Thanks to RBMAC52 who told me about retired Law Enforcement Officers qualifying in Texas, I want to propose the following to retired out of State (Texas) retired Law Enforcement Officers, especially retired Federal LEO's who have a very difficult time getting qualified under the LEOSA Act 2004, more commonly known as HR 218.

I am a Certified Texas Handgun Instructor and retired Law Enforcement Officer. I am in the Dallas/Ft Worth Metroplex.

I will gladly qualify any retired Law Enforcement Officer, Federal, State or Local type who retired from an out of State Texas Jurisdiction and who now live in Texas.

My fee for you retired guys is a lunch and an hour or so of telling "war stories." can't beat the price can ya?

get in touch with me via this site and Ill provide you with a contact number. Sundays/Mondays are my best known days to get together other times can be arranged. You must be living in Texas but retired from out of State or Federal and meet the guidlines established by HR 218..

Thanks and be safe.

I don't live in Texas, but thanks for taking care of retired guys!

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Fidelis Ad Mortem

I'm not in your area either but that sure is a decent offer you're making!

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Good job, jtpur. Wish I could buy you a lunch...perhaps I will.

Be safe.

>>>ditto<<<

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KK4EMO

Thanks for taking the time to get the word out about your availability to handle the qualification for us Texas retirees.

Bob

Actually the thanks goes to you my friend for telling me what they could not tell us at our Instructor Course. Your direction to the TCLOSE website provided me the paperwork necessary to understand the process and that we could do this. I appreciate it...now if only some guys would take advantage of the offer.

just tryin to keep the subject open...so far no takers...come on you old retired guys......remember.....livin in Texas, retired LEO, (Federal, State or Local) from outside Texas.....now living in Texas who want to qualify and carry under LEOSA, I can and will...no charge.....qualify you...contact me for the details.....

Weird, guys would kill for this privelige in NYC. I am retired from NYPD. I live in and qualified in Va for leosa. It is great for peace of mind to have a gun and travel anywhere in the States that you want to.

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The LEOSA was adminded, you don't have to qualify in your state, or your state of residence. Any qualified LE firearms instructor, can qualify you using their state's or your states qualification. As long as that instructor is quaified in that state.

Reason I'm asking this is, your statement about Retired Texas LE Officers.

I live in a relatively small county, turnover in LE here and finding a instructor who hangs around that will qualify someone is not real consistant.

Every 4th of July I take a road trip to my daughters house in portland for a little get together.

Clackamas County Sheriff's office runs a indoor range, open to the public. They reserve the first tuesday of every month to qualify retired LE Officers. It's highly professional, but being an indoor range, they require you to use their ammo. (lead free stuff), so they do charge $45 which covers the ammo, (25 rounds, you get to keep the other 25 out of a box of 50).

All I'm trying to point out, is you can qualify others, not just Texans. You might get more takers from adjoining states.

But Contgrats for doing this which helps our retired LE comrads.

I'd like to take you up on your offer but the drive to DFW from Austin and back in my 11 mpg truck would cost more than the price to qualify locally.

How about I shoot the course at my range here and mail you the target for grading and the forms?

Good for you for looking out for us retirees. I still live in my former jurisdiction and re-qualified for LEOSA on Wednesday.

Do retired LEOs have to qualify in order to carry in Texas? Yearly?

Do you need a special license or permit to carry or does your badge/ID suffice?

I thought retired LEOs could now carry anywhere in the US.

I don't know the gun laws of texas, but I'll use Wyoming. I don't need any license to carry in Wyoming. Constitutional Carry. But when people had to have permits here you didn't have to qualify. I would think that if you lived in texas, and had a regular CC permit, you could go by their rules. If they don't require yearly qualifications you wouldn't have to if you had a Tex Permit.

However, I carry per HR 218. All you need as a retired LE officer is a retired ID card from your department, PLUS you have to qualify once a year and that qualification paper/card also needs to be carried.

And yes the LEOSA allows your to carry anywhere in the US except of course special places like fed court houses and such.

Something else I've heard, and don't know for sure is weird laws like New Jersey. NJ can't keep you from carrying, but they do prevent you from carrying hollowpoints. IF you're going to NJ you really need to look into that.

Wont effect me for two reasons, I wont go to NJ and I don't carry hollow points but its something to take into account.

No longer true, kraigwy. LEOSA revision corrected/eliminated that prohibition.

Be safe.

I won't go to New Jersey either , and I live 30mi away in PA!

...for taking your time for us LEOs! I wish there was someone up in the Everett, WA area who can/will qualify us. The local agencies won't do it due to costs/insurance/time problems. If anyone knows of an instructor up my way........

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for you folks living in Texas who are retired LEO's. If you have a Texas CHL that gives you authority to carry in Texas and about 33 other states.

It does not keep you qualifed under LEOSA. That is a yearly qualification. The Texas CHL is valid for 5 years.

The course of fire is the same......ALMOST......the difference is that a LEO must demonstrate "one timed reload." I have yet to find the definition of "timed" as meaning "how long" I looked at TCLOSE standards very clearly and it does not address it either....Not that some specific Texas Law Enforcement agencies might have some standard but as far as I can see does it say what a "timed reload" is for retired people....hope this helps.

CJTC is doing them in Burien.

I don't know where up my way is, you list the North West. There are a couple places in Oregon and some in Washington, not sure of the name.

I go to the Clackamas County (Portland Area) on 82nd and Sunnyside Road (Clackamas Country Town Center). Public range where they reserve the 1st Tuesday every month for Retirees to qualify. $45 bucks and they furnish the ammo. Real nice people, real professional.

now the trick is getting a "served 10 years honorably" i.d.

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COP TO COP, THANKS

On my job that is called a "Good guy" letter. It is a letter that say's: 'so an so was employed by so and so dept. from jan 1983 to jan 2003 and retired in good standing or resigned in good standing."

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If I am not mistaken, LEOSA requires that the individual must:

1) be a qualifying ACTIVE or HONORABLY RETIRED peace officer with VALID credentials issued by his/her agency AND

2) carry a "qualification card" issued by an approved government entity, verifying that the individual has satisfactorily completed a course of fire meeting the minimum requirements set forth under the act.

I don't believe the act covers individuals who have served honorably for the minimum duration required under the act, but who separated from service for whatever reason BEFORE actual retirement.

If someone knows differently, I would be interested to learn more about this.

there was an amendment that obama of all people signed that has went into effect.....10 aggregated years of service and seperation under honorable terms now falls under the LEOSA. the problem is how do you get an i.d. for that? 5 years with dept. A, 5 years with dept. Z, 10 years total....now what? hope for the best?

i will look for a link, my google powers are still groggy right now....

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LEOSA improvement act changed it.


(C) in paragraph (3)—
(i) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘retirement,
was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer
for an aggregate of 15 years or more’’ and inserting
‘‘separation, served as a law enforcement officer for
an aggregate of 10 years or more’’; and
(ii) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘retired’’ and
inserting ‘‘separated’’;


See the entire act here:
HR 218 LEOSA Improvement

I'm glad to hear there has been an amendment to the act that includes non-retired former peace officers to carry, but I can see the difficulty in trying to obtain an ID card attesting to the required minimum service, particularly when that service is spread out among more than one agency. Good luck to those of you out there dealing with this issue.

id like to see who has been able to do that.

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I'm interested in taking you up on your offer. Can you give me contact info.

Longshanks

my offer?

contact info for what?

im one of those guys with 10 years of policing under my belt. 5 as a trooper in the urban "midwest", and 5 (currently with) with a small town in the deep south.

should i hit the lotto tomorrow, id like to take it easy for the rest of my life.....but dont want to get out of policing entirely, maybe stay on as a reserve....

but reserve policing doesnt count towards the LEOSA in terms of being honorably separated with 10 years of service.....

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glad this is still going and hope someone takes me up on the offer.....if your retired pass it on to other retired folks so they know to

Sacramento Police Officers Assn. hold 3 quals a year and we qualify retired officers that have moved to our area. The summer shoot is also a free BBQ just bring 30 rounds of ammo for the course. PM me if you need info. Also our Qual card is a sticker you put onto your I.D. card.

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20 years Mil, 18 yrs Sac P.D.

I am very interested in yoiur offer. I live near DFW and would like to arrange a time. If you could provide contact info. Thank you for your effort

i still havent found out how or if anybody else has been able to "prove" their 10 years of police service from two different agencies to be covered under LEOSA.

does one just go along for the ride with the arrest until one is in court and subpoenas from the previous agencies prove the 10 year mark?

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See if the city/county/state treasurer...whoever issued your paychecks for the agencies will sign a letter stating your service credit accrual. Another possible option is, did you pay into a retirement system with those agencies, if so, maybe they'd have the necessary documents. Good luck.

The problem is not getting a signed letter certifying service credit. The problem for those with 10 yrs service will be getting a photo ID from the agency in which they separated. A photo ID is required by LEOSA. Just a letter from some treasurer doesn't cut it.
"T18 USC 926C(d)
(d) The identification required by this subsection is -
(1) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training as established by the agency to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or
(2)(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer; and
(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual resides or by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State that indicates that the individual has, not less than 1 year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State to have met - ..."

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ispcapt is, of course, correct. LEOSA certification is quite stringent as to specific requirements. Maryland even requires "night" quals.

Be safe.

Far too many people fail to think the scenario thru very far. Many think they can rely on "good faith and trust" from fellow LEOs if stopped and they don't have a photo ID or they haven't completed the annual qual shoot. Your fellow LEO stopping you is the very least of the problem.
Think it thru. You're a retired/separated LEO but your agency doesn't issue an ID card. You decide you're going to carry anyway. Carrying without a photo ID card does not meet the requirements in LEOSA therefore you are not protected by LEOSA. Now you're involved in a shooting. It doesn't matter what friendly LEO shows up. You aren't covered by LEOSA because you didn't meet ALL the requirements of LEOSA. Therefore, you're carrying the gun illegally. You've just jammed yourself up both criminally and civilly. Guess what you're going to be doing the next few years of your retirement? It sure won't be fishing, traveling, and playing golf.

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Sorry, I must have read his post wrong, I thought he was having trouble establishing his 10 years of service credit from two different LE agencies. The law is very clear on the Photo ID requirements but he didn't mention that being a problem to obtain.

Thanks, your doing a great service. I'm in Oregon myself and played hell till I heard about Clackamas County. Two hour drive but you gotta do what you gotta do! I even went as far as getting a CCW to cover my bases.

Guess what else you aren't.......dead.

Completely not the issue and not a very deep thinker. Think about it a bit more deeply than you have. What's your most likely chance of getting caught carrying an illegal gun? To help you out - just your normal day to day routine. Most likely it won't be the result of a shooting.
So you're sitting in prison with a felony conviction simply because you didn't take the time or make the effort to follow the law or thought the law didn't apply to you? Gee, how many did I lock up in my career who thought the same way? Or are you one of the LEOs who thinks the laws won't apply to them?

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Well, I would take offense to your tone but I was well aware that that I was speaking to (1) a trooper (2) trooper brass (3) someone that graduated from junior G-man school. But I digress.

You originally stated "Now you're involved in a shooting. It doesn't matter what friendly LEO shows up..." To which I replied "Guess what else you aren't.......dead".

Now you want to fling insults such as "not a very deep thinker" and insinuating that I "one of the LEOs who thinks the laws won't apply to them."

I don't know about you but I'm really not worried about being caught carrying an illegal gun (sic) since the last time I found myself on the receiving end of a "stop and frisk" was........never.

For the record, I would never advocate that someone not take a few easy steps to be in compliance if that is possible. However a few posters have stated that it is not always possible.

I part with a joke: What is the difference between a State Police Captain and God? God knows he isn't a State Police Captain.

Stay safe.

Intersting point about cops who think they are above the law. I never thought I was and I never thought anyone else was either.....I can even see circumstances that would cause me to have to arrest a brother officer. Armed Robbery comes to mind.....Rape, murder, burglary, grand theft....but I gotta be honest, i don't (or didn't ) when i was on active duty write tickets to fellow cops, whether on my department or some other department. I have even driven a few home who had too much to drink and unless they were involved in a multi car accident where innocent folks were involved I did not make a federal case out of their drinking indescrition. I have even driven a few brothers and a sister to an AA meeting when it was dictated. I don't think I would lock up a retired guy for carrying his gun either....Im just sayin....seems here where I live cops are locking cops up all the time for issues that would best be handled by IA.....but maybe its the new breed....I do not believe in Blue silence or lying to protect somone for excessive force either. Tell the truth and let the chips fall where they fall, but minor stuff, nope its not me......and if you non cops take offense so be it. I know that if Im getting my butt kicked on the street only a cop or a retired guy is guranteed to stop and help and maybe not even the retired guy...no sense in locking up the guy who is going to bail my butt out of a beating....so again if you dont like my attitude on this,its your problem not mine.,

and by the way, I poured plenty of non cops into cabs, called their wives (often the better part of the justice system) Mom's or Dad to come get their polluted relative. I did not find it necessary to arrest every person I came across. My job was to protect and enforce the law and if I got a drunk off the street, civillian or cop I did my job.

If you want to compare arrests and cases I'm happy to put my work up against anyone's. Who you are speaking to is someone who has obviously seen, been involved in, and more fully aware of those types of situations that you.
Think thru the all of the consequences before you embarrass yourself. Trying to give cutesy type answers doesn't address the issue and only shows how limited you are in your critical thinking skills. I know critical thinking appears to be a difficult task for you but I promise it won't hurt.

Like that means anything. When will be the next time?
Think about the odds. What's the chances you'll be involved in a shooting compared to the chances you'll be caught carrying? Since you don't seem to think things thru very far - you're a whole lot more likely to be caught carrying than using it.
See you've just proved my point. You're not a very deep thinker about the full consequences of actions. Sounds like a lot of knuckleheads I've locked up over the years. It wasn't going to happen to them.

.And if it's not possible then you suggest what? Violate the law? Do you advocate a fellow LEO commit a felony? Think about it. That's exactly what would be happening. Now think a bit deeper. Think about the consequences of committing that felony in another state. Think about sitting in jail awaiting bond. May be overnight, may the weekend. Think about paying an out of state attorney to represent you. Think about having to return out of state multiple times for pre-trial hearings. Think about returning for trial. Think about the consequences of a felony conviction. Or maybe - just think.

This one knows the consequences of illegal actions and is obviously a bit more intuned to thinking thru consequences.
You want to risk your retirement to a felony? You are you capable of thinking situations that far advanced? You've already shown the answer to that question.

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Perhaps we should get back to the LEOSA topic. I met with a retired federal guy last week and got him qualified for his TCLEOSE certification. He paid with two good 'war stories." It was fun for me, I also heard from a retired guy who wants to get together for a qual and I am looking forward to doing so......

New at this site. My Husband is retired from the Federal Bureau of Prisons. We trying to find information on getting him requalified. I am still employed by the Bureau and can't seem to find any information.

Go to http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf and scroll down to the LEOSA Header. Info you are seeking can be found there. Hope this helps. Also go to the main page at Handgunlaw.us and click on your home state on the main page map. LEOSA Info for that state is near the bottom of the PDF for you state that opens.

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FWIW, there is nothing in LEOSA that says reserve personnel are not covered by it. I am waiting for a change in the policy at my prior agency based on the research I did for them to correct that misunderstanding so I can obtain my ID.

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