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New at this site. My Husband is retired from the Federal Bureau of Prisons. We trying to find information on getting him requalified. I am still employed by the Bureau and can't seem to find any information.

Isn't it great the way the BOP ignores those who honorably served?

In Texas a CHL instructor can perform the qualification for him and many do it for a small or no fee. Don't bother to send the form in to TCLOSE for the state qual card. That won't issue us one because we do not qualify as Peace Officers to them. Just keep the copy the instructor gives you/him.
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FWIW, there is nothing in LEOSA that says reserve personnel are not covered by it. I am waiting for a change in the policy at my prior agency based on the research I did for them to correct that misunderstanding so I can obtain my ID.
I think that reserves are not included is a given. In most states a LEO means you are full time and paid. So you you must be current or with at least 10 years as a full time paid officer. At least that is the case in New Mexico and Arizona.

Also I don't think there are any changes to the part that says you must qualify to the Police Standards of the state in which you reside.

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Thanks for taking care of the members of "The Thin Blue Line".. I am headed to the Clackamas County Public Safety Range on May 1 for my annual HR218 qualification...

Had the priviledge of being on the original Public Safety Committee when we were just getting HR218 going here in Oregon. It is really nice to be able to carry when I am out of state...............
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I think that reserves are not included is a given. In most states a LEO means you are full time and paid. So you you must be current or with at least 10 years as a full time paid officer. At least that is the case in New Mexico and Arizona.

Also I don't think there are any changes to the part that says you must qualify to the Police Standards of the state in which you reside.
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I just did the research on this issue for my old agency. The memo is most of 7 pages. The law here is pretty clear on the LE weapon exemptions; reserves get the same as FT, on or off duty. The folklore is a different issue. Even in California the result is the same. The definitions of LEOSA do not distinguish between full and part time, and THAT is the definition that counts.
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I was not in the least bit surprised when my agency looked into getting a LEOSA Course set up at our range for the retirees and then -- cancelled ALL plans to offer it.

Seems the City Attorney's Office and P.D. Attorney looked into it - and, my former agency and city, known far and wide for being severely allergic to ANYTHING that even might spell L I A B I L I T Y , decided that, horror of horrors, the PD was about to have people on the range that were NOT sworn NOR even employed by the city.
It all screeched to a halt.

I liked this country so much more when attorneys didn't run it.
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JTPUR, are you still in here somewhere? Sorry about getting in here late, however..
I just recently became aware of the 2010 & 2013 revisions of HR218. I was hoping that the 84th Texas Legislature session would make adjustments to state law because of the revisions, they didn't.

The NRA LEOSA FAQ website states that the revisions doesn't draw a distinction of active duty and reserve LEOs. The revision also lower the retirement requirement from 15+ years to 10+ years.

I am a retired reserve deputy in the gulf coast area. I have 11 years service and left in good standing.

My department says texas law requires 15 years or more and won't let me qualify.
I want to utilize LEOSA and I meet LEOSA requirements, do you know of any remedy for retirees in my predicament to get the firearms qualification?
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I liked this country so much more when attorneys didn't run it.
You must be REALLY old; Attorneys have run this country for its entire existence, including most of our Presidents since 1797, almost every state and federal judge and justice, every state and federal attorney general and many legislators. If you include those who studied the law but did not become lawyers the numbers go much higher and include President Madison who drafted, among other things, the Second Amendment.

Most of the members of the constitutional convention were lawyers or had legal educations. By the way, most of the Second Amendment inroads we have made in the last few years were the result of lawyers arguing the Second Amendment to judges and justices (who are, after all, lawyers).

I might point out recent comments by the former Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, who advocates the almost complete seizure of guns in the U.S., much as he accomplished in Australia. Mr. Howard recently wrote about how..."Australia, correctly in my view, does not have a Bill of Rights, so our legislatures have more say than America’s over many issues of individual rights, and our courts have less control...."

Lawyers will continue to run this country long after you and I are dead. The issue is not that lawyers run the country; it is which lawyers run the country.
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The NRA LEOSA FAQ website states that the revisions doesn't draw a distinction of active duty and reserve LEOs. The revision also lower the retirement requirement from 15+ years to 10+ years.

I am a retired reserve deputy in the gulf coast area. I have 11 years service and left in good standing.

My department says texas law requires 15 years or more and won't let me qualify.
I want to utilize LEOSA and I meet LEOSA requirements, do you know of any remedy for retirees in my predicament to get the firearms qualification?
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Why did the state even bother with its own version? We don't have anything like that here, so I never had to worry about it. I did the research memo mentioned above, which carried the day.

As for liability fears, oh for pete's sake. Any such liability risk, IF ANY, which I doubt, is very tiny.
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My Agency's qualifications for "Retired Cops" is the same as qualifications for our "Full Timers". 3, 7, 15, and 25 yards. The "New" 25 yards is six shots at the head.
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for you folks living in Texas who are retired LEO's. If you have a Texas CHL that gives you authority to carry in Texas and about 33 other states.

It does not keep you qualifed under LEOSA. That is a yearly qualification. The Texas CHL is valid for 5 years.

The course of fire is the same......ALMOST......the difference is that a LEO must demonstrate "one timed reload." I have yet to find the definition of "timed" as meaning "how long" I looked at TCLOSE standards very clearly and it does not address it either....Not that some specific Texas Law Enforcement agencies might have some standard but as far as I can see does it say what a "timed reload" is for retired people....hope this helps.
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This is why I do't leave Florida....just kidding , thanks to all you guys for your service. Stay safe!
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Thanks to RBMAC52 who told me about retired Law Enforcement Officers qualifying in Texas, I want to propose the following to retired out of State (Texas) retired Law Enforcement Officers, especially retired Federal LEO's who have a very difficult time getting qualified under the LEOSA Act 2004, more commonly known as HR 218.

I am a Certified Texas Handgun Instructor and retired Law Enforcement Officer. I am in the Dallas/Ft Worth Metroplex.

I will gladly qualify any retired Law Enforcement Officer, Federal, State or Local type who retired from an out of State Texas Jurisdiction and who now live in Texas.

My fee for you retired guys is a lunch and an hour or so of telling "war stories." can't beat the price can ya?

get in touch with me via this site and Ill provide you with a contact number. Sundays/Mondays are my best known days to get together other times can be arranged. You must be living in Texas but retired from out of State or Federal and meet the guidlines established by HR 218..

Thanks and be safe.
Where are you located in the State of Texas?

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JTpur, Could you send me an email with your contact info?
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I am from TX. A number of years ago I was trying to get my wife to move back with me. I made 3 trips down to the small town in east TX I wished to live in. I checked on everything I could think of, and even found a nice building site. I easily found a retired TX peace officer who would get me qualified. When my wife came down on the last trip, she appeared to like it. When we got back home she didn't want to move. TX people are great, I really miss it, but don't have a chance of returning. There are great people here, too, but I will always miss TX.
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Sure am glad somebody resurrected this thread, since it originally was posted years before I joined.
I was an auxiliary officer (what my state calls "reserves") for 20 years, paying for my own training, equipment, and supplies. Same 40-hour basic weapons as required for paid officers, plus the week-long NRA LEO firearms instructor course and several hundred hours of other weapons schools. I'm state-certified as an LEO instructor, and can teach and certify results of the 40-hour course and re-qualifications. But, of course,my former department and the state standards board both take the position that if I did it for free, it don't count. Frankly, not worth a protracted fight--I have a couple of CCLs that cover me everyplace I am likely to travel. I sure hope anybody in a similar situation with reserve / auxiliary service can do better for themselves.

Either way, my hat's off to jtpur in Texas who's doing his bit to help the retired guys.
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for you folks living in Texas who are retired LEO's. If you have a Texas CHL that gives you authority to carry in Texas and about 33 other states.

It does not keep you qualifed under LEOSA. That is a yearly qualification. The Texas CHL is valid for 5 years.

The course of fire is the same......ALMOST......the difference is that a LEO must demonstrate "one timed reload." I have yet to find the definition of "timed" as meaning "how long" I looked at TCLOSE standards very clearly and it does not address it either....Not that some specific Texas Law Enforcement agencies might have some standard but as far as I can see does it say what a "timed reload" is for retired people....hope this helps.
"Timed" means timed. Words have meaning. Record how long it took . . .
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Groo here
I have one also.
In our state OPOTA [ state teachers] runs things.
Nice thing is many instructors run qualifications for the retired
cutting the lib department heads out of the loop.
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The NRA LEOSA FAQ website states that the revisions doesn't draw a distinction of active duty and reserve LEOs. The revision also lower the retirement requirement from 15+ years to 10+ years.

I am a retired reserve deputy in the gulf coast area. I have 11 years service and left in good standing.

My department says texas law requires 15 years or more and won't let me qualify.
I want to utilize LEOSA and I meet LEOSA requirements, do you know of any remedy for retirees in my predicament to get the firearms qualification?
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How does Texas state law impact the FEDERAL law in question? 18 USC 926(c) requires 10 years, and that controls under the supremacy clause.
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Been running 30 seconds on the timed reload for 20 years and 3 different agencies.
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Sure am glad somebody resurrected this thread, since it originally was posted years before I joined.
I was an auxiliary officer (what my state calls "reserves") for 20 years, paying for my own training, equipment, and supplies. Same 40-hour basic weapons as required for paid officers, plus the week-long NRA LEO firearms instructor course and several hundred hours of other weapons schools. I'm state-certified as an LEO instructor, and can teach and certify results of the 40-hour course and re-qualifications. But, of course,my former department and the state standards board both take the position that if I did it for free, it don't count. Frankly, not worth a protracted fight--I have a couple of CCLs that cover me everyplace I am likely to travel. I sure hope anybody in a similar situation with reserve / auxiliary service can do better for themselves.

Either way, my hat's off to jtpur in Texas who's doing his bit to help the retired guys.
I served as a Reserve Officer for 17 years and still serving as a Constable for >16 years (but most police chiefs in MA don't consider Constables as LEOs even though we have statutory arrest powers). My former chief would never have issued me LEOSA credentials, however the current one said that he's open to that discussion. The MA chiefs org was dead set against LEOSA and assisted in creating regulations that violate the federal law (intentionally, I was at that hearing and subsequent meeting). To say that they make it difficult is an understatement. Meanwhile like you, I have licenses from the states that I travel in and due to the "security theater" of TSA have no plans to ever fly anywhere again in my lifetime.
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I served as a Reserve Officer for 17 years and still serving as a Constable for >16 years (but most police chiefs in MA don't consider Constables as LEOs even though we have statutory arrest powers). My former chief would never have issued me LEOSA credentials, however the current one said that he's open to that discussion. The MA chiefs org was dead set against LEOSA and assisted in creating regulations that violate the federal law (intentionally, I was at that hearing and subsequent meeting). To say that they make it difficult is an understatement. Meanwhile like you, I have licenses from the states that I travel in and due to the "security theater" of TSA have no plans to ever fly anywhere again in my lifetime.
Were you issued a photographic identification issued by the agency AFTER you separated from service as a law enforcement officer that indicates that you were employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer?
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Were you issued a photographic identification issued by the agency AFTER you separated from service as a law enforcement officer that indicates that you were employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer?
No, over those years I worked for 3 chiefs, the last one for 4 years and he never issued us any ID. The last police ID I have was issued sometime in the mid-1980s and that chief retired in 1992.

The current chief, appointed last year is the one who told me that he's open to the idea of issuing me that ID.
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I am no longer in Texas nor an instructor any more. I can not qualify any one.
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