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My husband comes up with this information from a gun show we went to fairly recently, and he thinks it's great. I'm not so sure if I like it.

Apparently, as far as he understands things from the shady looking flyer he picked up Texas and Utah residents can apply for a concealed license issued from the state in which they do not live; ie, we as Texas residents could have a Utah license and it would be OK. From what I can see, UT fees are much less expensive, but also the training and information is not nearly as in depth as we would get here.

1) Can someone in the know clarify the reciprocity situation between TX and UT?

2) Is it just me, or am I wrong for wanting to make sure I have a license for my state of residence epecially since it appears to be much more informative, resulting in being a bit more "qualified" or prepared, as it will, to be responsible and skilled to carry?
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Most people get out of state permits because their home state does not have reciprocity with many other states. I live in Iowa, and as of now we have reciprocity with no other states. A number of states honor Iowa's permits, but Iowa does not honor an other states AT THIS TIME. We just went "shall issue" so that will probably change.
As to your situation, I can't comment on Texas law, but it may be a situation where Utah covers more states than Texas, so if you get their permit you would be legal carrying in any state that honors a Utah permit. It's not a situation where one is better than another, it just gives you more options. That said, you should start with a permit for your home state first.
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Check out handgunlaws.us and click on the State of Texas state, then go back and click on the State of Utah. Note the differences.
Looks pretty similar with New Mexico being the obvious difference.
I have an Indiana (resident) LCH. Two states I frequently travel into, Ohio and Minnesota do no honor my IN permit due to our (lack of) training requirements.
On the other hand, both honor my non-resident Utah permit. To me, based on my frequency of travel to these two state, it was worth the expense and time to get a Utah permit.
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There's a bill in the current legislature to change this. If it passes it means Texas will not honor another state's license if the holder is not a resident of that state.

Texas Legislature Online - 82(R) Text for HB 356
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Utah is changing it's rules.

"If a non-resident applicant is from a state that either has a formal reciprocity agreement with Utah or recognizes the Utah concealed firearm permit, the applicant must hold and provide proof of a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the applicant’s state of residency upon application for the Utah concealed firearm permit."

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/doc...rApril2011.pdf
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Thanks for your input and links!
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If you get the TX AND the UT licenses, you will have covered ALL the states you can get by multiple recognition.After those, you would have to go one state at a time for the particular state you wanted.

I did the UT classes for sveral years, and the home state plus UT is a great combination. Home state plus FL is another possibility, but costs more.

You should always get your home state first if possible, and now UT is going to require it for reciprocal states. People in places like IL will still be able to get UT (there is no IL CHL).
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My husband comes up with this information from a gun show we went to fairly recently, and he thinks it's great. I'm not so sure if I like it.

Apparently, as far as he understands things from the shady looking flyer he picked up Texas and Utah residents can apply for a concealed license issued from the state in which they do not live; ie, we as Texas residents could have a Utah license and it would be OK. From what I can see, UT fees are much less expensive, but also the training and information is not nearly as in depth as we would get here.

1) Can someone in the know clarify the reciprocity situation between TX and UT?

2) Is it just me, or am I wrong for wanting to make sure I have a license for my state of residence epecially since it appears to be much more informative, resulting in being a bit more "qualified" or prepared, as it will, to be responsible and skilled to carry?
It says, "shall not abridge...". Anyone who wants the training and/or information can go take a class voluntarily and pay the money if they feel the need. It is another thing entirely for the State to require it en mass for anyone and everyone, "except retired cops and judges". It's a bit insulting to be assumed to be ignorant.

It is not unlike the infamous poll taxes which were also found to be unconstitutional. Requiring someone to pay hundreds of dollars to exercise their rights is just wrong on its face. At the very least the class should be given for free and only a very small fee charged for administration costs to issue the permit. And every 4 years you are required to take a refresher class???!!! It's a scam.
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I see where you're coming from, but I don't know, I'm not saying everyone is ignorant, but a lot of people are. But we have the tools to fix ignorant. Stupid is another story, it's just plain hopeless.

it's stupid with a gun that scares me.

Right now, I have some ignorance that I am trying to remedy, which is why I asked these questions.
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I'm still trying to figure out what Kappa Kappa Psi means....
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I'm still trying to figure out what Kappa Kappa Psi means....
Kappa Kappa Psi is the National Honorary Band Service Fraternity. it is a line from our hymn. I'm a woman, but I'm a brother. Our sister sorority, Tau beta Sigma, has male sisters. It can get confusing, especially if you consider that I'm a founding father of one the chapters. It's not gun related, but you bet it's a big part of who I am.
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I live in Iowa, and as of now we have reciprocity with no other states. A number of states honor Iowa's permits, but Iowa does not honor an other states AT THIS TIME. We just went "shall issue" so that will probably change.
P&R are you sure? I think Iowa changed at the first of the year. I am in Iowa a lot and maybe you know something I don't.
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Jim,
I tried your link but something is screwy with my computer, so I can't access it. Iowa just went shall issue on 1 January this year, we were "may issue" before that, meaning if the Sheriff didn't want to he didn't have to issue ANY permits, and a bunch didn't. When the law was passed, the newspaper stories all said we may develop reciprocity with other states eventually, if our training requirements were similar. A number of states already honored Iowa permits, but Iowa did not honor anybody else's. A few years ago one of my employees didn't believe that so I proved it to him by calling our Sheriff's department. They confirmed it, much to his chagrin. At this point I have not heard that Iowa is honoring any other states permits. If they are I'd like to know too.
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Kappa Kappa Psi is the National Honorary Band Service Fraternity. it is a line from our hymn. I'm a woman, but I'm a brother. Our sister sorority, Tau beta Sigma, has male sisters. It can get confusing, especially if you consider that I'm a founding father of one the chapters. It's not gun related, but you bet it's a big part of who I am.
I understand. I'm a member of our local Rotary club, and I started sitting with a group of really nice ladies who constitute a committee called the "Layette Ladies". They took a liking to me and made me a member. I actually don't even know what a "layette" is. I'm the only guy on it. They're all older than me and about all we do is sit together at meetings and once a month I get to go out to breakfast with 5 or 6 Women. Yes, my Wife knows all about it, (and she thinks I'm a Dork) but it's all in the spirit of fun. I'm a terrible flirt, and she knows that too, but she knows I have a strict rule-I only flirt with Women who are old enough to be my Mother. otherwise I'd wake up some morning dead.
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Here's the BCI site for the state of UT: Utah Department of Public Safety

The changes are coming May 11, so if you can get through a class and get your application in prior to that, you won't need a TX license; afterwards you will.

Reciprocity maps here: Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps Note that some states do not recognize non-resident permits.

BCI-certified trainer list here: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/doc...te04112011.pdf

Good luck.

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I tried your link but something is screwy with my computer, so I can't access it. Iowa just went shall issue on 1 January this year, we were "may issue" before that, meaning if the Sheriff didn't want to he didn't have to issue ANY permits, and a bunch didn't. When the law was passed, the newspaper stories all said we may develop reciprocity with other states eventually, if our training requirements were similar. A number of states already honored Iowa permits, but Iowa did not honor anybody else's. A few years ago one of my employees didn't believe that so I proved it to him by calling our Sheriff's department. They confirmed it, much to his chagrin. At this point I have not heard that Iowa is honoring any other states permits. If they are I'd like to know too.
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P&R Fan - I am in Nebraska so I thought my CCW was good in Iowa. Your post was the first I had heard it may not be. I will have to check into this a little more. I know your law changed in IA on Jan 1 this year. I am pretty sure yours is good over here though.
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Call the Iowa State Patrol or check the Attorney Generals website to be sure. I know for a fact Iowa did not honor any other states before the change, and I haven't heard if that has changed yet.
Don't want you to get in trouble, so please check, then get back to us.
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QUESTION: I live in another state. Will Iowa honor my concealed weapon permit issued in another state?
ANSWER: Iowa will honor any valid carry permit issued by any other state and will grant all privileges to such permit holders as those granted to Iowa residents including the concealed or open carrying of a firearm (excluding those classified by Iowa law as offensive weapons (federal NFA or Class 3)) and the concealed carrying of other non-firearm dangerous weapons such as knives with blades in excess of five inches, switchblade knives, Tasers/stun guns, or any other dangerous weapon. Non-firearm dangerous weapons may be
carried openly without a permit. Non-firearm dangerous weapons may also be regulated by local ordinance that is more stringent than Iowa law. You do not have to be a resident of the state from which your permit was issued. However, an Iowa resident may only carry
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QUESTION: My state requires a reciprocity agreement before it can recognize an out-of-state permit. Will Iowa enter into such a
reciprocity agreement?
ANSWER: No. Iowa law does not provide for entering into reciprocity agreements with states that require them. Iowa will honor any
valid permit issued in any other state.

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I'm a retired Trooper and teach CC in Louisiana. Since 08/15/10, Louisiana residents have had to possess a Louisiana permit to legally carry in Louisiana. Prior to the above date, one could possess an out of state permit for legal carrying in Louisiana. Iowa was just added to the list of states that have reciprocity with Louisiana. There are 35 states that have reciprocity with Louisiana. Hopefully, New Mexico will join the list one day. Florida issues non residence permits for all of the tourists and snow birds that live in non permit jurisdictions, such as New York, DC., and Chicago. Bob!!
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It says, "shall not abridge...". Anyone who wants the training and/or information can go take a class voluntarily and pay the money if they feel the need. It is another thing entirely for the State to require it en mass for anyone and everyone, "except retired cops and judges". It's a bit insulting to be assumed to be ignorant.

It is not unlike the infamous poll taxes which were also found to be unconstitutional. Requiring someone to pay hundreds of dollars to exercise their rights is just wrong on its face. At the very least the class should be given for free and only a very small fee charged for administration costs to issue the permit. And every 4 years you are required to take a refresher class???!!! It's a scam.
I am a CHL instructor here in the Great State of Texas... and I am not a state employee, therefore why would I teach a class for free . My time and training are not free. My research, equipment and materials are not free, my range usage for my classes are not free.... I guess you believe the "government" should provide for you. All that being said, i help those that choose, to be legal and prepared until such time as we can exersise out rights under the 2nd amendment unabridged. To obtain that we must exersise our right to vote and promote the canidates that best reflect our beliefs.
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I am a CHL instructor here in the Great State of Texas... and I am not a state employee, therefore why would I teach a class for free . My time and training are not free. My research, equipment and materials are not free, my range usage for my classes are not free.... I guess you believe the "government" should provide for you. All that being said, i help those that choose, to be legal and prepared until such time as we can exersise out rights under the 2nd amendment unabridged. To obtain that we must exersise our right to vote and promote the canidates that best reflect our beliefs.
I'd say he was saying if you want to go thru training you can pay for it.

But if the state mandates it, you should not be force to pay for exercising a contitutional right.

He didn't say YOU shouldn't be paid. He said, he shouldn't have to pay for it.
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I got my CCW training about a year ago in Oklahoma rather than Utah. My reasoning was to know what Oklahoma's regulations were as that is my state of residency. Oklahoma has reciprocity with, if memory serves me right, 37 other states. Due to the constant modifications of CCW and reciprocity agreements in other states we were advised to call the Attorney General's office of any states we might travel in/through to confirm the status of their CCW regs and reciprocity with Oklahoma. Makes sense to me.
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