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Old 03-10-2011, 11:34 PM
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I found out something today that I have wondered about since 1996. Today a lady officer stopped me for making a left turn on red, the only problem was she was meeting me and said I didnt have a green lite, but I did and wife witnessed that the lites being green so I got off with out a summons. When she brought my drivers license and insurance card back she said I see you have a concealed carry license are you carrying now? No I said I only carry when I'm on a trip of a few miles. Its funny but I never knew that they could cross reference from a D.L. Has any one else ever had this happen? Jeff
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:40 PM
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:48 PM
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Virginia does. If your license is checked, they will know if you have a permit.
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:52 PM
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Texas DPS issues both licenses - so yes.
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:57 PM
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In Ohio, it also pops up when your driver's license is run.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:03 AM
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They are connected in WA, but we do not have to inform we are carrying as you do in some states.

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Old 03-11-2011, 12:37 AM
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North Carolina is also the same way. If they run your D/L your CCP pops up. We are also a "Must Inform State", so if you don't inform them when you are stopped then you are in violation.
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Here in Tennessee our drivers license number and our ccw number are the same.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:51 AM
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so if you don't inform them when you are stopped then you are in violation.
What if you don't happen to be carrying at the time?
Do you have to inform them you aren't?
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:54 AM
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In Wyoming, your CCW comes up if they run your D/L. We are not required to inform the officer if we are carrying.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:29 AM
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I do not believe they are connected in Florida but we do not have to inform unless asked.
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What if you don't happen to be carrying at the time?
Do you have to inform them you aren't?
I don't know if I have to, but I do. Our LEO's have enough to worry about and I figure declaring "I want to tell you that when you run my license, you'll see that I do have a Concealed Carry Permit. But I am not armed today" - will make it easier on them. It makes that walk back from his/her cruiser to my truck a little less stressful - for both of us, come to think of it.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:24 AM
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Florida - no. I read that it happens in so many places I asked a cop friend of mine.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:31 AM
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Iím curious from a Law Enforcement standpoint what you carrying with a permit has to do with running a red light. Why arenít they stroking out your ticket and saying have a nice day? Why are they even asking? What bearing does your carry permit have on the entire situation? Any pull over is a potential trouble situation, but I would think by the time your driverís license is already out and run through the computer that the situation is well in hand and almost over. So Iím lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:41 AM
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About 10 yrs. ago they changed the way permits are viewed as far as privileges. It used to be a permit holder could buy a gun and not need a NICS check and take the gun home at time of purchase. A three part form was filled out at time of purchase. The purchaser got a copy, the shop retained a copy, and the PD from the city or town or rural area got a copy. The local PD was supposed to maintain sort of a running monitor thru the state PD on your legal right to have the permit. The local PD was "supposed" to return their copy of the purchase receipt within six weeks. Money to finance this mess was never allocated to the respective depts.. So the whole thing was dropped, and NICS checks are now required. Under the old system a couple of the more liberal cities tried to use the receipts to build a gun owner library, so to speak. That was/is illegal. Although it's not required I'm told by friends on local PD's that they appreciate bring notified of guns on your person or in the car if your stopped.
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Why aren’t they stroking out your ticket and saying have a nice day? Why are they even asking? What bearing does your carry permit have on the entire situation? Any pull over is a potential trouble situation, but I would think by the time your driver’s license is already out and run through the computer that the situation is well in hand and almost over. So I’m lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
I was wondering the same thing.What are they going to do if you are carrying legally?Arrest you?Ask to see the gun?Take it?Check it for ammo?
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I was wondering the same thing.What are they going to do if you are carrying legally?Arrest you?Ask to see the gun?Take it?Check it for ammo?Jeezus.
Your attitude about offering the info voluntarily might be affected by where you live. 4 officers in Chicago were essentially executed in separate incidents last year. I live in Indiana but 3 miles from the Illinois line, and maybe 12 miles from the south end of Chicago. Police here are well aware that not so nice guys regularly enter this city. I would just say it's a courtesy. If you live in Open Pants, Nebraska maybe attitudes are different.

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"Why" doesn't matter. (Or as Judge Judy says: "I don't care how you feel. That has no bearing").

If you're in Ohio and carrying, you are obligated to declare. It's the law.

I guarantee that if you don't declare and a LEO sees a gun butt in your waistband, the questions will get harder - and in a hurry.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:11 AM
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Iím curious from a Law Enforcement standpoint what you carrying with a permit has to do with running a red light. Why arenít they stroking out your ticket and saying have a nice day? Why are they even asking? What bearing does your carry permit have on the entire situation? Any pull over is a potential trouble situation, but I would think by the time your driverís license is already out and run through the computer that the situation is well in hand and almost over. So Iím lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
If I had to stop people, Iíd want to know as much about them as I could before I walked up to the car. Wouldnít you?

In Michigan, if youíre ďdetainedĒ by LE while carrying on a CPL, you are required to ďimmediatelyĒ inform them. The officer has the right to secure your firearm during the stop, but they typically donít. Iím sure it depends on the reason for the stop. This requirement was written into our Shall Issue Law and you agree to those terms when accepting the license. Itís kind of like when you join this forum, you agree to follow the rules.

If you are illegally carrying, thereís no requirement to incriminate yourself, but it is a crime to give false statements.

Ps. Itís best not to stick your head out the window and yell, ďI have a gunĒ!
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In Kentucky, when a LEO runs your DL, a secondary window pops up and tells them your CCW information.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:09 AM
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In Ohio, the CCW is linked to the DL. In the early days of Ohio's CCW law, I was told that the CCW notification came up on their screen the same way the they are notified of felony warrants. I guess it made traffic stops interesting.
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So Iím lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
Although not required the Florida officers, especially FHP, really appreciate knowing they are dealing with a good guy. At least that's what they told me when I asked. Stops are a dangerous thing here along the I95 drug corridor so why not make their day just a little more stress free and pleasant.

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What if you don't happen to be carrying at the time?
Do you have to inform them you aren't?
In NC, yes, you would be in violation. If you have engagement with an LEO, and you are a concealed weapon permit holder, you inform that you are a permit holder. This even includes if the LEO asks you a question as you are walking down the street...
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My understanding on the requirements in NC are that you must inform if you are carrying concealed prusuant to a permit when "approached" by a LEO. (A check of your NCDL will indicate if you are a permit holder.)

I don't think we have a definition of what "approached" means from any appealent courts yet. Does that mean meeting on the street, or does it require some official interaction or detention? In my courtroom, and I would hazzard to guess most others, it required "official interaction". Otherwise you might be required to yell across the street to the officer walking in the opposite direction in the downtown area "Mr. Officer, I'm carrying a weapon!"

There is no requirement to inform if you are open carrying, or if you are a permit holder who is unarmed.

Of course that is just my understanding as a permit holder, and retired judicial official, and the way it was enforced in my jurisdiction, and other jurisdictions I had contact with across the state. I am not licensed to practice law or give legal advice, so in NC follow your own understanding.
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Anyone know about WV?
Your WV CHL is not linked to your WV DL, but WV State Police have a CHL database and any LEO inquiry will get a quick reply from them.

WV is not a Duty-to-Notify state, but my LEO friends tell me it is an appreciated courtesy if you are carrying, so I probably will if I ever get stopped.

I live on the boarder and travel in Ohio often, which is a Duty-to-Notify state and has a lot of other weird laws, so I try to stay legal for Ohio and I'm legal in WV, which has far more sensible gun laws except for a few cities we are trying to "educate".

For more info about WV gun laws, check out West Virginia Citizen's Defense League. You don't have to be a WVCDL member to ask questions.
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Although not required the Florida officers, especially FHP, really appreciate knowing they are dealing with a good guy. At least that's what they told me when I asked. Stops are a dangerous thing here along the I95 drug corridor so why not make their day just a little more stress free and pleasant.

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Because the one and only person that I have met handed the FHP both his driver's license and his CCW permit and was asked to please step out of the car, put your hands on the roof, spread your legs, his pistol was taken from him, he was handcuffed, and sat in the back of the car until his paperwork was I guess processed. He was given his pistol back with and empty magazine and a zip lock bag of his ammo and told thank you for your patience. I told my friend he should file a harassment charge at the officer, but he was just glad it didn't go further than that. I didn't want to crawl him any worse than he had just got but I was mad for him all the same. So despite being told in the CCW class that I went to that we "should" notify, I'm not sure if I will or not. But I also won't be flashing either. I completely understand that police have to worry about potential confrontation but the level of treatment that you risk by trying to be honest has created a feeling or borderline desire to be dishonest at times. So I feel backed into a corner of ďDarned if you donít and Darned if you doÖĒ
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West Virginia - JohhnieB has already answered the question, but based on our state alone, as an NRA instructor I advise people to not mention it when pulled over unless asked, or unless one is asked to step from the vehicle. Most of the time it's simply not an issue.

Many times when writing up an accident or a citation I have seen the WV State Police ask the participants to have a seat in the patrol car; I, for one, would certainly not want it to be at that point that the trooper found out I had a concealed weapon, even though legally carried.

Naturally, I also inform students that if they carry into a reciprocating state that recognizes/honors their WV permit, they are subject to the laws, regulations, and practices of the host state.

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In Nebraska you are required to inform the LEO's before you hand over your license. If you don't you may be in for a "ride downtown".
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In MA, I don't think that they know unless they specifically consult the DB that will tell them. I don't think that it's a big concern around here, and perhaps shouldn't be anywhere, because the folks that have permits aren't the problem. Over a period of forty years or so, I have sat in the front of a police car two or three times, all involving driving an automobile. I was armed on one or two of those occasions, and it really didn't seem to be a matter of concern to anybody.
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I think the reason this thread rattles me so much is that if you go ahead and pay off the state, prove that you are a legal and law abiding citizen, and chose to utilize your second amendment rightÖ Guess what, you can be legally shafted for it still. So even from the LEO stand point is sounds like IMHO there should be nothing to fear from CCW permit holders. It should make them smile and be proud that a fellow human being is choosing to protect themselves. But instead we run the risk of running the innocent until proven guilty route simply because we are flagged in a system. I had no idea so many states already had the power to round you up simply for not telling the officer that his state has already been paid, and you have already been cleared to carry this firearm. This screams that this should be moved from the Lounge to the Second Amendment forum. I find this whole issue very troubling.
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Because the one and only person that I have met handed the FHP both his driver's license and his CCW permit and was asked to please step out of the car, put your hands on the roof....
Hate to hear about this as I'm sure you did. The vast majority of FHP officers just want to do their jobs for the people and then go home safely to their families. It's the ones like this that make it tough for the others. Guess we each have to handle this situation as we see fit and hope all turns out well.

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In Ohio, it also pops up when your driver's license is run.
In CCW class they also tell you (well, I was told) to roll down the window, keep your hands on the steering wheel top, and turn on an inside light if dark outside. Chances are very high they have already ran your plates before exiting the patrol car and know what to expect.
I have told my wife this if she is driving my car, but then again, she will not drive over the speedlimit, and ALWAYS slows down to stop for a yellow light.

My thoughts are this: LEOs have enough things to worry about when approaching a car, make it easy to see you are not a threat - even when not carrying.
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Hold on a second while I don my flame suit......

OK, here goes. Having a concealed weapons permit does not mean you are a good guy or are particularly law-abiding. In a "shall issue" state it means you don't have any felony convictions, you may have taken a quickie CCW course, and you paid a fee.

I worked a Hell's Angel "fun run" in Montana a while back. Quite a few of those boys obligingly handed over concealed weapons permits when stopped. Non-felons legally carrying? Yes. Good guys? No.

I know it doesn't apply to the fine folks here, but there are dirtbags with permits out there. The cops just want to have all the information that is legally available to them when they make their approach to the vehicle.
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Let me hide behind you as I don't have a fame suit...

Whether we are in the right or not about informing a LEO about being a CCW holder, I believe it is only courteous behavior to let them know if you are carrying or not. I know and work with lots of them and most are really good people who I am happy to be courteous to. Their jobs are hard and dangerous enough without me adding to it.
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Whether we are in the right or not about informing a LEO about being a CCW holder, I believe it is only courteous behavior to let them know if you are carrying or not. I know and work with lots of them and most are really good people who I am happy to be courteous to. Their jobs are hard and dangerous enough without me adding to it.
I'm another who believes that notification is simple courtesy. Since it's also the Law in Michigan it's also a requirement. BTW, Michigan not only links the CPL to the drivers license it's also linked to car registrationss. So, if you have a CPL and you're driving a car registered in your name that Police Officer will know about your permit as soon as he runs your tags.

As for shady characters with permits in Shall Issue state, Michigan has a rather long list of relatively minor offenses that will exclude someone from qualifying for a permit. Even a ticket for Reckless Driving is enough to get you excluded for 3 years and almost any infraction that indicates irresponsible behavior of any type can get you excluded for anywhere from 3 years to much longer.
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I just got off the phone with a friend who had just did the shooting and the school for the Arkansas concealed carry and I told him I didnt think they were connected, he said the officer that did the training told his class that if stopped to include the CCL along with the drivers license and proof of insurance as it might save a problem with the officer. I have the 74th license issued in Ar and the first class was not informed, has probably been modified since it was passed. Jeff

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In Texas you are required to present your CCL along with your drivers license. If they want to know if your are carrying they will ask you. Some do, and some don't. I have not received any tickets, except for warning tickets, but I have been pulled over, or presented license after an acccident when I was rearended. Each time a presented my CCL, and the officer, both local and highway patrol, very nicly thanked me for presenting the CCL. Of course they knew I had it because it is linked to your DL. A couple of times the officer and I actually got into a discussion of what our favorite pistols are. In Texas at least, the last person I want to shuck and jive or give a hard time to is a Texas Highway Patrolman. They are very courteous and professional, up to a point. Maybe I've been lucky, but I have never ran into a Texas LEO that was anti-gun or anti-CCL holders.
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I was in an accident (not my fault) last summer. The LEO was a young kid (late 20's) and both parites involved had CCW permits. I was not carrying, the other guy had his weapon secured in his car trunk. We both immediatley informed the officer and he was appreciative, and seemed a little better mood (this was his 4th accident in 3 hours due to the other main interstate being one lane due to construction).

The officer has a SWAT patch on his uniform, and took a few minutes to talk to my son about it when he heard the kid mention it to me. Since then my son has expressed an interest in law enforcement after high school (10th grade now).
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In CA I've heard the CCW info is on your license. Also child support info, organ donor info, and on and on.

This is one reason I do not allow merchants to swipe my DL when making a purchase or cashing a check. I don't know how much of that info they can capture and share.
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Don't count on the cops to know the laws either.

Got pulled over on my motorcycle a few years back. When I took my D/L out , I also pulled my LTCF (I keep them together), which I slid back in. State cop asked if that was a 'carry permit'? I replied yes , as he put his hand on his sidearm and stepped back and shouted "OK , where's the gun?"!

He very loudly and angrily told me I was supposed to inform him I was carrying a firearm immediately whenever pulled over. State law says different , only have to inform IF asked , besides , I wasn't carrying any firearms on me at that time anyway.
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Don't count on the cops to know the laws either.

Got pulled over on my motorcycle a few years back. When I took my D/L out , I also pulled my LTCF (I keep them together), which I slid back in. State cop asked if that was a 'carry permit'? I replied yes , as he put his hand on his sidearm and stepped back and shouted "OK , where's the gun?"!

He very loudly and angrily told me I was supposed to inform him I was carrying a firearm immediately whenever pulled over. State law says different , only have to inform IF asked , besides , I wasn't carrying any firearms on me at that time anyway.
We had an even worse occurrence here a while back.

Beachwood cops, during a felony stop, ordered a guy not to speak. After ***51 seconds*** he managed to inform them that he had a CHL and was carrying. They charged him with "failure to 'promptly' notify", and he actually went to trial. He was of course acquitted. I expect him to sue everybody involved, since this was not just ignorance (inexcusable in any case), but actual MALICE. They ORDERED him not to notify, AT GUNPOINT, then charged him for obeying their orders.

For this reason, I will shout over any cop if necessary to inform here.

The notification requirement is an open invitation to abuse and needs to be eliminated.
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For this reason, I will shout over any cop if necessary to inform here.

The notification requirement is an open invitation to abuse and needs to be eliminated.
Probably get charged with verbal assualt of a police officer!
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Well, as we used to say in the 2nd Infantry Division, he can "let his conscience be his guide".
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We had an even worse occurrence here a while back.

Beachwood cops, during a felony stop, ordered a guy not to speak. After ***51 seconds*** he managed to inform them that he had a CHL and was carrying. They charged him with "failure to 'promptly' notify", and he actually went to trial. He was of course acquitted. I expect him to sue everybody involved, since this was not just ignorance (inexcusable in any case), but actual MALICE. They ORDERED him not to notify, AT GUNPOINT, then charged him for obeying their orders.

For this reason, I will shout over any cop if necessary to inform here.

The notification requirement is an open invitation to abuse and needs to be eliminated.
I'm inclined to disagree with this sentiment. The simple fact is that every single Police Officer has as much right to go home at the end of his shift as any other person. Think about the recent spike in police officers who've been shot and consider that every single officer in this nation is aware of that spike. Without notification I can assure that they will not react gently if they spot that you are armed and have not informed them of that fact. At least with notification and the linking of carry permits to license records the police have some advance notice. Yeah, it does introduce the potential for a Felony Stop but I haven't seen any indication of this being done in my area, generally Felony stops are triggered by overt actions on the part of the driver or a report of that particular vehicle being used in a recent crime.

So, my immediate question pertaining to that Beechwood stop is what was the driver doing that caused him to be the subject of a Felony Stop? The simple fact is that Felony Stops require a lot of manpower to execute properly and aren't undertaken without some cause.
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I don't think in Calif. that my concealed carry permit is linked to my driver's license, as no questins have ever been asked if I was carrying whenever I was pulled over, however about 20 yrs ago, I was pulled over and the cop took my driver's license, walked back to his car and ran it on his computer. he came back and said " Wow, you sure own a lot of guns!" So there must have been a link to guns registered in my name. We talked about guns for awhile and I wound up selling him a deer rifle. That's never happened since, so that link must not exist now. Ed.
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