Lovette's Snubby book

Ed Lovette (the author) is a fine convincing writer. After the first 2 chapters, I was already sold.

If you are one of those who thinks the snub-nose revolver is only for people who cannot handle a 45ACP or 357 Mag gun, you need to read this book. It's simple and very straight-forward. I finished reading it in under 2 hours.

It is an excellent book. I've read it a few times. It's one of the reasons I switched from semi-autos to revolvers for self-defense and carry.

May be I should have posted this on the semi-auto section to bring up something other than rate of fire.

it's a must read for the revolver carrier (snubby or not). I'd also recommend Stephen Camp's book on the Airweight J frame (lots of great info, airweight or not).

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i read it and liked it a lot. it is sitting on my shelf as i type!

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I just ordered it on my wife's Kindle. Thanks, B

+1 on this book and Stephen Camp's. Both are excellent and essential reading.

I couldn't find Stephen Camp's book for my Kindle on Amazon. What is the title ?

I agree with what everyone says about Lovette's book.

I recently worked as a safety officer for a number of gun companies who were displaying their wares for gun sales people and tried out quite a few of their handguns. While I am very fond of S&W j frames I was very impressed with the triggers and handling of the Ruger LCR revolvers. I shot both the 357 and the 38 and liked them so much that I've ordered the 38.

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I like Ike.

They're for people who have to disarm frequently.

Until the restaurant carry bill here goes into effect in 90 days, I have to disarm just to eat lunch at Chipotle. There's no comparison in difficulty between removing a Glock 19 in a tuckable IWB and removing a Model 36 in a pocket holster. Putting the IWB back on while sitting in a car is another story altogether.

It's a self-published book and, now that he has passed on, I don't even know if it's available.

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Centennial Every Day

Yes, this is one of the primary advantages to the snubby. I'm constantly in and out of non-permissive environments and a 642 in the pocket is the ideal (low profile) solution.

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Centennial Every Day

That's when I go find another (and probably better) Mexican restaurant. About the only places I go into that don't allow guns are hospitals and the post office since there aren't many options for these. Since recieving my CHL, I noticed my Ford dealer had "no guns allowed" signs so I wrote a letter to the owner. After a meeting with some of his staff, he had his assistant call me to tell me the sign were coming down and that he agreed they did no good in stopping anyone looking to do harm with a gun.

Me too...I've tried a number of S&W J-frames, but I just bought a LCR in .357 Mag. (I've owned an LCR before but traded it because I thought I needed a metal J-frame.)

I chose the .357 version because I wanted a little bit more weight to help with recoil. I plan to carry it with .38s in it (Hornady Critical Defense) rather than .357s.

Many states do not permit carry in restaurants that sell any amount of booze. Not sure if OH is one or not.

p.s. In Texas, you can carry in hospitals (churches also) that are not 30.06 posted.

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GKC ... At the range where I was working a number of the gun salesmen shot the LCR 357 version rapid fire at close range and also shot it strong hand only. None appeared to have any problem handling it. Not sure about extended practice sessions as most only shot 5 or 10 rounds. I bought the 38 because it was slightly smaller and lighter and I am also going to use 38 +P.

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I like Ike.

I thought that carry in a hospital was OK in Texas also but my wife works at one and is told it is not. Chapter 411.204 of the Texas CHL laws says "hospitals licensed under chapter 241 MUST display a sign stating that the carrying of a firearm on the premises is illegal". It then goes into specific wording of the sign. This is the same section of the law that prohibits firearms in places that derive more than 51% of its revenue from alcohol.

Sorry if I confused anybody...Ed Lovette's book is the one I downloaded to the Kindle (and my wife's ipad and my iphone). I've read six chapters already and I NEVER read books other than the Bible. I just don't like reading that much...never have...but this book is right on. Very interesting information about the Snubby revolver (of which I have a couple). Thanks for the recommendation! B

This from the DPS website...

"Furthermore, you may not carry handguns in hospitals or nursing homes, amusement parks, places of worship or at government meetings, if signs are posted prohibiting them."

The "sign" they are referring to is the 30.06 sign. If no sign, you can carry.

I highly recommend Charles Cotton's forum for excellent Texas CHL information.

TexasCHLforum.com • Index page

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Centennial Every Day

Ohio is one... until approximately 90 days from now, when the new restaurant (and vehicle carry reform) bill goes into effect.

Until that time, ANY facility with a Class D (on premise consumption) liquor license is a statutory CPZ in Ohio. I've never seen a Chipotle here that was posted. It doesn't matter. If they've got a liquor license, you can't carry there, the same as for Applebee's, Longhorn Steakhouse, etc.

The usual legal confusion, one part of the code says one thing, another part another thing. I don't know what the 421 license is for the hospitals, perhaps that is what applies to where she works. I need to do more research because I'd really like her to carry every day. She could leave it in her car but then she's not protected walking in the parking lot where most of the problems occur. Also, she often takes the train so then she couldn't carry it at all since it can't go into the hospital.

I have a similar issue, since I work 2nd shift at a large hospital here. The hospital's posted and I park in their parking garage, since there's either no place to park or any place you'd WANT to park that you'd have to walk to, unarmed, at 12:30 at night.

We moved to a different building this week, but I'm still parked in the same garage three blocks away. I didn't know whether the hospital buildings along the way would be open (I think that one I tried wasn't), I ended up just walking down Carnegie back to E89th Street. The first thing I did was move my boxcutter (for opening monitor boxes) from inside the bag I carry to the unzipped outside pocket.

The 241 has nothing to do with weapons. It's the code related to the licensing of hospitals. I've copied Chapter 46 below. Notice at the very bottom the exclusion for carry in hospitals for license holders that have not been given effective notice. Please also consider that her employment manual may prohibit the carrying of weapons by a employee. She can be fired if that is the case and she is caught carrying but this does not have anything to do with Chapter 46.

CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS

§ 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a governmental entity.
(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
(e) A license holder who is licensed as a security officer under Chapter 1702, Occupations Code, and employed as a security officer commits an offense if, while in the course and scope of the security officer's employment, the security officer violates a provision of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(f) In this section:
(1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
(2) "License holder" means a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
(g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third degree.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been justified in the use of deadly force under Chapter 9.
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

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Centennial Every Day

So it looks like section B number 4 is what applies to my wife IF it is a hospital licensed under chapter 241 (whatever that is). Her employee manual doesn't address firearms.

I'm quite sure the hospital is licensed under 241 if it is a public hospital. (b)(4) provides the prohibition and (i) provides the "permission" if she has not been given effective notice per section 30.06 (either an official 30.06 sign or official verbal notice that meets the requirements of 30.06).

It's a typical Texas convoluted legal way of saying if the hospital has not put up a legal sign or given her legal verbal notice, then she can carry. The history behind this is, originally, licensed carry was prohibited and then they amended the law with (i) so that carry is permitted if not given legal notice. Most 241 hospitals are now placing legal 30.06 signs but there are some that don't.

Edit to add: Chapter 241 of the Health and Safety Code is the part of the state law that regulates public hospitals.

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Centennial Every Day

I almost feel like this is one of those cases of "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" if she does decide to carry at work. If she does it correctly, no one would know until she needed to use it. We already know of a number of doctors and a few of the nurses that do carry in the hospital. After two shooting and about six assaults in the last two years, who can blame them.

Hmm. Sounds like she works at the county hospital? If so, there is another complicating factor. It is a training hospital and some consider the building to be a school. If so, it would definitely be off limits and a felony if busted carrying there.

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Not county but non profit and they do have residency and intern programs there so I'm not sure about whether it would also be considered a school. I guess something else to look into.

Wobbly?????

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Thirty characters. Exactly...

I tried looking it up but just got dizzy...

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Back to the topic ...

I am reading Lovette's "The Snubby Revolver" and while I do find it quite informative, I can't shake the feeling that he previously wrote this book as a personal-defense type of manual and inserted the snub nosed references as needed at a later time. It could as easily be titled "The Whatever Revolver".

Don't get me wrong, it's a good read but I expected a lot more information about the Snubby Revolver itself.

Just purchased for kindle, better be good or you owe me $9.99

I'm not much of a wheelgun guy. Maybe you can convert me.

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