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Old 09-21-2010, 09:31 PM
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Which format do you prefer for C&C, SA, DA, or DA/SA if you are planning to carry a pistol?
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:19 PM
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I have single action autos, Glocks and double action revolvers. I hate double action autos. Most of them have gruesome trigger pulls and too long of a trigger reach.

I carry my M1911, Hi Power, Glocks and revolvers interchangeably.
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I carry a DA Makarov normally. To me, it's DA pull is perfectly adequate. I also carry a S&W Model 10, with which I always practice DA.
Every now and then I carry a Combat Commander in .45. But not too often. I know it will seem silly, but I have never gotten completely comfortable with cocked and locked. I don't mind it for carrying, but when I get home, I don't feel comfortable with the chamber loaded and the safety on. Not really sure why. Just being honest.
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I love the 1911 for concealed carry. Cocked & locked is not a problem for me. Even cocked and locked does not allow for accidental discharge. There is still a matter of the grip safety and the slide safety. For a 1911 to fire, all the features have to come together at the same time. Side safety off, grip safety depressed and trigger pulled are all required before a discharge can happen and that assumes the gun to be cocked to begin with. The 1911 is perhaps the safest gun to carry in terms of accidental discharge.

Over the years, I have seen experienced police officers drop a revolver that sent a round through walls. I have seen an officer accidentally shoot another officer while securing his Glock. I have witnessed several discharges take place, some with injury, while holstering various brand and type guns. I witnessed first hand a semi snag on a chair bottom while grabbing a shoulder holster rig from the back of a chair causing the gun to discharge into the floor. None of these can happen with the 1911.
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FWIW, all my carry guns are hard-pull DA, no safety, just like a revolver. I like to keep it simple and also feel more secure with a trigger that needs a deliberate pull to fire. It's quick enough, with practice and wear.
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... The 1911 is perhaps the safest gun to carry in terms of accidental discharge.
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Over the years, I have seen experienced police officers drop a revolver that sent a round through walls. I have seen an officer accidentally shoot another officer while securing his Glock. I have witnessed several discharges take place, some with injury, while holstering various brand and type guns. I witnessed first hand a semi snag on a chair bottom while grabbing a shoulder holster rig from the back of a chair causing the gun to discharge into the floor. None of these can happen with the 1911.
The Heckler and Koch P7 series of semi-autos are the "safest" to carry in regard to accidental discharge. Two separate actions are required, and they must be simultaneous. Negligent discharge is always a possibility with any gun; accidental discharge with a P7 is well nigh impossible.

Sorry for the bit of thread drift...

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Following K.I.S.S.; double action only, no manual safeties.
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Oh, yes; back to the OP.

Both my carry guns (only one at a time) are double action, only. 642 and a 60 NY-1 with factory bobbed hammer.

I was trained to fire double action, only. When a LEO and then carrying a revolver for the first half of my career, single action shooting was prohibited; yes, hard to enforce but still a no, no.

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FWIW, all my carry guns are hard-pull DA, no safety, just like a revolver. I like to keep it simple and also feel more secure with a trigger that needs a deliberate pull to fire. It's quick enough, with practice and wear.

Same here....442 and P2000 LEM. Although my 442 is tuned pretty nicely and the Hk is only 8 pounds...
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DAO for me. DOA for the perp.
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I like DAO only, no manual safety, striker fired. Not much can go wrong, point and click. No hammer means nothing external to catch/snag, no manual safety means no worry of an extra step.
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I agree with Oldman45, but also like the S&W and SIG double-action autos. Since there is no really safe way to get a 1911 to Condition Two, I feel inclined to unload a 1911 when I put it away at the end of the day. The SIG's hammer is already down, so it does not make me feel that it needs to be unloaded.

IMHO, S&Ws are even better since the magazine disconnect is there and the gun can be rendered "temporarily safe" by removing the mag, but I do not shoot them as well as SIGs.

The DA/SA transition has never bothered me - maybe as a result of being an old DA revolver shooter that has had years to come to a pretty good understanding of the properties of both mechanisms.
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For autos: I prefer SA only and will tolerate SA/DA. I have some DAOs but don't care for them as much.

For revolvers: I prefer DA/SA and will tolerate SA only. I never cared for DAO in a revolver at all and wouldn't own one.
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Im with Barb on this one. We all have our preferences. I do not like to carry SA auto pistols cocked and locked. I hate safetys and always believe that in a stress situation one may just for a split moment forget to flip the safe off when suddenly confronted. I prefer DA only no safety. With adrenilin pumping I dont think the long pull of a DA is even noticed. I prefer revolvers to semi autos anyway except that they are limited with capacity. I have a keltec and it has the worst trigger pull I have ever experienced, makes my Sigma feel as if it was SA....but I know I have to pull the trigger. In the Army we were not permitted to carry our 1911's cocked and locked....I hated to carry it on duty because a gun wihout immediate ability to fire is like no gun at all. My humble opinion, and as I said we all have our "druthers"
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Im with Barb on this one. We all have our preferences. I do not like to carry SA auto pistols cocked and locked. I hate safetys and always believe that in a stress situation one may just for a split moment forget to flip the safe off when suddenly confronted. I prefer DA only no safety. With adrenilin pumping I dont think the long pull of a DA is even noticed. I prefer revolvers to semi autos anyway except that they are limited with capacity. I have a keltec and it has the worst trigger pull I have ever experienced, makes my Sigma feel as if it was SA....but I know I have to pull the trigger. In the Army we were not permitted to carry our 1911's cocked and locked....I hated to carry it on duty because a gun wihout immediate ability to fire is like no gun at all. My humble opinion, and as I said we all have our "druthers"
My reluctance to carry a 1911 cocked and locked stems not so much from the carrying of it, but from getting it home and then unloading it. If I'm not constantly using the gun, I unload it and I don't like constantly chambering and unchambering rounds. Safety issues aside, I worry about bullets being pushed into the case. My Makarov stays loaded because I'm usually carrying it and my S&W Model 10 presents no such problem.
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I like Kahr DAO or Sig DAK

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The other nice thing about a Mak is that if you do need to unload it, you can safely reload it by just dropping the first round directly into the chamber.

The Mak is not designed to have the round strip off the magazine under the extractor. So there's no need to worry about the round being shortened by the bullet frequently hitting the feed ramp.
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In pistols, I carry a Glock 27 or a Kel-Tec .380. Although the triggers feel very different, the guns themselves are the same in that there is nothing to do BUT pull the trigger as is the case with many of the DAO types discussed. (Sounds a lot like a revolver, doesn't it?)

Anything can be learned and adapted to with training/practice, but I still prefer the "KISS" principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid).
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I have carried a 1911 in condition one and have no problem with doing so. That being said my carry rotation now is a 642, Glock 23 and Kahr CW40, all point gun and pull trigger styles. One of my main reasons is that one or two of them are at home available to my wife when I'm away or at work. Since she is not into guns she wants the simplest to use tool available.
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I'm starting to think the ideal gun for me would be a gun like the M&P .40 with the thumb safety. I'm used to years and years of "offing" the safety as I draw and then activating it before I reholster. A lot of accidental discharges happen when reholstering, and during a stressful situation you are going to be looking at the events around you and not down at your holster. With the safety on, you don't have to worry about part of your jacket or shirt getting in the trigger guard, or a limb from a bush, etc. while you are inserting the gun in the holster. I have heard of cases of officers handcuffing a suspect in a scuffle after a shooting, and in all the comotion, when they reholstered their weapon they forgot to decock it. I have also heard of cases when people forget to apply the safety of their 1911 when they reholster, but if that happened with an M&P it would still be as safe as Glock, Springfield XD, or non safety M&P.
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DAO for both revolvers and semi-autos.
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I've never carried a handgun with a manual safety, so my preference is DAO or DA/SA. In a DAO action, Sig's DAK is a very sweet trigger to shoot with, very very revolver like in feel. However, my personal carry choice is currently a Sig P239 with the DA/SA trigger. When I've been practicing with it the transition doesn't bother me a bit. However after spending most of my range time this summer shooting my 617 to save money I've found that I am now a bit more accurate with the P239 on the first DA shot than I am with the subsequent SA shots.
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I love shooting 1911s but I don't find them ideal for carry. A big problem, as mentioned, is no safe way to go from Condition 1 to Condition 2 without unchambering the round. Having to rechamber rounds, especially on a 8 round rotation, could get dangerous fast.

Ive carried DASA, SAO, DAO, and I currently love the M&P9 with only the mag disconnect safety.

I prefer "Condition Zero" as offered by the current combat tupperware...
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DA/SA No bobbed or hammerless, no striker fired and all metal and de-cock only.
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I like my 649, SA/DA with nothing to snag, as I like most folks am more accurate in SA which works well since it has CT Laser grips. In an auto I like the MP9c in DAO. The gun was designed primarily to be a concealed weapon aimed (no pun intended), at the LEO market. My second auto is the Bersa Thunder CC and while it is SA/DA I never carry it cocked and locked.
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