As an Officer in two states over 28 years, you need to daily daily daily go to local PD, Sheriff, LEO office and complain. After your 10th or 20th complaint, if you use a firearm on a animal it will be well more tolerated than just shooting a dog while riding passed. I would also, personally, just chat with an attroney, one like those ambulance chasers on the morning judge shows, just to have a name to throw around. Lawsuits, and documentation are two things that scare the **** out of Police management, and supervision.
You also need to go with an Officer in attendance and discuss the situation with any suspect dog owner. Documentation is the key to not losing your home. If a judge/jury sees you as a bicyclist with a trigger finger, you will lose everything. Believe me, I have seen it.

Consider giving up riding a bicycle and foot chase girls at the park for exercise.

I was involved in a case where the owner of a puppy Rottweiler ( 9 Months ) gave the dog away because of his wife's premature labor. Papers were signed to show ownership of dog transfer and signed by a notary.
Long story short, the dog supposedly jumped the fence and bit a person holding a toy throwing it to dog/puppy to retrieve. The person claimed a bite in thumb, admitted the dog did it accidentally as he jumped to retrieve his toy. The new owner admitted to lying and signing a false name on transfer affadavit, and did not actually live at address given. ( She was just looking for a lawsuit )
Case went to trial, original dog's owner, insurance company would not assist because incident happened off property, and bottom line, original owner had to pay $10,000 out of pocket. Even worse, dog had to be put down because now he was a PROVEN biter. Be very careful about your advice, your willingness to draw a weapon, and worse use it.
Just for your consideration, poor dog died, homeowner sued, and scum who adopted dog got 10,000.
Wrong jury, wrong judge, non documented transfer, person was lucky not to lose their home to this animal, not the Rotti I am talking about.

The people signing the document did not have to show ID to the notary ? The seller did not ask to see ID, yet used a notary ? The paper was signed in the presence of a notary ? The fraud buyer was not charged with a fraud ? There must be more to this story.

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Well if that is the case, it just opens up an entire world of possibilities in fluffy abatement doesn’t it, all of which are in your favor. Use a little imagination.

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Lady had a fake license, notary was a $2 fee, civil matter so no fraud/police were involved. Owners wife was in hospital, plus he had a premie boy at home already, his head was probably already up his arse, working full time midnight shift, and just wanted to get dog a good home. Nothing more, that simple. Some human lower than life human animal came along, saw an opportunity and had nothing to lose. Personally, I hope they died a miserable death slowly and a long time ago.
I Was an Officer at scene, and believe me there was nothing more than a newspaper ad for dog adoption, a response by some piece of sxxxxtlawsuit seeker, and a dead animal, after the stress of months of going to court trying to keep the animal alive. Fake licenses, pictures of property that are not yours where dog is supposedly going to reside are real easy to obtain. Dog put down, Judge ordered a $10,000 verdict for pain and suffering, even though potential owner lied, hopefully if their is a higher power, the potential owners children all died of cancer too. Beautiful loving animal put down for 10,000 cash. What a shame. And that is being kind. And no, I don't think that people like that should be allowed to breed, so please save negative comments, My opinion.

I am to old to ride a bike so I walk if a Dog tries to bite me I yell at them it has worked so far if they try to bite I would let the air out of them.

What many people fail to understand is certain breeds of dogs are not covered under their owners homeowner insurance.

Owners that allow their dogs to roam off their property is asking for additional liability for not keeping the dog in a fenced yard.

I have three Yorkies and a Sheltie and none are biters or vicious but they all stay on this property.

Dogs are not just aggressive toward bicycle riders but also joggers, walkers and other dogs.

A good taser is handy to carry for dogs and less lethal.

I am not in favor of any dog running loose, but I have been in situations where I wanted to get out of my car and bite the bicyclist for ignoring the rules of the road, weaving in and out of the lanes of traffic, running red lights when you have the right-a way to turn right on a red light, or just plain running the red light.

Just as there are irresponsible dog owners there are irresponsible bicyclist.

If you have a bike lane only then use it.

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One failed experience with canned spray is all it took to convince me not to rely on it. I was working for a utility company doing field work after a storm when a rotwilder caught me by surprise. The company issued spray was clipped to my belt, and I gave him a face full ot it - to no effect! Thank God for the high voltage "hot stick" we were also required to carry.
My biking days are for the most part over, but were I a regular biker I would certainly be carrying. And if someones dog (kid or not) chose to attack me I wouldn't be thinking about anything but accurate shots...let the owner suffer from the carelessnes of his actions - not me.

My thoughts exaactly. Going back specifically to shoot the dog would be akin to going to a guy's house that burglarized you last week and shooting him.

Defense of yourself at the moment is far different than going back to exact retribution.

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This is an old thread that is largely resolved, but I'll add my two cents anyway:

All the OP did was revisit the location the attack, armed. Legal. The dog aggressively charged again. Not wanting a repeat of his first experience--shot it. Legal. He didn't go and murder the dog.

I love dogs. Miss Kate is one of my best friends.

But going through what you have been, I am reminded of an alternative use for an 8' Fisher Plow and a 3/4 ton truck.

This is an old thread . . . I have since made amends with the owner of the dog I shot. It was better than a year later when I was on my way home one Saturday afternoon and I saw a pickup truck, that I thought I recognized, apparently broken down on the side of the highway. I was off duty and in my own pickup but I pulled in behind to see what the trouble was.

I had my handheld radio with me so I radioed in, "Unit 4 to S.O."

"Unit 4 go ahead."

"S.O., I'm in my POV and going to be out with a stranded motorist on the highway at Ball Hill. White Dodge pickup with LPN XXX-XXX."

"10-4 Unit 4. Let me know if you need further assistance."

When I walked up I immediately recognized the fellow, and he recognized me as well.

"Hey, you're the guy that shot my dog!"

"Yes sir, and your the owner of the dog I shot after it attacked me, twice." I replied

"Well, I guess I had that coming," he said.

"So, what seems to be the malfunction here?"

Turns out the water pump was out. I had my tool box in my truck so I offered to help him pull it off right there and take him back to the auto parts store in town and get another one and come back and install the new one. About an hour and a half later we were done, his truck was up and running, and we had a good time getting to know each other while we worked.

When we finished up he thanked me and stuck out his hand and said, "sorry about the whole dog thing."

I took the offered hand and replied, "Sorry I had to shoot it, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do."

I've seen him a few times since and I think we're all good now.

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I've been a bicyclist for many years and have logged thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, miles over the years and I have to say, I must be living a charmed life or something because I can recall only ONE time I was ever actually attacked by a dog while riding and when it happened, the dog's teeth barely nipped my ankle and didn't even break the skin nor cause me to crash or lose control.

This occurred years ago and I simply out-rode the dog.

Maybe I'm riding faster than most of you; it's pretty easy to out-run a dog, even those that surprise you with a diagonal approach, and most dogs announce their arrival with a snarl or a bark so you have at least a moment to realize what's happening and give your adrenaline a chance to kick in and get you the hell out of there.

Attaining speeds of upwards of 30-mph in the heat of the moment is pretty easy (again, on a road bike; mountain bikes and cruisers are not quite as fast) and most dogs just can't maintain such a speed while in pursuit and will give up.

I know there are exceptions to this, as many of you have obviously outlined here, but I'm just speaking of my own personal experience.

I'm nearly 60 years old and still ride about 4,000 miles a year and have been for decades so my accumulated mileage speaks for itself.

Further, I'm curious how one might carry a loaded weapon while cycling; the added weight would be a huge negative, in my opinion, and it makes me very nervous to think what would happen if I should take a tumble off the bike. Would my impact cause the weapon to discharge? I wear the prototypical "skimpy" lycra shorts and skin-tight cycling jerseys so carrying a 25-ounce S & W 40C would be a definite weight penalty, not to mention an obvious imprint underneath the back jersey pocket. There's just no feasible carrying location wearing this sort of outfit.

Sounds like most of you are not wearing the same sort of clothing I wear while riding, but are probably just out cruising around with jeans or cargo shorts and other kinds of casual clothing on. In that case, yes, I guess one could carry a loaded firearm for protection, but even still, if you crash and fall on the weapon, what's your guarantee that you'll be safe from an unintentional discharge? Can you picture the force of impact that would ensue if you fell at 25+ mph and did it right on top of the gun? Whoa...not good. I'm not even sure if you had it in a holster it would protect you.

Mentioned this in the other thread, a cheap ($10) stun gun. Have yet to find a dog that doesn't stop in its tracks or turn tail and run with tail between its legs. Dogs hate that crackling electric noise. If they should keep coming, well just a touch will send them reeling.

It even works on completely deaf dogs

The latter question causes me to suggest that you study the mechanisms of MODERN handguns.

A fall from a bicycle cause a modern double action revolver or semi-auto to go off? Maybe... if you fell off of the edge of the Grand Canyon. Otherwise, not so much. Any fall from a height sufficient to make your firearm discharge would probably KILL you outright.

As long as you're not carrying a Colt SAA (or straight-up clone) with a loaded round under the hammer, I wouldn't worry about it.

Added weight may be an issue if you are racing but somehow I fail to see how an extra pound or 2 (big gun, lots of reloads) will make one hill of beans difference. As to the second, I've been delivering lambs, fallen and landed on my butt, slithered down a cliff, rolled onto my holstered firearm and more and I've never feared that it would go off no matter what I did so long as it stays safely in the holster I am carrying. Now if I had a holster that didn't keep it contained then I'd be a bit more concerned but now way no how with my current one that keeps the firearm locked in.

This is how I carry mine now.

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My solution for dogs while biking?...a .380 on my hip (owb), under a t-shirt. So far...not need.

I was attacked while walking this guy on a leash.
He weighs 163lbs and is very protective.
It was a bad mistake for the attacking dog, but I can't carry Jack in my pocket, so I'd opt for better protection.

I don't like the idea of shooting dogs unless absolutely necessary, so it gets a spray or two first then I go for the gun.

However when it comes to children, I'm much less forgiving. Way too many cases of kids getting mauled, at least around here.



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How much does it cost to hire a UPS man and truck? Serious business, loose dogs. How about a cattle prod? Could that be something that could be practical to carry? I would hate to shoot a dog, but giving the ability of a dog to do serious damage in a short time, I wouldn't hesitate to keep from being hurt.

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Only one time in my 40+ year law enforcement career did I see an Officer strike a large dog with a collapsible. What it did was make that dog un-holy angry and he proceeded to bite the Officer repeatedly until another Officer finally shot the dog. No batons for dogs for me!

If your area has laws covering dogs and such laws were violated, you were injured, etc - get a lawyer. I have used OC in the past and some dogs don't like it and others like it so much they come back for more... one got a face full and you would have thought he was licking an ice cream cone...

I was going to ask that very same question but you beat me to it. The prods I have seen have about 3 feet of reach. Does anybody know the legality of such things? Guess one might have to talk to the local cops or maybe a lawyer.

Charlie

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I know this is an old thread and all and I understand that the dogs should not have been running around like that and biting people is obviously not good however......You went back home, got a gun and came back for another confrontation. I'd sue you for my dead dog. Had you shot it on site I'd be pissed as ### but I would understand. Kinda like getting into an argument, leaving, coming back with a gun and killing the person

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I'm guessing there's no animal control officer where you live, huh?

/c