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First time CCWing
Ok so I got my permit on the 21st June and while I have one friend who isn't comfortable with a guy hauling a pistol with him wherever he goes I have another who is fine with it,so this Tue he called up and said he was kind of bored and if I wanted to go out and roam around,I said sure I've had a bit of a hard few days on top of getting things packed to move so a change of pace was welcomed.
I chose to stick the 4506 in a gun mate IWB (AKA the el cheapo holster) on my right and the Pug in an inside left side vest pocket stuck in another gun mate for a J frame,swallows the thing whole but it works,a spare mag on my left in a Fobus carrier and fifty extra .22 mags in a coin pouch in my vest pocket.
I can report these observations on my first time:
It's not that hard,even with my rather "not high speed" carry I hardly noticed I had the guns with me.
The 4506 is big,but if you stick it in the right place it just vanishes.
I didn't have any paranoia over being spotted,as I said I mostly forgot I was armed.
I wore a vest,I wear the thing a lot if someone ever thought I was carrying I don't care,the fact that I am now means nothing.
It's an interesting feeling to go around with a big arsed .45 and no one knows you have it on you.
you also have some measure of pride knowing that you're trusted enough to go about armed in public,this IS what the 2A is all about.
So,I guess you may count me among your numbers now
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07-01-2010, 05:42 AM
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Well, congratulations...good luck and stay safe.
Since you're new at this, I'd like to suggest you think about the following, if you haven't already:
If you carry more than one pistol, how will that appear should you actually use deadly force in a confrontation?
How will it appear to the police and prosecutors evaluating your claim of self defense? If you wind up charged criminally or sued civilly, how might it appear to a judge or jury?
I'm not telling you what to do. I don't know your circumstances. It's your business.
I'm just suggesting that you think long and hard about why you are carrying more than one gun, if you haven't already. The first battle is when you are defending your life against an attack. The second battle is the legal one that will surely follow. You must be prepared to justify your actions, including your weaponry...to police, prosecutors, judges and juries. Especially juries. Your actions must appear to be objectively reasonable.
As you may already be aware, carrying multiple weapons, if you're not LE obligated to go in harm's way, or if you don't have some other special circumstance, can be construed by a prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney as someone spoiling for a fight, hoping to shoot someone.
It may not be an issue in your region of the country, depending on the attitude of the legal system and the public regarding concealed carry. You may have a perfectly sound, reasonable justification for carrying the second gun. I don't know.
But, if you haven't already, I'd recommend that you give it some thought now, as you do all aspects of self defense.
Again, congratulations and stay safe.
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I do have one actually-99% of why I wanted a permit is I like to roam the hills and remote as all hell areas so the .22 mag is for smaller "problems" like rabid animals,no use to waste large cal ammo on a coon,plus I use it with shot for the odd snake I might step on,the larger is for the rare bear that wants to scrap.
We traveled on a county "road" that wasn't more then a donkey path! my friend likes places like this and it's fun,but no way I'd be out there without a pistol.
Plus I'm getting into land investment,so I plan on going to some far off the beaten path farms to see about buying,there I know I'll need the shotshells exploring old barns.
If I'm just going to town to shop or watch a movie etc. I'll just grab ether the .45 or,more likely,the 642.
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07-01-2010, 12:10 PM
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Roger that!
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Carry them both if you're comfortable with it. Don't get into the midset that what firearm, ammuniton, trigger pull weight, extra mags or any of the other trivial matters that come up will somehow be used against you down the road.
If it is a justified and legal self defense situation, none of it will matter.
I hear about it all the time but never do I see cases where someone was charged. (Other then on the Internet Forums, that is)
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07-01-2010, 12:31 PM
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Congratulations!
While one should never feel cocky, confidence in one's own security is what it's all about. It's a good feeling.
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Welcome to the club. Pretty soon you just won't feel right without your 45 on your hip. As to carrying more than one gun, just remember "one is none and two is one". Basically if during an encounter you only have one gun and it fails, you are out of the fight. If you have two guns, you are covered. That being said, whether I carry one or two, is dependent on what I am doing.
Anyway, be glad you can defend yourself and be safe.
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Hello Krull, Welcome to the world of CCP from another West Virginian!!!!
I carry everyday. It gives a "feller" a little better felling of security. Carry often and enjoy the feeling of "piece of mind"!!!
From TLG, a fellow Mountaineer!!!
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I carry two as well. A pistol is a tool built by men, and as such can and has failed. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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07-01-2010, 03:28 PM
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Keep that New York Reload!
I carry a minimum of two and so has pretty much every name gunfighter that I can think of. The use of multiple weapons goes back to the dawn of time and precedes firearms. It is more of a principal in my mind that serious fighting men have several weapons. They always have and always will. That said, I mean no insult to those who carry only one for whatever reason. I'm thankful for all the good folks who carry.
Last September I came close to shooting a would be mugger. Due to the circumstances, I chose my weak side BUG (Taurus 605 2 1/4" .357/125 gr. Remington SJHPs). I wanted the fastest draw possible. Since I knew it was about to go down and was therefore forewarned, I chose the pocket draw. In other circumstances I would have prefered the easier-to-shoot-accurately, harder hitting nickeled 4" S&W 586 on my right hip. I like the tactical possibilities that more than one gun offers. Once knucklehead saw my hands go in my pockets and the pissed off look on my face, he decided he would rather be elsewhere. In the end, I never had to draw.
Lew did raise a good point about court though. My belief (take it for what you think it's worth, I'm not a lawyer) is that the best way to look reasonable is to be able to articulate exactly why you prefer to carry more than one gun (which you did), live a life that is beyond reproach and don't go anywhere that your mother wouldn't want you to.
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The reason for carrying a BUG is the same as the reason for carrying in the first place. Better to have than need.
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the .22 mag is for smaller "problems" like rabid animals,no use to waste large cal ammo on a coon,plus I use it with shot for the odd snake I might step on,the larger is for the rare bear that wants to scrap.
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I'm not with PETA or anything, and I've been reading about 'snake' shot for 30 years, but I never saw a snake I wanted to shoot more than I wanted to catch it. That would include rattlers, copperheads, and whatever else you have in WV. Same with 'varmints'. What are the chances of running into a rabid anything? Not trying to dictate your choices, but I think our society pressures us to say we need a gun for a snake, or a coyote, or a bear... I believe it's OK to carry a gun just to carry it. Sorry to say you're more likely to encounter a human threat than dangerous wildlife, so load for back country pot farmers and walk around the timber rattlers. Or not. Your call.
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I carry a minimum of two and so has pretty much every name gunfighter that I can think of. The use of multiple weapons goes back to the dawn of time and precedes firearms. It is more of a principal in my mind that serious fighting men have several weapons. They always have and always will. That said, I mean no insult to those who carry only one for whatever reason. I'm thankful for all the good folks who carry.
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While I likewise mean no insult to those who carry multiple handguns, I think we can get ourselves into trouble very quickly if we start thinking of ourselves as "gunfighters."
I've spent my entire adult life in the profession of arms, but the only occasions I felt compelled to carry two firearms were when the likelihood that I'd be shot at were high. In those situations the handgun was my "BUG"; my primary was a rifle.
I only carry a handgun because I don't think I'll need a gun at all...much less two. If for some reason I get a hair up my @$$ to carry another weapon it'll be something that will provide flexibility rather than redundancy--an ASP baton, for example.
But, again, far be it from me to tell anyone what should float their boat.
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While I likewise mean no insult to those who carry multiple handguns, I think we can get ourselves into trouble very quickly if we start thinking of ourselves as "gunfighters."
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I never described myself as a gunfighter. I'm referring to folks like Lance Thomas, Jim Cirillo, Bill Allard, Keith Jones, Bob Stasch ect. I believe in learning from the folks who have been there, done that and preferably multiple times. That would be the case for all of the men I've listed above. They all use multiple guns.
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I don't have a crystal ball and I definately don't believe in changing my set up around constantly based on what I think the threat level is, I feel lazy, ect. I know where everything is and in an emergency I don't have to try to remember where things are and how many I brought. Twice last year I was ready to shoot and both times were quite unexpected. I agree about the long gun, use one if you can.
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I doubt I'll ever need more than one, but like I said, more guns give more options and are the fastest reload there is. Do you carry extra ammo?
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....which is a definate no-no in Michigan.
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No foul taken, bro. Thank you for your service.
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Soon you'll be going out and not giving the gun you have concealed a second thought..... It will just be there and feel totally natural
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I too think that carrying multiple guns, just to go out and "fool around" is probably not a wise thing to do.
To me, that sounds like pushing the envelope...if you know what I mean?
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is probably not a wise thing to do.
To me, that sounds like pushing the envelope...if you know what I mean?
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That's the same thing the "anti gun" people say about carrying one gun.
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@brokenprism I hear you about most snakes,but I've also seen copperheads get rather aggressive,so I err on the side of caution and bring along some "anti-snake" repellent
@everybody else on two guns:I may carry one,but I may carry two,the Pug is like carrying pocket change so it's easy to slip in a pocket and go.
That said my permit has nothing anywhere about a limit on what I may carry so I could just take as many as I can hide!
if you feel that you could get in hot water after a shooting then don't,having a "reason" for two is a good idea if you get asked,but in the end carry what the hell you want! unless the place you inhabit says no.
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Welcome to exersizing your rights!
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...so the .22 mag is for smaller "problems" like rabid animals,no use to waste large cal ammo on a coon,plus I use it with shot for the odd snake I might step on,the larger is for the rare bear that wants to scrap.
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I'd rethink the 22 for the possible rabid 4-legers. Rabid 'coons and fox are on the increase. 3 verified rabid fox reports (on cought on a security camera) in the last couple of months and 5 probable rabid 'coon reports in Cherokee county in the last 2-3 weeks. As one of the men bitten by a rabid fox said, "The fox bite was less painfull than these rabies shots!"
Were I in your shoes if the 4-leger started toward me, I'd pull the .45 and shoot to slide lock, reload and put the 22 between my teeth just in case.
But then again I'm a wimp.
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JWiley, that ain't bad advice. I once shot a racoon through the rump with a 6" 686 stoked with 125 gr. .357s. That shot slowed her down, but the critter was by no means stopped. The next three shots (actually the first on the three) did. Shot placement is king.
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When I am in a place where it is legal, I carry at least 2... and nothing smaller than a .44 snubby.
The way I see it, if I NEED 1... then there is the chance I NEED more than that.
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All I can say is, you've got a better back than I! A loaded 4506 weighs a ton and a half! Report back in a year and let us know if you're still carrying all that stuff.
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Each person who chooses to be armed has to solve the riddle themselves. How many weapons to carry, how many rounds loaded and extra, caliber, pistol or revolver, etc. Before I started carrying a gun, I imagined what questions I would be answering following an event where I felt it necessary to draw the gun and fire it. "Sir, why did you shoot the victim 10 times?" Um... well the .22 automatic I was carrying only held 10 rounds and the first 5 times I shot him in the leg, he kept coming at me... NO. 2 shots in the chest with a 9mm [or bigger] and see if he changes his mind. If not, fire until threat stops. The police lieutenant who did our training hammered away at "be able to articulate the threat to you" when asked why you fire your weapon.
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Each person who chooses to be armed has to solve the riddle themselves. How many weapons to carry, how many rounds loaded and extra, caliber, pistol or revolver, etc. Before I started carrying a gun, I imagined what questions I would be answering following an event where I felt it necessary to draw the gun and fire it. "Sir, why did you shoot the victim 10 times?" Um... well the .22 automatic I was carrying only held 10 rounds and the first 5 times I shot him in the leg, he kept coming at me... NO. 2 shots in the chest with a 9mm [or bigger] and see if he changes his mind. If not, fire until threat stops. The police lieutenant who did our training hammered away at "be able to articulate the threat to you" when asked why you fire your weapon.
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Not going into the "avoid it first/call 911" thing as we all know to do that but....
I told my instructor that unless a person has a weapon I will do everything to not kill them,I have pepper spray,I intend to get a tazer,I will kick him in the crotch so hard he'll need the emergency room to get his manhood out of his nasal cavity but I won't shoot them if at all possible.
Now they bring a gun,knife,bat,pipe etc. out...well at that it's open season on idiots as far as I'm concerned,and I'm shooting to stop them,if they die in the process-meh they made their choices.
@Photoman44 I've carried a pistol on my place everyday since I moved to WV,almost twenty years so I'm used to having one on me and it's been anything from a 7 1/2 Super Blackhawk to Glocks and such.
Ether I'm used to it or I'm crazy
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