Large Medallion K Frame stocks

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Found these on ebay a while back, bought them thinking they were worn
N frame stocks to use the hardware for a set of KB N magnas. Was surprised
when they arrived and were K frame. I think I have seen pictures of one or
two pre-war M&P's with this style of stock.

Does anyone else have a set like this? Are these "rare" or "scarce" or should
I just use the hardware for the KB magnas?
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Those are nice Mike - looking forward to the expert opinions.
I would be interested to know what K frame revolvers(s) that S&W installed these on??
I'm assuming that these first appeared in 1935 (like the N frame counterpart)?
 
Hey Mike! Nice find, I would say at the very least "scarce", especially in such nice condition. If they were mine I would just keep them packed away safely ( maybe bring them to the show once for me to take a peek ) and look for another set of medallions. And thanks again for the "supplies" it was very much appreciated.

Keith
 
Mike:
There have been a handful of posts the last few years about these and, if I recall correctly, most of the serial numbers have been in the low 600,000s. I think Dick Burg has more info on these. I have a pair with the written number of 610,199. Haven't seen too many. A guy had an M&P on one of the online auctions about 2 years ago and I communicated with him about the serial number. It was in that range and the gun was ragged out. He got no bids the first time around and after mentioning that the stocks were not common, he raised the reserve about 3x the value of the gun. Last time I saw it, it was on about the 30th go-around and no one had bought it.
Ed
 
Mike,

Those are pretty scarce stocks. They were used for a short while about 1931 (see the engineering changes appendix in Neal & Jinks). I have seen a few pairs, mostly on guns in the 611,000 range. I think I may have bought that beauty Ed saw on the internet. It was a 5 inch nickel square butt dog, but the grips are numbered to the gun. It isn't pretty, but OK for my M&P type collection.
 
Mike,

Those are pretty scarce stocks. They were used for a short while about 1931 (see the engineering changes appendix in Neal & Jinks). I have seen a few pairs, mostly on guns in the 611,000 range. I think I may have bought that beauty Ed saw on the internet. It was a 5 inch nickel square butt dog, but the grips are numbered to the gun. It isn't pretty, but OK for my M&P type collection.

This is interesting. Have you ever lettered that gun or ask Roy about shipping date?
 
Would those be the correct stocks for a K22 Outdoorsman, if so I could use a pair for mine?
 
Great information, my set has an illegible hand written number.

gripsguy, how is your set numbered? hand written or stamped?

aquagear, I think all the K-22s came with the small medallion stocks.

Keith and Mike I will have them at OGCA for show and tell!

I was disappointed at first when they came and were to nice to salvage for
the hardware!
 
thanks I an trying to find the correct grips for my K22 pre 23 and pre 28 thought I might have found some ,oh well, thanks for the info
 
Would those be the correct stocks for a K22 Outdoorsman, if so I could use a pair for mine?

I haven't seen the large medallions used on a K22, but it's possible. They were produced during those serials. Usually the K22 has standard small medallion grips with pre-war magnas or grip adapters seen occasionally. (I have examples of all of the above).
George Wimer had some very nice small medallion K grips listed on GB. They weren't cheap, but they were near new. I don't think I have any that I'm willing to part with right now. Sorry.
 
Mike said the word scarce. I concur. With the condition near excellent they are worth a lot to someone who needs them. Nice wood.:)
DW
 
I've got medallions.... :D

I've owned a couple of sets of them over the years. And a couple more made from N frame grips where someone had very skillfully whittled and sanded the material to fit. Be wary of those.

Like the OP here, I purchased the ones I've owned to harvest the medallions.

Maybe I'll bring my medallion collection to the OGCA and try to cheat one of you guys (just for fun.) My real goal was to figure out a way to use them as buttons on a flannel shirt. No kidding. I'd be the only guy with a Woolrich chamois shirt that had S&W large medallion buttons! :D
 
This large and small medallion thing is a new facet of the fascination with S&W's

I got this K-22 Outdoorsman a couple of weeks ago.

The stocks number to the gun.

Are these large or small medallions?

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Small. There is more wood around the medallions than there is in the image in the original post.

My K-22 first model also has the small medallions.
 
Let me bring this thread out of retirement with some more evidence. I won these stocks several days ago in one of Lee's Ebay auctions.

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On the right inside surface is the stamped three-digit number 127.

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But if you look above the stamp and the screw hole, you will see a six-digit number in pencil that starts 611. I think the three following blurry digits are the same as the stamped digits -- 127.

So here's another set of large-medallion K-frame service stocks numbered in the 611xxx range. Guns with serial numbers a little higher shipped as early as 1931 and as late as the mid-1930s. The earliest date that one of the 611xxx guns could have shipped is not clear, but might be 1930.

That's pretty close to the end of the medallion-free 1920s era, and I wonder if the large medallion service stocks on K-frames might be the first of the stocks with reintroduced medallions in the 1930s. For whatever reason (splitting wood and ruined stocks? Simple availability from the supplier?), the large medallions were quickly dispensed with and the smaller medallions were used in service stocks until Magnas displaced them as the standard stocks on S&W revolvers a few years later.

The K-22 was not yet in production when the 611xxx guns were being produced. The lowest serial number for a K-22 OD is about 20,000 higher.

I wonder if any .32-20 HEs were equipped with large medallion stocks. I have never heard of one, and I suspect that all the guns on which these distinctive stocks were installed were .38 M&Ps. It would be interesting to know if they were all square butts, or if some round butt stocks were produced with large medallion inserts.

If anyone else has serial numbers to offer that bear on this question, please post them. We seem to have heard of earlier large medallion guns in the 610xxx range, but there has been no reference yet to these stocks on guns numbered in the 612xxx range.
 
For a while we had doubters. Now most of us believe they did produce large medallion K frame grips. I have no idea what happened to mine. Probably sold the gun they were on, and I think it was probably an M&P target.

I did have a couple of sets that were whittled down from RM or HD grips.

My advice to anyone who see's them for sale is to mortgage the farm and buy the grips. I've never had a good handle on the terms rare or scarce. But I'd guess the grips we're discussing fit most folks definitions. They're an interesting diversion in all this.

There is a rumored item from the past we've never seen or gotten a handle on. We've heard there were large medallion grips before the small ones, but after the convex 1920s non-medallions. Maybe this is the hot ticket. I believe even Roy says he's never seen them, but like bigfoot, he believes they exist.
 
Here are two interesting pairs. They are Pre War K Frame service style stocks, in Circassian Walnut showing a comparison between the small and large medallions.
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And here are the reverse sides. Both appear to have spent some time on a gun. I can barely make out a 154 or 159 penciled on the back of right large medallion stock but see no numbers on the small medallion stocks.

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