R. G. Amos
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Anyone have an idea of the value of the older Model 41 magazines with removable floorplates? I see these listed on some sites for as much as $70 each.
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smithfan4152
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To me the only model 41 magazines that are worth that kind of change are the earliest magazines, which were not welded up the back side, they were staked together. These particular magazines were only made for the first 2-3 years, to the best of my knowledge.
To me $35-$50.00 max if they are mint.
Try a 41-1 magazine at over $100.00 ea.
To me $35-$50.00 max if they are mint.
Try a 41-1 magazine at over $100.00 ea.
oldRoger
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Unless something has slipped by me, all 41 magazines have a removable floorplate. The newer ones have a blind hole, but the floorplate still comes off.
The major difference in the mags is the follower. The older steel follower is esteemed by some, although the black plastic works as well for me. I am not totally happy with the red plastic 12 rd follower, but some seem to like them as well.
The old two piece tube that smithfan refers to functions the same as the new ones, no better no worse. I have one in my regular rotation. The SIG fans would call them a "railroad magazine" they look vaguely like railroad tracks from the back.
The major difference in the mags is the follower. The older steel follower is esteemed by some, although the black plastic works as well for me. I am not totally happy with the red plastic 12 rd follower, but some seem to like them as well.
The old two piece tube that smithfan refers to functions the same as the new ones, no better no worse. I have one in my regular rotation. The SIG fans would call them a "railroad magazine" they look vaguely like railroad tracks from the back.
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OldRoger: I feel somewhat foolish. I have a Model 41 purchased in '95 and not fired since then. Frankly, I never looked at the mag base plate. I recently saw the one referenced for sale for $70 and touted as having a removable base plate. .
oldRoger
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I do not claim to be an expert on the M41 or it's magazines, Tom Beckwith and Jim Nicosia are much more knowledgeable than I about the whole M 41 scene.
I have been buying magazines to use for more than 40 years and have accumulated quite a few.
The major difference between the butt plates (BP) of the magazines that I have other than finish, is the hole near the front edge of the bottom or absence of the same.
The BP is a piece of folded steel, in the older ones a hole is drilled through the both of the folded thicknesses, in the newer BP the outer hole is not drilled. There is still a hole through the inner fold but it's blind.
To disassemble the mag wear eye protection, and holding the magazine BP up, you would insert a small screwdriver into the mag spring and push the spring toward the follower to pull the mag. sp plunger out of the hole, slip off the BP and slowly release tension.
Upon reassembly be careful to get the plunger tip back into the blind hole.
As Jim said above, I don't know about any valuable M41 Magazines. The 41-1 .22 short mags are scarce, relatively few were made and as a consequence are valuable.
I have been buying magazines to use for more than 40 years and have accumulated quite a few.
The major difference between the butt plates (BP) of the magazines that I have other than finish, is the hole near the front edge of the bottom or absence of the same.
The BP is a piece of folded steel, in the older ones a hole is drilled through the both of the folded thicknesses, in the newer BP the outer hole is not drilled. There is still a hole through the inner fold but it's blind.
To disassemble the mag wear eye protection, and holding the magazine BP up, you would insert a small screwdriver into the mag spring and push the spring toward the follower to pull the mag. sp plunger out of the hole, slip off the BP and slowly release tension.
Upon reassembly be careful to get the plunger tip back into the blind hole.
As Jim said above, I don't know about any valuable M41 Magazines. The 41-1 .22 short mags are scarce, relatively few were made and as a consequence are valuable.
gagunner 2
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+1 to what oldrodger said.Once BP is removed ,you can drill a hole thru the BP and it can be removed just like the older ones.
smithfan4152
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Also I wanted to clarify, that if someone had the early first year or two production gun, it's nice to have the original style magazines to go with the guns.
oldRoger
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I have two mid-60s M41s, somehow I ended up with an early two piece magazine, I suppose a long ago gun show. It is in about average condition shows wear and is being used every week, anyone who needs it to go with a older gun, is welcome to it. I will accept a trade for a good (usable) steel follower mag.
Roger
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I have a late 60's M41 (original owner) with one of the two original magazines with the steel follower. The other died in the CCI hi-velocity exploding case episode of a couple of years ago - that thread seems to have been lost in a general re-do of this forum.
CCI replaced the destroyed magazine with a late model red follower type, as well as replacing the destroyed grips.
I had it at the range last week for the first time in ages, and had to stop using the red follower magazine because of repeated failures to feed completely. The rounds would not get fully seated, and consequently the gun would not fire. The magazine spring is considerably stronger, and I'm guessing that the M41 has trouble stripping off the new round with the extra pressure on it. There were no failures to feed in almost 300 rounds using only the old, original magazine.
I'll be in the market for a couple extra of those older magazines.
CCI replaced the destroyed magazine with a late model red follower type, as well as replacing the destroyed grips.
I had it at the range last week for the first time in ages, and had to stop using the red follower magazine because of repeated failures to feed completely. The rounds would not get fully seated, and consequently the gun would not fire. The magazine spring is considerably stronger, and I'm guessing that the M41 has trouble stripping off the new round with the extra pressure on it. There were no failures to feed in almost 300 rounds using only the old, original magazine.
I'll be in the market for a couple extra of those older magazines.
oldRoger
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I am not fond of the red follower magazines either. I think the springs are the same though. I have ordered enough black plastic followers from Brownell to replace all of my red follower mags. Some have arrived the rest are on back order.
The ones that I have "upgraded" from 12rds to 10rds seem to have corrected the problems I was having. My diagnosis is too much tension on the first rounds in the 12rd mags..
The ones that I have "upgraded" from 12rds to 10rds seem to have corrected the problems I was having. My diagnosis is too much tension on the first rounds in the 12rd mags..
