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Here's another newbie with a gun and doesn't know exactly what it is. My wife inherited this gun when her mom passed away back in September. It's a nickel plated Smith & Wesson but I don't know much more than that. There are several patent dates on the barrel, the newest one being Sept 14, 09 (that would be 1909, not 2009). Also on the barrel is ".38 S&W Special CTG". The serial number on the bottom of the grip is 1685xx. That same number is also on the bottom of the barrel preceeded by a "B" with several character spaces between it and the S/N. After the S/N and several character spaces is what looks like the letter "W". Any help with model ID or mfg. date would be greatly appreciated.

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Welcome to the forum. That's a nice old gun in seemingly pretty good shape, but the frame edges under the barrel look just a little rounded to me. This may have been a blued gun to start with that was later refinished in nickel. Can we see a photo of the other side of it? Is there a five-pointed star pounded into the frame anywhere near the serial number? The star can sometimes indicated factory refinishing, but the absence of a star can't be taken to mean that the gun has not been refinished.

That gun probably dates from 1910-11. It is an example of the .38 Hand Ejector Military & Police Third Model. If you want to get really precise, collectors would recognize it as the third model, third change; that recognizes some engineering and design changes made in the M&P line as the gun, which was introduced in 1899, evolved over about 15 years into the design that it held for much of the 20th century. The .38 Special M&P was S&W's most successful gun; they made millions of them.

It's safe to shoot modern .38 special ammunition as long as you stay away from the hot-loaded rounds and the +P ammo. I have an old M&P from 1904 that I shoot with wadcutter target ammo.

The earliest M&P revolvers were round butt guns, but the square butt option was introduced in 1905. Most prewar and wartime M&Ps square butt guns, so you have one of the less common varieties (not that being less common makes it rare).
 
Mr. Wilson,
Thanks so much for your reply. This gun may have been plated after manufacture, but my wife, who is 62, has always known it as "granddaddy's silver gun". If so, it was plated before her recollection.

You asked about a 5-pointed star stamping. I re-examined the gun and could find no star. Here is a photo of the other side although not a very good one. Photographing a plated gun is quite the challenge.

Again, thanks for your enlightening response.

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Welcome to the forum. Is the barrel six inches or six and a half inches? It sure looks like the latter. Measure from the muzzle to the front of the cylinder and let us know, please.
 
The last picture of the underside of the barrel shows the S/N preceded by a "B". The "B" would indicate it was originally a blued gun. It appears evident the Nickle plating has a lot of age on it, and may well be factory. Look under the grips for a stamped star with a date mark by it.
 
Well, I took the grips off and here's what I found. The correct serial is on the right grip. On the left of the grip frame, the only thing I found was 2 eights, one at right angle to the other (see pic). On the right of the grip frame, there was a "B" and an "E" (again, see pic). That is all that was there.

BTW, the barrel measures 6 7/16" which is, I guess, a nominal 6.5".

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Cool old gun with family history! What more could you ask for. I would carefully check it out and gently shoot it. Kyle
 

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