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Anybody ever use the PMC hollow cookie cutter ammo? It has a completely hollow bullet! Nothing but the copper jacket, except a temporary base to the "bullet", which flies off when it exits the muzzle. I have one box in .44 Special, and a few boxes in .38 or .357.
They were suddenly discontinued in the late 1980s, citing "legal problems". (???) I wonder what they are worth today? (50 to a box). I can't figure out what purpose they were designed for.
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Anybody ever use the PMC hollow cookie cutter ammo? It has a completely hollow bullet! Nothing but the copper jacket, except a temporary base to the "bullet", which flies off when it exits the muzzle. I have one box in .44 Special, and a few boxes in .38 or .357.
They were suddenly discontinued in the late 1980s, citing "legal problems". (???) I wonder what they are worth today? (50 to a box). I can't figure out what purpose they were designed for.
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04-19-2009, 09:47 AM
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They were defensive ammo, presumably intended to cut a channel that wouldn't close up so easily. They were occasionally called Dick Tracy bullets, after the Dick Tracy comic strip that illustrated gunshot wounds as perfectly cylindrical channels through the body. The design was originally intended for much larger projectiles of military use, and the intent was to provide much better exterior ballistic characteristics. The intent was achieved, even in the handgun projectiles. However, when PMC started making cartridges and selling them, they apparently didn't look quite closely enough at the ownership of the patent, which was held by the inventor, Abraham Flatau. When called on their error, they apparently didn't consider it economically feasible to pay royalties and keep on manufacturing and selling. I have no idea whether the main factor was the cost of royalties or the sales experience they had already had. It was posted here many years ago that they dumped a lot of bullets for a low price, and the poster got some of them.
I have a few boxes of .38 Spl, and consider them fine ammo, but they are very light (66 grains in .38 Spl), and pretty much require adjustable sights. I know the sight changes for my M19 and M66 (one full revolution up on the elevation screw of either 2.5"-bbl gun, from what I have it adjusted to for 110 grain .357 Federal ammo), but I haven't carried either in a while.
I would be interested in your .44 Spl ammo if you are looking to sell it, but I really don't know what stuff like that is going for these days.
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04-19-2009, 10:33 AM
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I remember when they came out. Never paid them any attention. Interesting idea but it did not sell.
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04-20-2009, 08:45 AM
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I think they may have run into problems also with the ammo being classified as "armor piercing" due to some supposed ability to penetrate soft body armor.
If you are interested in selling the .44's, let me know although I also don't know what they are bringing these days.
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Within the last year I saw some on Gunbroker, but do not recall the caliber or starting price. May be some there now...
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Originally posted by 44forever:
I think they may have run into problems also with the ammo being classified as "armor piercing" due to some supposed ability to penetrate soft body armor.
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I can tell you for sure (from actual test) that the .38 Spl does NOT penetrate soft body armor, although I have heard rumors that the earliest versions used a different metal that would. I have never seen that ammo.
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I believe the AP veriety may have been made of bronze but I wouldn't swear to that.
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I used to shoot this stuff on a regular basis in the early-mid 90's just because it was so cool to shoot. It languished on the Local gun shop shelves and never caught on...I'm presuming it was just too odd for the old timers and did require some "figuring" if you had a gun with fixed sights....then again, I never fired anything at the 50 Foot mark anyway...it hit point of aim at the 30 ft maximum I practiced at.....I'd love to have some now....it is very cool ammunition....As others have already stated, I believe it only came in .38 very Special and .44 mag...........Zebulon
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