I have some business travel coming up where I will be in Allentown, PA...the family will be along for this one. Anyway, I have a CCW permit for KY where I live...I know that PA recognizes KYs permit, so no problem there...but I wanted the family to see NY city, and I understand that NY and NJ are not gun friendly...I really want my family to see the city, because they haven't been out of KY much...I hate to leave the bun at the hotel in PA...I'm sure it would be gone by the time I got back. But at the same time I don't want to go to jail for possion of a handgun in NY, NJ, or even the little time that I will go though Maryland...what do I do, stay away from this part of the country...I don't understand why I cant protect my family while in these states, it is unconstitutional.

What do I do...?

Unless you have a permit for NY, NJ do not take the gun into those states at all. Period end of discussion. A poor traveler from some state had checked his firearm into his luggage. His plane landed at Newark, NJ airport. It was late and he missed his connection. He claimed his bag that was off loaded at Newark. Went straight to the airport hotel. (I know it well its located on the airport) stayed overnight. Went to the terminal next morning to board a new flight to Pennsylvania. Declared his firearm as checked baggage and spent the next four days in a Newark jail cell. The NRA and other gun groups finally had charges dropped. Another poor soul in NJ legally moving to a new address was arrested for having legally purchased firearms from another state. He was arrested, tried and convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison. Governor Christie finally commuted his sentence. NJ, NY are gun nazis. Dont do it. Leave it in the hotel safe.

ridiculous...I am an American citizen who has the right to bare arms....how is this constitutional, why don't residents of these states fight this BS....what is wrong here...this really burns me up....do you think a bad guy cares about the law...sounds to me like these states welcome violent crime by not allowing law abiding citizens to defend/protect themselves.
well at least Vermont has the right idea...no permit required to carry....if you are an American citizen you have the right to bare arms...thats what it says in the constitution...whats the deal, can't lawmakers read?

there are a number of lawsuits against the state of NJ relating to firearms and CC. If you want to be another one, bring your gun. Otherwise leave it in the safe in PA.

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The Northeast is a whole 'nuther country when it comes to constitutionality, especially with regard to firearms. If you want to keep it and stay out of jail then leave it in Pennsylvania.

no way would i ever live in a state where the constitution is not followed...the people of these states need to get off their hind ends and do something to get things changed.
never thought I would say this, but I am glad to live in KY...where its still a free country...
If i want to do some target practice, I just go out in the backyard and blast away...I cant feel sorry about the gun owners in the anti-gunner states, if they won't do any thing to get these unconstitutional laws changed

The Firearms Owners Protection Act is supposed to cover you if just passing through (and the gun is properly secured as the law prescribes).

I can't speak for NJ,,but NY State does not recognize any other States pistol permit. The City of NY does not even recognize the NYS Pistol Permit issued anywhere else in NYS,,only those few actually issued in NYC.

As far as changing laws/politicians,,it ain't gonna happen.
The NYS pistol permit law (Sullivan Law) has been on the books since 1911.

Gun owners have to actually show up at the polls and vote (2A), and not just talk about it.
It's not happening most places & the antigun attitude is well entrenched in everyday life.

darkstar, there are many of us here in NJ that agree with you. We just are simply outnumbered. Although we don't give up. I am an NRA life member, I belong to the NJ coalition for self defense, and I'm constantly writing my elected officials.

Travel to NYC without your gun, and have no fear. That city is more safe than most of the cities in the south.

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Those states stopped being part of the US quite some time ago.

For goodness sakes, PARANOIA is not a good thing. First, you suggest your gun will be stolen from your hotel and then you suggest you will somehow be endangered whilst in The Big Apple.

Trust me, there are few places less safe for tourists than New York City.

For the record, my LEOSA certification expired (my fault) concurrently with a trip to the city and the state last August.

No worries, I survived...even had dinner and multiple cocktails at Spark's Steak House (look it up) and if you're not outgunned there, you're quite alright elsewhere in the greatest city in the world.

Be safe.

PS: You will be in New York City.

Dark star;135996792]I have some business travel coming up where I will be in Allentown, PA...the family will be along for this one. Anyway, I have a CCW permit for KY where I live...I know that PA recognizes KYs permit, so no problem there...but I wanted the family to see NY city, and I understand that NY and NJ are not gun friendly...I really want my family to see the city, because they haven't been out of KY much...I hate to leave the bun at the hotel in PA...I'm sure it would be gone by the time I got back. But at the same time I don't want to go to jail for possion of a handgun in NY, NJ, or even the little time that I will go though Maryland...what do I do, stay away from this part of the country...I don't understand why I cant protect my family while in these states, it is unconstitutional.

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In all the traveling I've had to do in NY and New England, with the first breath the locals tell me what a wonderful safe place it is.
Then in the next breath they warn me about all the areas never to drive through, and NEVER- EVER walk through.

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Trust me, there are few places less safe for tourists than New York City. [QUOTE]

NO! It can't be, nothing could be worse, I read it here.

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Massachusetts, NJ, NY (NYC and NYS) are the Northeast's Axis of Evil as it pertains to CCW licensing and ownership.

If you'd like a first hand account of what can happen in NYC with an unregistered handgun, give Plaxico Burress a call. He used to play for the NY Giants, but was recently released after being a guest of the state for nearly two years.

See you made the mistake that most folks do. You think the law means what you think it means.
The FOPA does cover going 'thru' a state. It doesn't cover stopping in the state.
The guy who got jammed on the missed plane made the mistake of picking up his luggage and taking it to the hotel.
The judge said that the FOPA requires you not to have access to the firearm. When he moved it from the limo to the hotel room, he had access. That was their interpretation of the law.

Like I said for the OP, leave the gun in a gun friendly state, not NJ or NY.

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Read it here:

Gun laws in the United States (by state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plaxico got 2 years because the gun discharged.
Discharging a handgun unnecessarily in any bar in any state should merit some time in the joint. If not, somethings wrong with that states' laws.
Would he have gotten jail time if the gun had not discharged? Maybe, maybe not.

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Leave your gun in PA. Have fun in NYC... stay out of Jersey. (Sorry Jersey guys!)

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Do not even consider traveling to either NYC or NJ with a gun. if you get stopped and its found your next stay will probably be Riker's Island. Not a nice place. Used to drive pass the R.I. bridge every day to and from work. One reason I don't live there anymore. Frank

If you intend on making it to NYC, try to get down to see the new Freedom Tower, now up to the 70th floor and counting. It's the site of the former World Trade Center.

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But he WON'T be just passing through. And even if you beat the rap, you won't beat the ride... and the financially crushing legal bills that go with it.

I realize he wasn't just driving thru, just pointing it out as some still insist it is somehow sufficient law to cover their CCW in other states.

..And by 'supposed to cover you' ,,my way of saying that being right might not be worth the time, pain and money to prove it,,just as you stated.

With only a few exceptions, firearms ownership in the northeast has been allowed to morph into a privilege, rather than a right (whether natural or Constitutional).

Sad, but true. The hope is that this mindset can be stopped from spreading further.

Are you keeping your Motel room while you travel to the city? If so, make sure that your Hotel / Motel has in room safes, no problem with them, leave it in the safe.

Mike

Just don't!!!

I just have one final comment. I am not paranoid. I do not worry about crime. I dont because I carry a gun....I have guns in my home. I am not afraid of a break in when I am at home, I am afraid of a break in when I am not at home. I cant protect my property when I am not there and even though I have a safe and an alarm, I know that what man creates man can defeat. Again I do not fear crime in NYC because i can and do carry a gun there. But as I said, unless you have the permits to carry there and unless you are willing to become a Supreme Court Test case knowing that even Judge Roberts said not all gun restrictions are unconstitutional then please dont carry there. and you have a right to fear crime and break ins and that does not mean you are paranoid. Rember a cop is only a minute away when you have a second to live or die.

I live in what is commonly called Western New York. The area includes .. Buffalo, Rochester & Niagara Falls. It took me right around a year to get my permit, and when I asked the clerk for a booklet of state laws she said " there isn't one because the laws vary too much from county to county."
The one thing that everyone agrees about is that New York does not recognize any other states permits. They also do not issue out of state permits. Now whether or not that is constitutional is another matter. but for now its the law.
Plaxico Burress was in possession of a hand gun illegally.... in a place that serves alcohol ( illegal even if you do have a permit ) and shot himself in the leg ( discharging a firearm ) while "showing " it ( menacing in New York ) to one of his buds. I'm pretty sure he would have went to jail in most states.
Most of the states population lives in the eastern part of the stae .. New York City ... the rest of us have more in common with the people who live in the southwest than our fellow New Yorkers.

Oh .. and Chicago is worse.

In NY and NJ perps walk around with guns w/o a care in the world. They don't mind getting collared. All they get is 5 years probation in NYC, even though there is a mandatory 5 year jail sentence. The only people who worry about carrying a gun in NY/NJ are good people.

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Comrade:

Leave gun Pennsylvania.

Beautiful New Jersey New York gun laws passed by glorious Proletarian Legislatures eliminate all violent crime in Garden and Empire States.

Rumor of 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms is sedicious lie of reactionary running dog capitilist Teaparty who need report to reeducation centers immediately.

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I have never seen that in NYS penal law, I believe it's quite legal to carry a firearm in a bar or establishment that sells alcohol. I've asked on a few NY dedicated websites, everyone has said it's legal.

Edited: It's legal everywhere but Niagara County, very strange.

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California is another "constitution-free zone" you may want to avoid in your travels. While you can bring a handgun into California when you visit, it had better not be an "assault" weapon, or have a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

Since Handguns are so much trouble and best left at home in America, how are the NJ authorities/gestapo on long guns ?

Same way, unless your going to or from a shooting range or hunting hope you don't get stopped.

Do not take my word for it, but as far as I can tell, if you have a Firearms Purchasers Identification Card it is okay to have an unloaded long gun in your possession outside of your home even if you are not going to the range.

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If you do, you'd better be going hunting.

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I guess I`ll have to buy some kind of non lethal spray.
Whats good?

Where does it say that (as to unloaded long guns)?

Not that I suggest this in NJ, but where does it say that a person with the card cannot tool around the state with an unloaded long gun between the bucket seats?

The actual statute is this:

2C:39-5. Unlawful Possession of Weapons.

a. Machine guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a machine gun or any instrument or device adaptable for use as a machine gun, without being licensed to do so as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-5, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

d. Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.


c(1) gets you even for an unloaded long gun if you do not have the card.
c(2) gets you for a loaded long gun unless you are otherwise permitted (home, range, hunting)
Where does it get you for an unloaded long gun if you have the card?

P.S.

No way am I going to be the first to test this out.
And I would not recommend that anyone try it.
My interpretation could be wrong, and,
My guess is they would nab you for something like disorderly conduct or brandishing.
After being nabbed they would likely confiscate your Firearms Purchasers Identification Card.
They will also likely deny any future application to purchase a handgun.

Remember, this is New Jersey we are talking about.

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I have to deal with this all the time I live and work in P.A. but live about 5 mins from the N.Y. border so it limits when I can carry because like it or not I have to go into N.Y. and chances are thats probably where I'd need it most.What are ya gonna do it is what it is and to me its not worth risking my freedom but it does burn me to be unarmed.

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Become a volenteer reserve officer with your local department, under house resolution 218, law enforcement officers are exempt from state laws barring the carrying of a concealed weapon.

Yeh, go ahead and try that one in the People's Republic.

Hey i'm just stateing federal law. Personally i'm a firm believer in what one retired state trooper told me "the penalties for haveing one are alot lower than the penalties for not, and the only reasons somone should ever know your have a gun are because you used it or because you were stupid"

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No, no, no, no, no!!! LEO's must be employed by the agency to be covered under the active duty provisions of LEOSA.

Be safe.

I see your reasoning, I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. Here in the PRNJ they won't issue carry permits to retired law enforcement unless there is some sort of political connection or a "justifiable need" has been established. It's just like the position I'm in now, I have to wait until the end of June to buy another handgun even though I have gone through the background check and obtained the purchase permit due to the politicians not having a clue to realize that one gun a month does absolutely nothing to curb crime. It only affects the law abiding citizen. The criminal will still get their guns the same ways, out of the trunk of another criminals car or as the spoils of a robbery.

Some of the towns around here have them, wannabee's. They get used for traffic control at parades and events. At one of the ranges I frequent, there's quite a few of them telling tall tales. Even the range, which is free for cops and corrections and probation, makes them pay.

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It's the same way where I hunt in PA, they have "auxiliary officers" They only get used for traffic control for accidents and fires, etc. Occasionally they are welcomed by the local state police when back up is required but not much more.

I have to disagree. One is not being stupid if he`s caught in a license check. you must present your papers so what happens if you don`t show your CC card?
I believe there is a national data base so when they run your license # it will come up that you have a CC. Then if you`ve not shown it , your off to the Calaboose, and if you did show it your still in trouble!
Oh! How I wish I never had to go to Jersey!!!!

Not around these parts.

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