give in to the B/S of politics!!! It all changes, here today gone tomorrow!!!

Come on people reply!!!!!

I did.
Lee J

Time for you to move to the reloading section to learn how to hand load. Though, components are getting hard to find thanks to the messiah.

pps, AHH, What ???????????????????????????????????

Once you learn to hand load, you are not as likely to be bothered by ammo shortages. I have enough components to last me another year. Once you start, you'll be hooked.

Tony,
FWIW peruse this thread. It'll give you a feel for what's going on Re: Ammo.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/for...4/m/6931005833

Interesting thread.

People,
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If you can't play by them, play somewhere else.
If you have never read them, I suggest you do so:
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Dodging the SPIRIT of the Rules won't be tolerated.
There is NO need to quote an obvious violation. Don't encourage them.

Lee J

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My bad.

The way I look at it, having all the ammo or ammo components that I ever expect to use in my lifetime is not a bad idea for several reasons. One is normal inflation. Ammo has gotten more expensive every decade that I've been alive. Doesn't mean it won't go down in the future, but history suggests it won't. Two is the anti-gun forces at work in our country. They may or may not have any impact on the availability of ammo, but there is some risk. Three is the regulation of lead as a hazardous substance. When I was a kid mercury was something you could buy and play with. Since then it has become poisonous, or kids today aren't as tough - I'm not sure which. Anyway lead will probably become harder and harder to get in the future. Definitely the second hand sources like wheel weights and linotype will dry up. Four is the cost of legal defense against product liability actions faced by ammo manufacturers, which adds to the cost of ammo. I'm sure I've left out a few, but to me it makes sense to acquire any ammo I realistically think I might ever need when and as I can. I wish I had bought more a couple of years ago because it's getting downright painful these days.

I apologize to you Lee J, but I was just asking a question and they got ugly with me...

Fine.
You are in a public place, here, with women and children present. If someone else curses in a public place, it doesn't mean you have to.
See you in a week.

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Lee Jarrett

We can still get most cals, If intrested let me know.

LOOKS LIKE THE PAGE IS SHUT DOWN !!

Sorry for my part in this exchange Lee. I'll do my best to keep out of such discussions in the future.

Brothers, a house divided against itself will not stand. We must encourage each other at whatever speed we come into the shooting sports. The next two years (until the midterm elections) will be rough enough without us fighting each other. If any of you feel short with another person's question or response to you, please let someone more patient, or a moderator, answer approriately.

Sorry Lee if I seem to be sticking my nose into your business after you've addressed the squabbling in this thread, I fully respect your authority, especially in you cyber-house. Please understand that I feel very passionate about this and only want what is best for this forum and this country.

I read a lot here, and don't post much, but I believe, as Ben Franklin said, about hanging together or seperately. I think we can all agree on the second amendment. JMHO.

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I would like to apologize to everyone as well, even Wyatt Earp. I should have acted in a more adult manor and I feel terrible about it. I hope everyone can forgive me...
Lee J, I know I'm banned for a week but can you please post this for me?
Thanks.

ATTA BOY!

Big +1. I'm looking forward to your contributions here, Tony.

I'd like to apologize for the smart***** answer I gave you to a simple question, Tony. It was uncalled for. I find many helpful people on this board when I need to know something and I'm afraid I was being less than helpful with my response.

Looking back on this thread, it is a lot easier to understand what happened and why. I know that any threat to individual gun ownership stirs peoples' emotions. It certainly does mine. I also understand why someone would not want to listen to what politicians SAY. So I can easily understand why everyone who got upset did. I would like to commend tonytgman and others for their apologies, and Lee for his patience. Tonytgman one thing you may want to consider is a membership in the NRA. For a few bucks a year your membership will get you (among other things) a good magazine to learn more about firearms in general. Also when state and federal election time rolls around your magazine will contain a "report card" on candidates in your area. One of the things this report card is based on is the candidate's past voting record on firearms related issues. As far as I am concerned, a candidate's voting record is more important than what the candidate says. The information provided in the magazine will certainly give you a starting point to do your own research into a candiate's attitude toward gun ownership if you don't want to take the report card as gospel. From a longtime gunowner, welcome to gun ownership. I don't feel comfortable welcoming you to the forum since I am a newcomer myself.

When I first started here posting my rookie questions, I was usually brought up to speed rather quickly through generous answers here and reading on my own, but I will never forget one response to the effect of:

"This board is only for people to whom firearms are a major part of their lives, you have no business here."

I apologized for not having uncles or a father who took me hunting every week, or for not inheriting a vault full of guns and said: "We all have to start somewhere sometime."

I hope that I have not blasted anyone trying to learn something.

week over.

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Lee Jarrett

Just saw this thread for the first time today. My, my. Thanks for calming it down, Lee, but I, for one, certainly understand how high emotions can, and in my view SHOULD run when it comes to attacks on our freedoms. We now have an administration that has vowed to attack not only the Second Amendment, but the First, i.e., the one they've always held so high and holy, with attempts at resurrection of the grossly misnamed "Fairness Doctrine," of which Richard Nixon was so fond.

To Tony, and to anyone else, I'd suggest immediately joining NRA, as well as the Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. These organizations fight for our rights, and if you are a new gun owner, they will keep you up to speed better than anyone about what the tyrants in D.C. are trying to do to us, with written publications and e-mail alerts.

Welcome to new gun ownership, Tony, and to the Forum. Try not to hold it against anyone here who expresses passion about the Second Amendment. (Even Wyatt is really a good guy, despite his occasional abruptness. ) Most of us have recently gone on to whatever step on the emotional ladder that lies above the one labeled "Bitter." It's gonna be a rough, ugly ride...

First of all, I'm glad to be back !!!
38-44HD45;
I really do appreciate your insight. I have (since being busted from this forum) been looking into and researching our new president and I can totally understand why tempers are high when it comes to this type of discussion. I'm now looking into joining the NRA for all the news and e-mail alerts. Thank You and All!!!

Major +1 to that.

De nada! Welcome to the wonderful world of the Gun Culture, where we love freedom, hate tyrants, and generally, leave each other and everyone else alone, unless forced to behave otherwise.

Tony,
Don't "look into it" just do it. Everyone who holds their freedoms sacred should be willing to at least donate a very small amount of money to protect them.

HERE is the link to join online right now. For your small donation you even get your choice of several different magazines. it's the least we all can do!

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+ 1 Wyatt Earp. That was good.

I've not been hitting the range with my M&Pc very often anymore; don't know when I can replace what I shoot. I did hit Kesselrings in Bellingham WA two weekends ago and they must have just received a shipment there’re were lots of unopened cases on the floor and the shelves full, and the stuff was being grabbed up fast, was able to get another 500 rds.

getting back to the original spirit of the thread; lately, I've seen very little in the way of ammo, especially at WalMart, Gander Mountain, Bass Pro, mom-n-pop shops, et al; even with some new arrivals in the collection, I have to be selective on what to shoot & how much, especially defensive stuff, to break-in and 'proof' selected loads with the guns they go with; I just found 3 boxes of Winchester WWB Personal Defense 110gr sjhp in .357 mag and was ecstatic!!! last week, I was perverbially doing cartwheels to find a box of Winchester Silvertip 110gr in .38 spl for my dad's S&W 642, even at $40 for that box of 50 rounds; I can tell you that ammunition manufacturing and sales is one area of the economy that doesn't need a stimulus package...Obama has been doing it since the election!!!

Just today, in conversation with a local dealer, he emphatically stated his firearms sales alone have tripled since the election. He also stated that if he ordered 20 cases of normal handgun ammo, he'd be lucky to get one case. As to the
skyrocketing prices, he said he was having to give, for ordinary high speed shotshells, the same price he used to SELL them for. He showed me a couple of his invoices to back up his statements.

No surprise in that Special.
The oldest page in capitalism's book,
"Page #1, Supply and Demand".
Glad it still applies somewhere? I believe you and him!

Man, I hope that this isn't dredging up old trouble, but this bill was referred to committee over a month ago, a month after it was introduced. It's probably dead. It doesn't mean that there won't be another, but this one's history, I'll bet.