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Magtech ammo
Has anybody had any problems with this ammo? I bought a box of 158 Gr. FMJ's went to the range and at least 3 out of 7 failed to fire on the first strike from my 686. It shoots Blazer and Hornady ammo just fine.
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08-21-2009, 06:03 PM
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I haven't shot that particular load, but I have used their 125gr SJSP 38 Special (in a Ruger Blackhawk) and 125gr 9mm FMC (in a S&W SW9VE) with no problems. Your box must have been made on a Friday!
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I haven't used any of their revolver ammo but have shot a ton of the MagTech in .380, 9mm and .45. It always goes bang in the semis. I consider it one of the better range ammos.
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08-21-2009, 06:26 PM
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I had a few 38s that wouldn't go bang the first go round also, no problem with the 380s.
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I shoot a lot of there 357 JSP stuff and never had any problems. I have a 686 no dash with hammer mounted firing pin though.
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I've only used it in smaller calibers, with alot of FTFs. I haven't touched the stuff since in any caliber.
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I've shot a lot of Magtech .357 and have not had one problem. It's my range ammo for that particular caliber.
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I have shot a lot of the .357 also with no problems in my 686.
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Never had a problem with it in any caliber.
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08-21-2009, 08:47 PM
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Never had no problems in any pistol SW,Glock,beretta. They just bought S-B a few months ago. First rate ammo.
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I've used 9mm, 40 cal, 380, 45acp, 38 special, 357 mag, 357sig and 44mag.
ALL went bang.
Zero FTF's.
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Thanks for all the replies I quess maybe its just my gun but it sure puts a hell of dent in the primer. Thought maybe they had tough primers or something maybe I just got a bad box.
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I shoot a M686 and have shot a lot of Magtech .38 Special and .357 Magnum ammo and never had one fail to fire. I've also shot a lot of their 9mm and 45 Auto ammo without any failures either.
As for tough primers I don't think they are tougher than any others. I got a hold of some Magtech primers a few months back and all 3000 ignited on the first strike in my reloads. (2,000 SPP & 1,000 LPP)
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I had a few FTF with the 158 RN in a model 60 with an aftermarket main spring. I put the factory spring back and have had no problem since.
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bought some 40 S&W at Cabelas the other day. I will give them a try today and pray I don't have the same problem
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I buy American.
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08-23-2009, 07:33 AM
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From what I understand, all of the American ammunition manufacturers (both of them) are putting out as much as their factories are capable of. So when I buy ammunition from Brazil, Italy or Serbia, I don't feel guilty because I know I am not helping to put an American out of work.
(My ancestry is Ukrainian so I will not buy Russian ammo!)
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I still buy american stuff even though the factories are running 24/7. When it's time to restock, it's the american made stuff that will need to be replaced. As more people buy things made in the U.S., their popularity will indicate to the store owners that those are the products they want sitting on their shelves. If that goes on long enough, new american jobs will be created since the ammo makers will eventually realize that the need to increase production will be permanent.
I trust the quality of ammo made by Americans more than former combloc countries.
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If that goes on long enough, new american jobs will be created since the ammo makers will eventually realize that the need to increase production will be permanent.
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I saw in a somewhat recent Olin Corp annual report that retail sales accounted for just under 25% of their ammunition sales. While it is certainly substantial, it still means that over 75% of their revenue is from government contracts (military and law enforcement). I haven't seen any stats from ATK, but I tend to believe they are pretty similar to Olin's. This being the case, I am sure the "brass" (no pun intended) at these corporations are well aware of which side of their bread has the butter on it!
To open a new plant would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and unless the bean counters can see a return on their investment within a reasonable amount of time, it just isn't going to happen. I just don't believe that this temporary bump in the retail market is enough to justify a major investment by Olin or ATK.
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Increasing production doesn't necessarily mean opening a new plant. It could mean newer, better, or more machinery in existing facilities, but buy all means keep buying foreign stuff. It's doing wonders for our economy.
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I am not questioning your patriotism, but I don't think you fully appreciate what it takes to run a corporation the size of Olin or ATK. Obviously our current ammunition "situation" is due to the change in administration. The president has only been in office 8 months and this is nowhere near enough time to determine if the retail demand for ammunition is an anomaly or a long term trend.
Even if they believed that these new facilities would provide a good return on their investment, commercial credit on the scale of the hundreds of millions of dollars it would take even to re-tool existing facilities is nearly impossible to find.
It takes years to plan these types of investments and by that time, Obama may be out of office!
Besides, at some point my personal economic situation has to come into play. I am not going to pay 2 or 3 times the market value of American-made ammunition to some "entrepreneur" on Gunbroker or at a gun show if I can't find it at a retail outlet. I realize these guys are just trying to make a living so they can send their kids to school, but I don't have to pay to send them to Harvard!
I know you think it is very unpatriotic of me to not want to give up recreational shooting just because I can not find American-made ammunition at a reasonable price, but I am still buying my foreign-made ammunition from an honest, hard-working, law-abiding American businessman so in that way, I am supporting the American economy.
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Scott, sorry if I was short tempered with you. It seems that every time I mention buying American products to anyone all I get are their BS excuses about how it isn't possible. Sometimes it isn't, but oftentimes it only takes a little more legwork (if any) to do. It really can be done, and if it can't, I'd still prefer to buy something made in Malaysia, or Mexico to something made in Russia, or especially China. I'm not talking about paying two, or three times the price either. I wouldn't usually. In my case I can get Wolf 7.62x39 FMJ for nine or ten bucks a box. The Federal American Eagle is twelve. It costs more, but comes in a brass case and I'm sure the quality is bettter. I'll pay the money and buy something made in the U.S. everytime under those kind of circumstances.
I hope this post clarifies where I'm coming from and once again, I apologize.
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Actually, we have no quarrel over Russian ammo. I am Ukrainian and my wife is from Lithuania and as a matter of course, we try to avoid things that come from Russia since we were once part of the Soviet Union and that is why we are here in the first place.
In this global economy, sometimes all the best you can hope for is something sold by an American company since there is no way of knowing where the components were made.
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I haven't used that mentioned load, but magtech was my primery plinking ammo for my glock 17 bevor I sold it. I had no problems with their 9mm ammo.
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I like the Magtech 38 Super. It chronos at over 1200 fps from a 1911, and you can shoot it in your K and N frame 38/357's, if you want to.
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I've shot some 115gr 9MM through a Walter P1 and zero problems,it seems like ok ammo,but that one or two boxes say nothing on the whole line they offer.
Beyond that-I've shot a ton of Wolf and could never get why people say it sucks,it goes bang all the time the only down side is how dirty the stuff is!
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...why people say it sucks,..... the only down side is how dirty the stuff is!
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That may be why it sucks! If it's the only brand to get, that would be different.
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Two Boxes of Junk
Stopped by one of our local dealers yesterday and lo & behold, he had almost a full case of Magtech .38 Special (158gr, FMC-Flat) on the shelf!!! Holy Smokes! In our community of about 200,000 people, I've only seen 2 boxes of .38 Special since the election!
Sure! I'll take a couple of boxes at $19 per!
Back home, I ran a cylinder-full thru a newly acquired model 442 and had 3 FTF's out of a five round cylinder! WTH??? I'm thinking light strikes and pretty disappointed that my new 442 is going to need some work.
Walked back into the house, grabbed a model 66, loaded up a cylinder-full of the .38 Magtechs and had 2 FTF's out of 6 rounds!!! And that particular 66 will gobble up anything you feed it. Never a FTF.
This dealer is a good guy and I'm sure that he will have no problem in taking the Magtech back. I considered keeping it; as I only bought it for target practice, but 5 FTF's out of 11 rounds is simply unacceptable.
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I have seen a lot of Magtec in my classes and it seems as good as any other range ammo. The two guns that had problems with it also had problems with Winchester and Remington though both were .38's.
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