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Old 10-24-2010, 06:41 PM
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PersonalSecurity: You have the "right to kill the attacker" in Michigan?

Though not conversant with Michigan state law I doubt that is expressed as part of applicable law(s.)

If I may, I suggest you use the words "right to stop the attacker."

Feel free to disregard this, if you choose.

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No, you are absolutely correct. I used bad wording on that, and I apologize. What I mean is that as armed citizens, we either have the right to use deadly force or we don't. There is no gray area. You will hear people talk about the police's use of force and say "why don't they just shoot to injure? just aim for the knees or something?" What they don't realize is that for an officer, or armed citizen, to use their gun, they must have the right to stop the attacker by deadly force.

There is no right to pull the gun and threaten. There is no right to injure someone. If these two things stop the situation from escalating, then thats great for everybody. But remember, the only time your gun can leave your holster is if you have the right to potentialy take the attackers life in self defense. It doesn't mean that it has to end this way, but you must be in a position in which you feel deadly force is the only solution to prevent great bodily harm upon yourself.

I do agree, I should have worded it better, but the meaning is the same. If someone does think that there is a right to intimidate with a gun to stop a potential situation or the right to injure before a fear of great bodily harm arises, they will most likely find themselves on the wrong side of a set of bars.

This is an important thing to know as a CCW/armed citizen. It is also to check your state law - particularly the Castle Doctrine (or lack thereof).

Also, if anyone takes my posts as being the type of person who is quick on the trigger or encourages killing someone, that is the exact opposite of the type of person I am. I would do everything in my power to prevent a situation from reaching the level that requires the application of deadly force. If I knew I was in immediate risk of death or great bodily harm to myself or a loved one, I would unfortunately have to defend myself. It is our responsibility as gun owners to know the laws and consider our firearms the last resort between us and death.

Again, i'm not trying to make anyone mad and I am trying to give good advice for those who concealed carry. If you disagree with me, by all means check your state laws. There is a suprising amount of difference between state to state. If I am wrong on something, please let me know. I've been wrong a time or two, but self defense and the law are kind of in my lane in life. And hopefully none of us are ever put in these situations.

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Old 10-30-2010, 05:29 PM
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You'll get tired of carrying all that weight really fast.
Ammo is too expensive for a sufficient amount of practice shooting.
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...if an attacker fled after being the object of deadly force and the "good guy" chopped off his head with an axe after catching him. Yes, the use of the axe is a extreme; I submit you would be in trouble with the law if you shot him then.
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If you lopped off his head with the axe TO catch him, or to prevent him from fleeing again, that would be quite legal in Michigan. Fleeing felons are still considered fair game, affirmed by the State Supreme Court into modern times. It's a rough place Michigan is.

In Michigan, coercion is also an allowed defense to murder. In most states, it is not.
(Source - Used to live in Lansing. Two years of law school.)
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As soon as I can find a holster, I'm using this for concealed carry. Follow-up shots might be a bit difficult but a properly placed first shot will most likely do the job.
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Consider that we have no right to engage unless we expect immediate bodily harm. . . .

I agree that you should engage the target, cease, and engage again if needed.
I don't understand this. If you are hypothesing a mortal attack on yourself, why would you cease before the threat is obviously disabled, like maybe on the floor with the gun out of his hand and no other unfriendly participants? It seems to me that engaging and ceasing before the threat is obviously disabled is inviting getting shot. It doesn't take much to pull a trigger.

Could you explain where I misunderstand what you are saying?
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Why Hell Fire Boys,

That there 500 ain't no bug...But,

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If you're man enought to conceal carry a 500Mag I'm not real sure you even need a gun. Oh my!
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Default A few things overlooked in this thread....

I carry tiny little things that I can carry without holsters - not very effective perhaps, but I always have one or more. My typical carry is a Keltec P3AT .380 with the laser so it has any hope of hitting humans at 25 yds or a car engine area at 50. I also carry a little .22 NAA as a reserve, and a decent max length folding knife.

That is on my person. I live in my cars. Even when away, I am not far away. My 2 1/2 in (or whatever that is) .500SW is frequently in my glove box or console, as is one of my Witness 10mms. I shoot alot, but there is always a utility rifle of some sort in the trunk as well - often an old beater bolt action thing like a Mauser or Mosin or the current little Steyr M95 - or a beater AR or AK.

First thing not raised is utility against vehicles. Road attacks are extremely common - and by far the most likely I am to run into, pardon the pun. Here a much higher power round like the .500 or .454 comes into its own (I also sometimes carry my 9.5in SRH .454 instead of the .500.) In today's metro areas, gas stations, etc., the ability to quickly disable a car may be far more critical than quickly drawing and firing an assaulting pedestrian.

A decent high powered round should easily be able to destroy critical components such as fuel injection, ignition, timing chains or even upper valve train if fired at the high center of the engine compartment - front the front or especially from the side. (Forget aiming to flatten tires or radiator or other such minor targets - aim for what will make it rapidly stop as you rapidly get away from it.)

Now some huge negatives:

SOUND!!! I dropped any thought of carrying .45 after I tried shooting both of mine with no hearing protectors. Within 3 rounds I had tinnitus for the day and was nearly stunned. Oddly 800ft-lb 10mm doesn't have this effect, although .223 pistols do as well. I am never go to try my .454 or .500 that way. I know if i have to fire it, I will experience severe piercing pain from the first shot. How many try that with the gun they carry every day? You should.

My .500 is a stunningly accurate pistol, for all of its silly little barrel. Nevertheless, after a couple of cylinders, I'm flinching decently - oddly less than with my .454. If I had to shoot that double action? I might as well throw it at them.

Flash, oddly, many consider, but I find not that bad. I've had the opportunity to shoot a fair amount near and after dark and had little crippling effect from it.

Others mentioned the reloading aspect and 5 round capacity. (I didn't know anyone made speedloaders! I've been looking! I found some clever ammo holding strips from Midway or Brownell's that are handy for carrying the ammo, but no actual speedloaders!)

I think too much concern is given to hitting bystanders. Don't get me wrong there - if you do and you aren't working for the state, you are in terrible shape. (Don't get me wrong there, either - you will be in some trouble if you're behind a badge too, if you hit or kill a third party in a gun fight, but the odds are it won't involve a criminal conviction, day in jail or dollar out of your personal bank account.)

Anyhow, the reason is simple probability. ANY medium or more powered round COULD, of course, hit someone else - and many could do it AFTER hitting the bad guy - but although it happens, it's extremely unlikely except int he most crowded of situations, where one is not as likely to be attacked in the first place.

Some of this can be ameliorated with the use of fragmenting bullets or reduced loads - but that somewhat defeats the purpose (although a 2000 ft-lb bullet disintegrating inside a bad guy is pretty much like a death ray hit!)

My little "HellBoy BackUp" is not really that heavy or large. I live in too warm a climate for even sportscoats outside most of the year, so I don't carry on a hip in other than an IWB, but it would be as doable as a full sized ParaOrd ore one of my fullsized steel Witnesses. Possibly it could be carried in some IWB rig, but I have never tried.

For an in-car or at home or very cold weather/backwoods option - it is not that bad a choice. On the person, somewhat less so.

OhOhOh....in Texas country, don't forget use on feral hogs which are overrunning everywhere and pretty aggressive - although I think I would prefer more rounds with less recoil, like from one of my 10mm's.
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You'd fit in the hood cause "You'd be lookin' like a fool with the pants on the ground." I carry an SP 101 357 snubbie or an MP 40 and they will take down most anything.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,the wonderfull sound of a 500 S&W mag in a 2.5 inch barrel going KABOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMSKI on a Badguy. Like one of Johnny cash songs after the shooting,PICKEM UP ONE PIECE AT A TIME.
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carry it. I have carried a full framed steel Witness in 10mm often, though, and had no problems. While I more often carried the compact steel Witness, I never had much problem. I did have to be picky with the shorts I wore and modify them all to use paracord for a drawstring through an external sliplock thing I got from REI - and it did always leave an indentation all the way around from it, but I never had it slip. In jeans I never had a problem. I always used a Kydex IWB with a sleeveless outer button-up work shirt (unbuttoned, like a thin vest) over it.

I even occasionally carried my suppressed Glock 20 that way - no one ever noticed, but it was weird sitting down with something that went halfway to your knee!

The shoulder rig would probably be better, but, except when I was in the 170's for a few years about two years ago, I could never reach it, as can few fat guys or most women, unless they have an extra arm segment surgically added...
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Sometimes I have to remember that not everyone has BGNBD (big gut no butt disease) like me. At 6' 3" 280 lbs. I have gravity trouble with a heavy sidearm.
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.500 S&W for CC? Good luck in civil court if God forbid you ever have to use it.........I hope you hit the attacker(s) and don't ever miss, and the guy doesn't survive to come back and sue you.

And if the round goes through the bad guy or if you miss and hit an innocent bystander......the prosecutor and/or the victims lawyer will eat you for breakfast.......remember, YOU own the bullets that come out of your gun, even if they land 400 yards away in someone's living room or car. I wouldn't want to defend myself in court because I used a hand held elephant gun to "defend myself" and killed someone's Grandma 200 yards away, sad to say you'll be painted as a "Rambo Dirty Harry wannabe out looking for a reason to use a grossly overpowered handgun"
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Personally a 5 shot revolver might be a little light in the capacity area. The idea is sound though so why not a custom shoulder holster to carry a pair of 500 mags, one for each hand! That will give you 10 rounds of firepower that even with a miss will blind and deafen your attacker from the sound and muzzle flash.
Just my 2 cents worth to this ridicules thread

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WHY NOT??
I would suggest a custom shoulder holster from "ray@lobogunleather.com"

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Please recnsider your choice of CCW. There is a good chance of over penetration w/the outcome of an innocent bystander being injured. I'm the veteran of two gunfights w/ .38 +P during my LEO days. That round proved to be more than enough to end the problem with the result of me enjoying my grandchildren, and the BG in another world.
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Instant and permanent hearing loss will occur when shooting the 500 or 460 especially using Hornady ammo. So unless you are wearing electronic muffs expect to go deaf!
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As I mentioned earlier, I carry a 4" 500 quite a bit, usually open on a belt holster but sometimes concealed in a (large) fanny-pack. I have also hunted with an 8 3/8" and have shot, handloaded, and chronographed a lot of loads in both guns. I do not CCW the 500 in an urban setting. It is, for me, a backcountry gun. I live in NW Montana and this is grizzly country. I own some acerage on the Swan River in an area where griz are often seen, and I have found tracks and scat of both griz and wolves on my property, although have never actually seen either of those species of critter there 'in the flesh'. I hike sometimes in Glacier National Park, and now that CCW in parks is legal, and given the number of griz in that particular park (and a number of fatal maulings over the past several decades), consider the 500 in a fanny-pack to be mandatory equipment there. I realize that one may be just as likely to be attacked by a two-legged predator in a national park, or even moreso in some, but I think one needs to arm himself for his biggest potential opponent, not the smallest one.

The 500, more than any handgun I have ever owned, inspires confidence. I shot a deer with the longer gun once, a good sized buck at about 40 yards, and it anchored him, literally slapped him to the ground, DRT. I've shot deer with 357s and seen them shot with 44 Mags and the 454 Casul, and there's really no comparison. I honestly think I'd feel no less well-armed in a face-off with an ornery grizzly with the 500 versus any bolt-action hunting rifle on the planet.

The load I have settled on is a handloaded equivalent of the 440 grain flat nosed gas-checked SWC Cor-Bon.

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Softball sized holes or not, it's merely a matter of what it's loaded with as in any firearm used for carry. Shoot the wrong (or sometimes right) person with a mouse gun loaded with Glaser Safety slugs and watch the circus follow that one in the courts. Just the same with any such caliber. Folk don't usually shoot well with the highest power loads anyway.

I am and always have been a big fan of the "larger hole" theory and have preferred to get there is bullet diameter and weight rather than higher and higher velocities. Another reason for the choice of 45 LC when starting my run in SASS (Single action Shooting). I used full case loads of black behind a 300 grain slug and just had a blast and with a powerful, but rather slow moving slug. Big point is that it was NOT painful or inaccurate to shoot.

I'm right now looking for the mold of the slug I'll be casting for my 4" 500 magnum and it's between a couple of designs. On that I helped create is a lengthened nose section, round nose, plain base bullet that's around 575 grains. (500 was my starting point). In this quest I've found what may be the biggest and best bullet to have, a 710 grain monster that only tapers in on this semi-wadcutter design, the least little bit at the nose. The nos section is at such a length so as to come just 1/32" shy of the end of the Smith 500 mag cylinder, so there isn't much more than can be put in that case. I'll load this to what many might call blooper velocities, yet can you imagine getting hit at any velocity with 710 grains? I've not seen too many bullet proof vest owners/manufacturers volunteering to be shot with a 12 gauge slug at any velocity, so much the same here. It might not be worth a poop at 100 yards or even at 50, but when was the last time you remember someone needing to shoot someone at that distance and is not spending the rest of their life in jail. At 50-100 yards, most think that getting away would have been the most prudent response rather than shooting. I now think I've just convinced myself to go with that 710 grainer. Yep that's it for sure. Smithy.
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If you go to the Big and Tall store and ask for the special even-bigger stuff in the back, sure.

If you pay for two plates at an all-you-can-eat buffet, sure.

If you tear out the front bucket in your 1 ton truck...because you have to sit in the back to work the pedals, sure.

In all seriousness, a really big guy could pull it off with a heavy jacket. The butt will still be up in the armpit on a belt carry.

Others have covered the legal ramifications. It's obviously a landmine to carry a handgun intended for shooting large game.
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Did I miss something here? mg357 is talking about 4 legged animals not 2 legged ones.
To answer your question mg357. The 500 mag is too heavy, way to much recoil for fast follow up shots if needed and way to difficult to accurately shoot in a hurry if you were surprised by a bear or mountain lion.


When hunting in the deep woods of Maine and Vermont, I started out carrying a Ruger Blackhawk 44 mag with 6” bbl. After some thought and use of that gun in this situation, I down sized to a Ruger 41 mag with 6” bbl (it also comes in a 4.6” bbl). It had less recoil, faster follow up shots and only a minimal downsize in power (with the right loads). It would handle any Black Bear, Mountain Lion or Bob Cat! JMO

In the 41 mag I shot 210gr vs 240gr in the 44mg (Below specs for Underwood ammo).
The muzzle energy is around 1135 ft/lbs for the 41mag.
The muzzle energy is around 1199 ft/lbs for the 44 mag.

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I recall once seeing a guy on another forum (can't remember which one) who carried a S&W M500 with a 3" barrel as an EDC, but then again, he lived in Alaska, not Illinois.

Furthermore, unless you're likely to encounter the absolute biggest, baddest bears in North America, you're probably better off carrying something smaller, lighter, easier to shoot, yet still totally effective.

Folks tend to be of the opinion that anything less than .44 Magnum is inadequate for defense against predatory animals, but in reality most animals across the United States can be dealt with using non-magnum cartridges like .44 Special or .45 Long Colt when it comes to Black Bear, and for smaller predatory animals like Mountain Lions you can actually get away with using standard duty cartridges like 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.
Coyotes? Pfft... People have been known to drop Coyotes with Pocket Pistols. Heck, Ruger actually did a run of Limited Edition Coyote Brown LCPs after a Governor successfully used an LCP to drop a Coyote who was attacking his dog.
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I decided that the S&W offering in 500 Magnum was too heavy,, and 4" was too long for the barrel.

SO,,

I had this the barrel and cylinder of this gun rebored to 500 MAGNUM.



The "Safety Lock" was converted to a cylinder lock.
After loading,
the new function of the lock is to keep the cylinder from flying open when the higher powered 500 Magnum round is fired.
The conversion of the lock function from passive, to active took 3 days of design effort, and 2 days of CNC programming,
and two days of tooling design, and part manufacturer.

Due to accurate CNC 3D modeling, the actual parts worked to perfection the first time.

All new parts that were added are made of precipitation hardening 17-4 PH stainless steel.
Final heat treat of those parts take about one day of actual oven time.
A 0.000001 TORR programmable vacuum furnace was used for the heat treat.

The one exception it the actual tip of the locking pin.
The tip is investment cast MetalTek RENE® 77 Centri-Vac Nickel Cobalt Based Alloy,,
the only material that I could find that would hold up to the 500 Magnum full power cartridges.

The "Key" for the cylinder lock dangles from a titanium chain that connects to the lanyard loop.
This picture was taken before the titanium chain arrived from Gun Broker.

NOW, I have the perfect backup carry gun.

You do not want to see what my main carry gun is,,,
and, do not ask how long the main carry gun took to develop,,,,,,,,





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I shot a 4-inch barrelled .500 once.....my entire hand tingled for a few seconds! The owner that loaned it to me laughed but I wasn't offended.

I have a friend that carried a Desert Eagle .50 AE concealed for many years and used it to stop several crimes and even held offenders at gun point until police arrived. He's a big guy and carried it in a sort of makeshift shoulder holster.

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I decided that the S&W offering in 500 Magnum was too heavy,, and 4" was too long for the barrel.

SO,,

I had this the barrel and cylinder of this gun rebored to 500 MAGNUM.



The "Safety Lock" was converted to a cylinder lock.
After loading,
the new function of the lock is to keep the cylinder from flying open when the higher powered 500 Magnum round is fired.
The conversion of the lock function from passive, to active took 3 days of design effort, and 2 days of CNC programming,
and two days of tooling design, and part manufacturer.

Due to accurate CNC 3D modeling, the actual parts worked to perfection the first time.

All new parts that were added are made of precipitation hardening 17-4 PH stainless steel.
Final heat treat of those parts take about one day of actual oven time.
A 0.000001 TORR programmable vacuum furnace was used for the heat treat.

The one exception it the actual tip of the locking pin.
The tip is investment cast MetalTek RENE® 77 Centri-Vac Nickel Cobalt Based Alloy,,
the only material that I could find that would hold up to the 500 Magnum full power cartridges.

The "Key" for the cylinder lock dangles from a titanium chain that connects to the lanyard loop.
This picture was taken before the titanium chain arrived from Gun Broker.

NOW, I have the perfect backup carry gun.

You do not want to see what my main carry gun is,,,
and, do not ask how long the main carry gun took to develop,,,,,,,,





LOL, Nice write up. How did you keep the 500 chambers small enough to fit 6 of them in a N frame cylinder??? I couldn't even get 5 to work in mine, so I shortened a 5 shot X frame cylinder so it fit one of my N frames. I had to relieve the top and bottom of the frame window a bit. I used model 329 Scandium alloy frame with the plug and replaced all the cylinder lock up springs with stronger ones and added a double ball detent lock to the yoke. I had to fashion an over sized thumb piece so I could push it hard enough to open the cylinder.

Recovery time between first and second shot is substantial as I am still waiting to get the cast off.

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I carry a 5" 629 "Classic" (full-underlug) .44mag, from pajamas-off until pajamas-on, every day. In a homemade under-the-shirt cloth vertical shoulder holster. Very comfortable and well-concealed. Could I carry a 6-1/2" X500 in something similar? I don't know, but I suspect I could.
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Could I carry a 6-1/2" X500 in something similar? I don't know, but I suspect I could.
I'm now not so sure I could. S&W's webpage no longer shows the 6-1/2" X500 as available ... only two are listed: a 4" and an 8-1/2". The 4" weighs 55.6 oz, versus 44.7 for my 5" 629. That's a bigger difference than I expected. I could probably carry it in my homemade cloth shoulder holster rig, but I would probably be well aware of its weight, and probably wouldn't be completely comfortable carrying it all my waking hours like I am with my 5" 629.
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What ever floats your boat man. Personally I think you should quit drinking your breakfast and smoking your lunch, but I carry a 2 shot .38 so who am I to judge
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I've never held a 4inch 500... however my brother has a 454 casull super Alaskan the 2in variant and the thing is a tank.... why am I telling you this !?!? He appendix CC the dang thing ! Hahahah. And is very proficient with the gun...
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No need to use a big 4" 500. You can downsize to a PC 3.5" available at a dealer near you or if you really want to go "small" you can find one of those unicorn 500s made in 2006-2007 with a 2.75" barrel. Now in my mind that is a perfect valid CCW but I would only carry it only in a shoulder holster.
To the OPs 2nd question that few seemed to read or answer after teh 01/24 edit..... The 4" 500 would be perfectly suited as a woods carry gun against bears. That's primarily what they are marketed for. Although I would still carry it in a chest holster.
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Carry what ever your competent with and if it makes you smile. I carried a 4” 500 when in the Alaska outdoors along with my 375 H&H. I usually didn’t change guns if I had business in town - just carried what I had. Generally speaking it is a little large for ccw purposes, but carry what you want. There are plenty of folks who think it’s necessary to ccw with multiple spare magazines and 40+ rounds of ammo and or multiple guns, flashlights, pepper spray, etc. Carry what you want to legally carry.
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I've got one, and I sure wouldn't want to pack it for everyday carry!
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Why would one carry a .500?

C'mon, we all know the answer: "because they don't make a .501."

BTW, I recently got a model 69. I usually carry an M&P 9c IWB, and the 69 is just as comfortable. Yeah, I'd use Specials, but if I needed magnums, it's manageable.

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One more thing I forgot to foolishly mention when I originally posted this thread was this the kind of concealed carry I am talking about is against animals you know bears bobcats you know dangerous four legged threats Not I repeat Not people.
LOL, your a better man than me if you can shoot a .500 Magnum accurately especially under a bear attack scenario!!! The largest I have carried and shot is a .44 Magnum. When I scouted in western Wyoming in grizzly use areas I carried a Ruger Redhawk 5.5" .44 magnum loaded with Randy Garrett 330grain Hammerheads that are rated at 1400fps out of a 7.5"bbl. That is more than enough of a handful for me and I'm a big guy that is not recoil shy. Before buying my gun I talked personally with Randy Garrett and came to the conclusion that with his loads in .44 Magnum considering the time on target recoil recovery, depth of penetration, and the actual field reports from the Montana Game Dept. that carried the load when dealing with problem grizzlies it was my best choice. Oh, there is nothing wrong with a good +P loaded .45 Colt, .454 Casull, or any of the big bore magnums. My thinking went that I wanted something I could get ammo for easily, so I could practice with, the best section density penetration ammo like the 330 grain Randy Garrett Hammerheads or Buffalo Bore 340 grain hard cast solid +P loads. You want deep penetration that can break heavy bones and still keep penetrating. Montana Game wardens who have been forced to use the 330gr. Hammerheads on frontal shots on big problem grizzly have reported penetration to the hip line. Now that is penetration on a grizzly.

Now days you can get .44 Magnums from 2.5" on up but if you are going to carry it for bear defense it has to be instantly available. I used to hunt elk in blowdown timber above Jackson Hole, Wyoming. If you bumped into a grizzly in that thick stuff it could be at hand shaking distances at worst with next to no time to think, only to react if it charges. When hunting elk I carried a custom .375 H&H rifle for that very reason with my Ruger .44 Mag on my hip. If I was lucky I might get off one shot with the rifle before a grizzly would take it away from me; then it was me and the bear one on one with the Ruger. That is why I carried it as a last ditch chance when the bear is on top of you. You want something you can control with one hand as your other arm is going to be busy trying to keep him from killing you while you fire that revolver anywhere in the chest and head you can. You don't want something that will fly out of your one hand when it is slick with your own blood. Praise God nothing ever happened!

Now believe me your first choice is always bear spray HOWEVER when you are at point blank range and you have the rifle in your hands there is no time for bear spray if the grizzly comes for you as they are scary fast.

I spent quite a few years researching this subject including discussions with James Gary Shelton, who I consider the top expert in the field of surviving Bear Attacks. I have all of his books on the subject and can't recommend them highly enough!!! I met him when he was researching my friend's death by that black bear in Colorado.

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I’ve been in situations where your ‘woods gun’ is your CC gun on the way to & from the bush. Under those circumstances it’s perfectly normal to holster the big-bore for the trip.

Now for me, ‘normally’ a lighter weight 40 S&W is enough for woods carry. I save the heavier stuff for only in higher likelihood bear areas.
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Heck, OP, if you bought the 500, and you're only using it for 4-legged critters, go for it! And, before you get back to your base, car, barn, whatever, find a target and shoot the thing. Not a rock, though! Whatever way is the most comfortable for you. It doesn't have to be conceal carry, but man, that's a heavy piece for a hike. Stay away from the deep end of the water!
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