Buying something tomorrow

My goal is deep simple effective conceal and carry. Sorry no Smiths in the running.

I still do not know which one. I will have enough money on hand to purchase. Here is some pricing. I think it's all way to high myself. And all listed I want. And I'm trying real hard to not smoke a credit card.

#1 LGS

P-11 black/blued 279.00
PF-9 black/blued 299.00 <<<< that sucks bad....
Sub2000 Glock/9mm 299.00 <<<< they are very rare here and priced right I feel.
Ruger GP100 6" Blued 500.00 <<<< I want one,,, just a reference point.

#2 LGS

P-11 None in stock with some coming and they are always 10.00 cheaper than the equal PF-9
Pf-9 black/blued 279.00
NAA Black Widow Combo 263.00 They don't always have them.
NAA Short Barrel Combo 223.00 See above.
S&W 686 Plus SS 6" 700.00<<<< I want one just a reference point.

Man am I in a darn pickle. I NEVER has a purchase issue! Now I'm as confused at Bret Farve.

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Jimmy

Have you handled any of these? I wouldn't even consider the NAAs for concealed carry. I recently bought a NAA Mini 22lr for grins. They are too small, hard to shoot accurately and should be for novelty use only.

Google for J&G sales. They have some used S&W revolvers that were police trade-ins and several people have said they were very happy with buying them. J&G will take credit cards without an additional fee and ship to an FFL near where you live.

blastfact said:

My goal is deep simple effective conceal and carry

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Ah, therein lies the rub- firepower vs. size, and it is a compromise.

If you purchase something too big, you're back at square one.

A P-11 occasionally accompanies me when I'm out and about. Not a bad little firearm, IMO, but some folks don't like them. If you haven't shot one, the trigger is LLLOOOONNNNGGGG. Practice with it before you depend on it. I paid ~$250 two or three years ago, new.

Andy Griffith said:

Ah, therein lies the rub- firepower vs. size, and it is a compromise.

If you purchase something too big, you're back at square one.

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+1,000.It's all a compromise.

rock doc said:

Have you handled any of these? I wouldn't even consider the NAAs for concealed carry. I recently bought a NAA Mini 22lr for grins. They are too small, hard to shoot accurately and should be for novelty use only.

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They are minimal, especially the long rifle, but a little less minimal (does that make sense?) in .22 mag. I can put five pretty quick shots in a paper plate at seven or eight feet. I hardly ever just carry a NAA. Usually carry mine as backup to a j-frame.

Unless your seven foot tall anything with a 6" barrel is tough to conceal.

As someone who has been carrying for almost 25 years let me give my 2 cents worth. You say "deep" carry. Do you mean a concealed gun that is not easily accessible? If so all of the smaller ones you list will suffice. But if you are looking to carry conventionally, I.E. the gun is accessible fairly readily, it really doesn't need to be super small. The key is a quality holster. If you have a good one you can carry a fairly large gun comfortably, securely and well concealed. It just takes good equipment.

Thats a good price for a Kel-tec PF-9 and they are pretty hard to find right now, and they also have a much better trigger pull than the P-11. It's probably the most concealable gun made in a decent caliber.

A Black/Blued PF-9 showed up at my place of work today for a uber fantastic price of $200. New in the box and ready to rock! Friends with FFL are wonderful. I was lead to believe it had a 100 rounds put through it over the phone last night. Only round it had fired were it's factory test rounds and the print round. If any test rounds went through it at all.

I brought it home inspected it, cleaned it up reoiled with M1 0-20 and hit the range. It shoots POA right out of the box and proved to be quite deadly at 7 yards. With a tad of thought of which I really did not wont to do,,, think after work. I was able to keep 4" groups pretty easy. I did not shoot out any farther than that. My goal today was to try and break it. Or to see if it could break me. Neither happened.

I put 340 rounds through it today in real short order. 100 rounds of my reloads being, Berry's 124gr. plated ball over 4gr TiteGroup with CCI primers. 50 rounds of my reloads being 124gr. XTP over 4.3gr of TiteGroup with CCI primers. 100 rounds of 115gr. REM Sure Shot, 50 rounds of Win/Nato 124gr. FMJ, 20 rounds of WWB 147gr. JHP, 20 rounds of Win PDX1 124gr. +P. In that order. No issues what so ever! It chambered and fired every last one.

I put the pinky plate on and took that waste of time right off after 21 rounds. Feels much better in hand with the standard plate on the mag. My pinky is long enough to wrap around the bottom of the plate and be comphy. I think it could be of use to my wife with her small pretty, delicate yet powerful hands.

Fit and finish is what it is. The machine marks on the slide scream Comblock. The Bluing Screams Birchwood Casey on a bad day. Mold flash on the grip and trigger guard have to go. Not because it hurt me. But it really does scream cheap. The simply beauty is found in the inner frame and works. Simplest heaven. And almost clean. The feed ramp was almost polished. There is one very slight ding on the crown of the barrel. I'm not going to worry about it. Im sure with some carry time the crown will look like hammered tin.

Shooting the pistol did not hurt me one bit. The back strap and mold flash did not hurt my hand. No thumb knuckle issue. No Slide bites. No trigger finger issues. No blisters, no nothing! No accidental mag release's. Mag dropped clean every time when asked. It went through 50 or so dry fires before I took it out to the range with no snap caps. And it did not spit the firing pin out at me. No need for a grip wrap or any other doctoring.

I came home from the range with a grin from ear to ear. I field stripped the weapon and started cleaning it up. I ran some 9 through it with a brush and some patches. Then took some Rem 40-X bore cleaner to it with a nylon brush, then a barrel mop and double patches. Flushed it out then soaked the bore with some Hoppe's Elite while I turned my attention to the out side of the barrel which got a quicky with 0000 steel wool then 2000 grit paper. Hit the feed ramp with some 2000 grit real fast. Detailed the springs a tad. Took the action out of the lower and marveled at its beauty. Cleaned it up a tad, a few drops of M1 0-20 and it went back together. No brain surgery needed,,, simple as hell. I then cleaned the slide up, patched out the Elite, a wet patch of M1 0-20 and a dry patch and put it back together. Of note,,,, I wanted to pull the extractor and firing pin and inspect them. The screw was in good and tight. So I did not force the issue. Have LT Blue at the ready. I did blow out the firing pin through the hole on to some white paper as I was working the pin. I did get a dirty finger and some black grud on the paper. I put on drop of oil on the pin with a tooth pick and worked it in. Smooth is the word.

At this point I see no reason to do a detailed F&B on the weapon. I will be ordering another mag and a suggested replacement parts kit as suggested on the Kel-Tec website. I will call it the mini armors kit. I will detail the slide and park it when the bluing goes south. It appears to be one of the few weapons I have ever bought that within hours of ownership I have not created a laundry list of mods for.

I have been enjoying the PF-9 a lot! I shot 200 rounds through it yesterday. All retail ammo and of diff. manufactures FMJ and JHP. Hope to put some reloads through it today.

It has behaved perfectly. No issues what so ever. No hand pain, No control issues. The trigger is lighter than a mod'ed Sigma for sure and tad longer with a far better release.

I look forward to carrying this pistol after all the guberment work is complete and the money paid to the local sheriff and OSBI and related photos and finger prints. My goodness do honest people have to jump through rows and rows of fence's to take part in a right. Criminals just rock and roll.