I think the guys that want the 617 8 3/8 ,already have the 4 and 6 in barrel no locks and want to fill the collection.They are cool guns and like they say,not making them anymore.I agree with 410,not a steal,especially if just the gun, about 150 to high w/out all the xtras.I have the 4,6 and 8 3/8 ,no locks,box etc.,love em all.