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Old 05-06-2016, 08:44 PM
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As last resort, Yes. With the newer more reliable and hyper velocity 22lr's I'd give the 22 a better chance though. I've had to defend myself from 3 dogs out on the trail with a 22lr kit gun. I took it that they were up to no good when one of them started circling to my back side while the other two faced me off on the trail.
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sorry to but in, but i'm just tired of people saying 22lrs are unreliable.
you are talking about bulk ammo.
i have never had a misfire with premium 22s, n i shoot lots.
10.000 rounds in the past year.
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sorry to but in, but i'm just tired of people saying 22lrs are unreliable.
you are talking about bulk ammo.
i have never had a misfire with premium 22s, n i shoot lots.
10.000 rounds in the past year.
Nope, it is quite alright.....bulk ammo in any caliber can be 'problematic' for some shooters and some guns.

I have found that I really like the CCI Velictors (sp?) in my 63 snubbie as well as my NAA 22LR (really really tiny revolver).

You will pay a premium for quality rounds, but why would you skimp on something that mat be needed to save your life? That is like buying a soviet mil-surf life raft for your 2.3 million motor yacht.

It seems there is premier and boutique ammo available for most any mass produced gun these days.
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As for .25acp pistols, Bogart wasn't very frightened by them.....

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There is definitely a cool factor to the little 25s, but in the real world the smallest I go is 32acp in a Kel-Tec P32 and that is not the primary unless maybe I am going out to get the trash can from the curb.
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The .25 ACP cartridge, and guns made to fire them, are very close to the top of the "Love to Hate" list. I don't think that there are very many times that I would chose to carry my one Colt .25 auto, for defense, and never have, but only because I have a Seecamp .32 ACP, that I consider a better choice. That being said I would not hesitate to use my little Colt .25 ACP. if need be. I wonder how many of the classic stories being told about the use of the .25, and it's spectacular failures could be substantiated, and how many are fiction? The .25 did the job required of it for many years, so why not give it credit, for the job that it did until better choices came along, and quit dragging it through the mud? It's a little like condemning the Model T Ford, because there are Ford Mustangs out there. It's real easy to do, I confess, I catch myself doing it. I catch myself condemning the excellent S&W weapons containing lock holes.
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My post for this thread that refuses to go away...
I'm sure everyone has heard about the woman that used a .25 for primary bear defense when her and her significant other were hiking in bear country. She carried a .25 to shoot her companion in the foot as she ran away if a bear encounter occurred.
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My wife had a Colt JR 25 for a few years. She finally sold it and I got her a model 60 S&W lady smith in 38.
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OK...I’ve had it!
Everywhere you look on the God, (Or Gore Given Internet!), mouse gun calibers, in particular the 25 acp...is talked about as just pissin a perp off if you shoot him with it! OMG...enough! I was an LEO in a large metropolitan area for 36 years...part of that time as a detective. I spent many hours in the morgue..and can tell you from ACTUAL experience that small calibers can...and will do the job. I call BS on the apocryphal tales of small calibers just irritating the perp! Sure..if you knew you were going to war..so to speak..a larger caliber means a bigger hole! As for stopping power from ANY handgun caliber..it is pretty much a myth. If you need real stopping power..DON’T use a handgun of any caliber. Use a 12 guage or a 50 BMG! Otherwise, its all about shot placement and familiarity with your platform of choice! Do not for one minute believe that a 45 acp will blow a mans arm off at the elbow, or that a one shot stop with any handgun caliber is the norm! It just ain’t so!!! Buy the weapon you’re comfortable with and become more than proficient with it. Your efforts will be more than amply rewarded! Get over the caliber wars ****! Just do your due diligence, practice and train! Now..I know this post is bound to start a flame war...So Be It! But I speak from many years of REAL EXPERIENCE..and not from internet expertise! Let’s get real here..and understand the limitations of any handgun platform for self defense. Nothing in ANY handgun caliber is a magic solution to an SD situation...PERIOD! Feel free to flame me here..I expect it! But don’t let internet EXPERTS give you false..(bottle) courage! It just ain’t realistic!
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Found a 950BS recently and love it.

I had that same weapon years ago. It was smaller and flatter than the double action version. I much preferred the single action.

I trained by "lacing up". The gun held 8 rounds of .25, and was extremely reliable. The first round went to the abdomen, and then I'd fire off the remaining 7 rounds each about 2" higher than the previous. That would cover from the abdomen to the forehead on most people and would include a shot to the throat and one to the mouth/nose.

A heavy coat would minimize the damage to the thorax, but the neck, and face would be unprotected. It is an easy techinique to master on a .25 which has almost no kick at all. Back in the late 1970s it was a better choice than the High Standard 2 shot derringner (.22 magnum) which was dreadfully unreliable.

Nowadays I would go for a .32 or .380 which are available in small sizes. If you have a weak grip, the flip up barrel is a huge advantage. You don't have to jack back the slide which for some people may be the deciding factor.

Beretta made an 86 (.380 full size pistol) with a tip up barrel too. I'm fairly certain it is out of production now.
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I'm sure everyone has heard about the woman that used a .25 for primary bear defense when her and her significant other were hiking in bear country. She carried a .25 to shoot her companion in the foot as she ran away if a bear encounter occurred.
I realize this is an old post.

But then, that is an old joke that has been retold 1,547,211 times.

And, by now the bears have read it too, so they just go after the person with the mouse gun first.

They figure after they eat the person with the gun, they can always swing back and catch the person shot in the foot for their next meal.

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In terms of it being a good choice for an effective personal defense weapon, not really. It could and has been successfully used for self-defense, but there are just too many better options available in more potent calibers, equally as small, that pretty much anyone can handle to seriously consider it. 9mm/.38 special is as small as I currently care to go although I might be ok with a .380. I'm still on the fence with .380 ACP, but I would say I'd still feel decently armed with one(as long as it's proven reliable) whereas I would personally feel woefully underarmed with only a .25 ACP.
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HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! A thread that won't go away. I love it. I bet if I search I have an old post in there somewhere.

Unkei, what made you start this again?

I carried a Beretta 950-BS ,25 ACP like the gun shown for years and years. Why? Because it could go anywhere. A gun is what you need and it's a gun. Before concealed carry I still carried that gun every single day. Some time thereafter I switched to a M642 but I still have that Beretta and other .25s and a Seecamp .32. If I have to carry light then I carry light. Any gun will do when you need a gun and can't carry a big one.

Since I never go unarmed I carry this every day IN MY HOUSE:



.22 WRM. Two shots. Gives me time to fight my way to a bigger gun that is handy in the house - and there are a few of those.

The CZ Duo used to be my carry gun when I visited my family. I kept it store in my late, lamented mother's condominium. The Beretta I discussed. The modern manufacture PSA Baby Browning is another .25 ACP take it anywhere gun.



Then there is the .32.



If all you have available are large guns you WILL run into occasions/situations where they won't go. These mouseguns are here to substitute. .22, .25. .32 - all of them will do the job if you do yours.
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Sorry! See next! Posted by error!
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Hi ISCS Yoda,
First..apologies for bumping an old thread...but...having some real world experience, I just feel strongly that people need to be informed about actual fact. No such thing as one shot stops, or the ideal handgun cartridge! And...I don’t just carry mouseguns..I own 36 handguns ranging from 22 lr to 45 acp and 45 Colt..(please don’t call it 45 Long Colt! Just ain’t necessary anymore!) And..just shoot me now..I really like SA Revolvers and have many. But..my 1911s get adequate attention too. Don’t have any long guns..don’t hunt. Got nothing against eating Bambi...just don’t feel the need to do the job myself! Do need a nice scatter gun though! My favorite DA Revolver is my Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 Special! Just like that dang cartridge! Sorry to be so long winded!
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I've seen many a body in the morgue shot with a .22 LR. It didn't usually kill them right away, but they usually succumbed to the internal injuries and internal bleeding.
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On the other hand, I shot a Cottontail twice with a 45ACP and had to stomp on it's head to put it out of it's misery.

You got to put them in the boiler room to do any good.
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Hey, Unkei, it's okay by me, I was just curious how it happened.

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I have more than that in my S&W Forum albums and they do range in caliber from .22 LR to .45/c. Four of them are in .45/c actually and three of those are Single Action style. I played cowboy action shooting games for a long time. I feel well armed with a single action revolver; they're just too big to tote around every day. 1911s are fine; I just don't care for them.

The point being, whatever the caliber, it's a gun if and when you need it. My preference runs to K frame .38s, actually, and compact 9mms. But I still pop a mousegun in my pocket occasionally.
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I wondered where the dead horse went.

While the corn pops, I'll stir the pot with a rebuttal of the High Standard .22 Mag being unreliable. Mine never failed and I shot it regularly. It was only retired because .380s got smaller and more reliable.
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As for .25acp pistols, Bogart wasn't very frightened by them.....

The Maltese Falcon (2/10) Movie CLIP - Joel Cairo (1941) HD - YouTube
I'm not surprised, after all he wasn't frightened by wilmer .45

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All those that have been shot by a .25 and are still around. Are welcome to share their personnal experience.
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Everywhere you look on the God, (Or Gore Given Internet!), mouse gun calibers, in particular the 25 acp...is talked about as just pissin a perp off if you shoot him with it! OMG...enough! I was an LEO in a large metropolitan area for 36 years...part of that time as a detective. I spent many hours in the morgue..and can tell you from ACTUAL experience that small calibers can...and will do the job. I call BS on the apocryphal tales of small calibers just irritating the perp! Sure..if you knew you were going to war..so to speak..a larger caliber means a bigger hole! As for stopping power from ANY handgun caliber..it is pretty much a myth. If you need real stopping power..DON’T use a handgun of any caliber. Use a 12 guage or a 50 BMG! Otherwise, its all about shot placement and familiarity with your platform of choice! Do not for one minute believe that a 45 acp will blow a mans arm off at the elbow, or that a one shot stop with any handgun caliber is the norm! It just ain’t so!!! Buy the weapon you’re comfortable with and become more than proficient with it. Your efforts will be more than amply rewarded! Get over the caliber wars ****! Just do your due diligence, practice and train! Now..I know this post is bound to start a flame war...So Be It! But I speak from many years of REAL EXPERIENCE..and not from internet expertise! Let’s get real here..and understand the limitations of any handgun platform for self defense. Nothing in ANY handgun caliber is a magic solution to an SD situation...PERIOD! Feel free to flame me here..I expect it! But don’t let internet EXPERTS give you false..(bottle) courage! It just ain’t realistic!
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So, who are the true experts we should listen to then?

You recommend not listening to the "internet experts", but then say listen to you(an anonymous internet poster on a gun forum) whose only stated credentials are being an LEO. Others may disagree, but simply being an LEO doesn't make anyone an expert in regards to the defensive use of a firearm.

The .25 ACP can indeed work, but it is much less likely to be effective than numerous other choices. Irregardless of what anyone writes here, I know of virtually no reputable instructors who would recommend it or say there is not a substantial difference between it and the more commonly recommended handgun calibers for defensive use.
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I carried one laced into the top of my combat boot in a police uniform for years but never used it. I replaced it w/a Model 38 S&W in the early ‘70s and never used that either. As an aside I rolled on many homicides where the victim was shot w/a .22 or .25 so these tiny guns can be very fatal.
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Everywhere you look on the God, (Or Gore Given Internet!), mouse gun calibers, in particular the 25 acp...is talked about as just pissin a perp off if you shoot him with it! OMG...enough! I was an LEO in a large metropolitan area for 36 years...part of that time as a detective. I spent many hours in the morgue..and can tell you from ACTUAL experience that small calibers can...and will do the job. I call BS on the apocryphal tales of small calibers just irritating the perp! Sure..if you knew you were going to war..so to speak..a larger caliber means a bigger hole! As for stopping power from ANY handgun caliber..it is pretty much a myth. If you need real stopping power..DON’T use a handgun of any caliber. Use a 12 guage or a 50 BMG! Otherwise, its all about shot placement and familiarity with your platform of choice! Do not for one minute believe that a 45 acp will blow a mans arm off at the elbow, or that a one shot stop with any handgun caliber is the norm! It just ain’t so!!! Buy the weapon you’re comfortable with and become more than proficient with it. Your efforts will be more than amply rewarded! Get over the caliber wars ****! Just do your due diligence, practice and train! Now..I know this post is bound to start a flame war...So Be It! But I speak from many years of REAL EXPERIENCE..and not from internet expertise! Let’s get real here..and understand the limitations of any handgun platform for self defense. Nothing in ANY handgun caliber is a magic solution to an SD situation...PERIOD! Feel free to flame me here..I expect it! But don’t let internet EXPERTS give you false..(bottle) courage! It just ain’t realistic!
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Ok, I will stand with Doc Holiday / Unkei on this. Having been married to an Assistant DA for years, and having a cousin that has been a County Coroner for at least 30 years, I am familiar with thousands of situations such as Doc describes. He sounds like he has been at my dinner table. (Gotta chuckle, those holiday dinner discussions are a real trip!)
So for those who want first hand: I was with a friend one night in a less than good section of town. I wasn't carrying, he was. Well we were victims of an attempted robbery. Friend drew and fired his .25 Browning in a scuffle. The perp was hit in the head, but it must have been at an angle, as it bounced off of his skull. He ran for help and ended up at the same bar room where we were going. Needless to say we detained him for the police. The second .25 incident was not so fortunate. A close friend of mine was moonlighting as a store cop. There was a holdup, and during a scuffle he was killed. One .25 round to the heart. A sad story with fatherless children and all. Perp ran away on foot and was never caught.
So, Doc, I call that you are right. They are lethal, and shot placement is of the greatest importance. I may disagree a bit on your opinion of some other handgun calibers, but we can hash that out some other time. I do appreciaty your recommendations for 12 GA or .50 BMG!
Is a .25 my choice of carry?
No, I carry either a .38 Spl. J-frame or a 1911 Sig Ultra Compact (.45).
Would I carry a .25?
Sure, it is better than not being armed at all.
Would I make it my EDC?
No.

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The .25 ACP can indeed work, but it is much less likely to be effective than numerous other choices. Irregardless of what anyone writes here, I know of virtually no reputable instructors who would recommend it or say there is not a substantial difference between it and the more commonly recommended handgun calibers for defensive use.
I was a firearms instructor for the FBI for 20 of my 25 years as an agent, and I am currently a firearms instructor for a large defense contractor. I think I am reputable, though my friends and one ex-wife would disagree. Unfortunately I don't have a blog or Youtube channel.

I would certainly recommend the .25 auto for someone who already owns one and can shoot it well.

After seeing many, many dead people and investigating hundreds of non-fatal cases I have come to the conclusion that 90 percent of self defense situations can be resolved by the sudden and unexpected appearance of a firearm, something at which the .25 ACP excels. Another 5 percent can be handled by a loud noise coming from said gun. For the remaining 5 percent, some will be settled by holes in the bad guy's body and some won't.

Is it perfect? No, nothing is. Do I carry one? Yep, sometimes.

It would be a pretty boring world if everyone just carried a Glock 19 and called it good.
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I was a firearms instructor for the FBI for 20 of my 25 years as an agent, and I am currently a firearms instructor for a large defense contractor. I think I am reputable, though my friends and one ex-wife would disagree. Unfortunately I don't have a blog or Youtube channel.

I would certainly recommend the .25 auto for someone who already owns one and can shoot it well.

After seeing many, many dead people and investigating hundreds of non-fatal cases I have come to the conclusion that 90 percent of self defense situations can be resolved by the sudden and unexpected appearance of a firearm, something at which the .25 ACP excels. Another 5 percent can be handled by a loud noise coming from said gun. For the remaining 5 percent, some will be settled by holes in the bad guy's body and some won't.

Is it perfect? No, nothing is. Do I carry one? Yep, sometimes.

It would be a pretty boring world if everyone just carried a Glock 19 and called it good.
So your assertion is essentially that a .25 is an acceptable choice because a threat will most likely be scared off when he sees your gun or when you fire it?

Pretty much any gun could be considered acceptable from that perspective, but I think it prudent to prepare for the determined attacker(s) that must be physically incapacitated quickly and the .25 ACP has proven to often be inadequate in such circumstances.There have been way too many well known Instructors putting forth case studies over the years where it wasn't effective for me to say that declaring it inadequate isn't likely warranted. It's precisely why we we see service pistols chambered in the calibers they are and why there is pretty much a consensus among defensive shooting instructors of what would constitute the acceptable caliber floor.

I don't know if you're a reputable instructor or not or even if you're an instructor at all since you're just another anonymous poster here like everyone else. Even if you are/were actually an Instructor for the FBI doesn't mean too much to me after having worked with some of their DT instructors throughout the years left me far from impressed. I can't comment on their shooting instructors having no experience working with them, but I'd have to assume they are of equivalent standards and quality as the DT guys I'm familiar with, but who knows maybe you're exceptional.

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So your assertion is essentially that a .25 is an acceptable choice because a threat will most likely be scared off when he sees your gun or when you fire it?

Pretty much any gun could be considered acceptable from that perspective, but I think it prudent to prepare for the determined attacker(s) that must be physically incapacitated quickly and the .25 ACP has proven to often be inadequate in such circumstances.There have been way too many well known Instructors putting forth case studies over the years where it wasn't effective for me to say that declaring it inadequate isn't likely warranted. It's precisely why we we see service pistols chambered in the calibers they are and why there is pretty much a consensus among defensive shooting instructors of what would constitute the acceptable caliber floor.

I don't know if you're a reputable instructor or not or even if you're an instructor at all since you're just another anonymous poster here like everyone else. Even if you are/were actually an Instructor for the FBI doesn't mean too much to me after having worked with some of their DT instructors throughout the years left me far from impressed. I can't comment on their shooting instructors having no experience working with them, but I'd have to assume they are of equivalent standards and quality as the ones I've familiar with, but who knows maybe you're exceptional.
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i think the key words were AND CAN SHOOT IT WELL.

people sneer at my lowly 22s, but i average 10,000 training rounds/year.
the bullets go where i want them to go.
not everyone with large caliber guns can say the same.
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I responded to a call for a person shot. The guy had been shot point blank in the forehead. The guy was very upset and had a concussion. The bullet hit his forehead and didn't penetrate the skull but rather traveled across the side of his head and stopped right at his ear but all under the skin. This was with a 25acp. I guess its better to have and not need than need and not have. I personally would rather carry a 22LR or anything over 32acp. Just my thoughts on this topic. I think the round has outlived its usefulness.
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Boy, has this thread gotten out of hand!
Only handgun I have that I think will stop anyone with one shot is my S&W 500 Magnum, but not a CC handgun for sure!
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FWIW, I also have a pretty broad selection of concealable handguns including a TP22, a TP25, a TCP738 (380), an M60, an LC9, a Rossi 971 snubby (357), a CA Bulldog 44, and even a RIA compact 45acp. About the only thing I don't have is a 32acp. But I still just bought a little Bauer 25.

Tiniest little thing I've ever held that goes bang. Certainly not a primary carry, but I figure if I have to stick it in an assailants ear or eye socket it will do as a BUG for halitosis-range encounters. It ought to work better than trying to jamb my thumb in their eye...

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At the time of it's inception, .25acp was originally intended to be a more reliable version of .22lr. .22 cal back in those days were not as reliable as modern .22 of today and .25 acp was the smallest case that would accept a small pistol primer. it was designed to duplicate the performance of a .22lr but with the reliability of primer ignition. .25 acp has it's place as a backup or deep concealment but it was never intended to be a primary gun. IMHO, the smallest caliber that I feel I would carry is .32acp.
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I thought some might find this article interesting.
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I would rather carry a pen-knife than a .25 ACP pistol.
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As Artie Johnson would say....

V-e-e-ely int-erest-ink.

Although judging by the velocity numbers I'm not sure that the 22LR being used for the test was of the modern "high-velocity" variety....
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And of course you are most welcome to do so if you feel it would be more effective.
I however in my hands I do not and would not...

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Uhh...Really?
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To those who state "there is no such thing as a one-hit-stop (with a handgun)"... It can be done with a .25acp.

Of course there are, "ALL" it requires is expertly placing a small chunk of metal in a place that shorts out "Mr. Badguys" CNS. Just as a hole-in-one or a perfect game in baseball require consumate skill.

Its immaterial if I have done it. Goose, Jack and Arnie have. It can be done... It can be done with a .25acp.

That said, I cary a .38 special...
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Everywhere you look on the God, (Or Gore Given Internet!), mouse gun calibers, in particular the 25 acp...is talked about as just pissin a perp off if you shoot him with it! OMG...enough! I was an LEO in a large metropolitan area for 36 years...part of that time as a detective. I spent many hours in the morgue..and can tell you from ACTUAL experience that small calibers can...and will do the job. I call BS on the apocryphal tales of small calibers just irritating the perp! Sure..if you knew you were going to war..so to speak..a larger caliber means a bigger hole! As for stopping power from ANY handgun caliber..it is pretty much a myth. If you need real stopping power..DON’T use a handgun of any caliber. Use a 12 guage or a 50 BMG! Otherwise, its all about shot placement and familiarity with your platform of choice! Do not for one minute believe that a 45 acp will blow a mans arm off at the elbow, or that a one shot stop with any handgun caliber is the norm! It just ain’t so!!! Buy the weapon you’re comfortable with and become more than proficient with it. Your efforts will be more than amply rewarded! Get over the caliber wars ****! Just do your due diligence, practice and train! Now..I know this post is bound to start a flame war...So Be It! But I speak from many years of REAL EXPERIENCE..and not from internet expertise! Let’s get real here..and understand the limitations of any handgun platform for self defense. Nothing in ANY handgun caliber is a magic solution to an SD situation...PERIOD! Feel free to flame me here..I expect it! But don’t let internet EXPERTS give you false..(bottle) courage! It just ain’t realistic!
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Can the 25 kill someone ?? We all know quite well that with a well place shot that it can .. but those aren't the stats I want to see ..

What I want to see is the number off times someone has been shot with it and it had little to no effect ..
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Several shots at close range will hurt. No matter what I carry I've decided that if I have to pull a trigger, I'm not going to pull it just once. Some famous people have been done in by .25s.

If I were going to pick out a new gun for it's small size, I'd rather go with the .32 which can send a 75 gr bullet at over 1000 fr/sec.

If you like velocity, a .22 LR out of a 3" barrel can send a 40 gr bullet out of a 3" barrel at over 1000 ft/sec, too.

But if I HAVE a .25 I wouldn't feel bad about carrying it as opposed to nothing.
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Can the 25 kill someone ?? We all know quite well that with a well place shot that it can .. but those aren't the stats I want to see ..

What I want to see is the number off times someone has been shot with it and it had little to no effect ..
Anecdotally, I can add a story or two - back in 1974, I had the occasion to respond to a shooting call in a convenience store; we had trouble understanding the guy, but after several repetitions, we got his story - a guy came in and tried to get served before him, he loudly and profanely proclaimed it was his turn to which the perp said "OK MF try this" - and shot him in the mouth. We took him to the local hospital where the doc removed a .25 slug from his gum, using a forceps. One of my first experiences with a "non cooperative" victim.

A few weeks later, same neighborhood, responded to find a shooting victim shot several times in the abdomen - taken in by ambulance, surgery required, ended up w/ a colostomy bag, also a .25. We caught the fool that did that one.
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Anecdotally, I can add a story or two - back in 1974, I had the occasion to respond to a shooting call in a convenience store; we had trouble understanding the guy, but after several repetitions, we got his story - a guy came in and tried to get served before him, he loudly and profanely proclaimed it was his turn to which the perp said "OK MF try this" - and shot him in the mouth. We took him to the local hospital where the doc removed a .25 slug from his gum, using a forceps. One of my first experiences with a "non cooperative" victim.

A few weeks later, same neighborhood, responded to find a shooting victim shot several times in the abdomen - taken in by ambulance, surgery required, ended up w/ a colostomy bag, also a .25. We caught the fool that did that one.
I'd say the first guy got really lucky. The gums with the roots of the teeth encased in bone makes a pretty hard barrier. A half inch higher and it would have gone into his mouth and probably through his brain stem or a half inch lower through it might have gone through his spine.

The second guy wasn't so lucky. Though he was at least lucky enough to survive.
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