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Old 04-02-2012, 10:04 PM
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I have a long standing dislike for semi automatic pistols, even though I own several. After performing autopsies on several thousand gunshot wound victims over a 40+ year career as a forensic pathologist, I am most impressed with the .45 ACP round as a very efficient person stopper, especially considering it's "knock down" power.

After carrying several .38 &.357 magnum caliber concealed weapons, I have come to the conclusion that I should be carrying a .45 ACP weapon.

For those of you that do carry such a revolver, what are your recommendations? It must be a Smith & Wesson.

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I carry a M625 Mountain Gun in .45 ACP, in a pancake style holster. I also carry an extra full moonclip.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:43 PM
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The Night Guard .45 is an option, as it is lightweight and concealable. To find a snubbie no-lock .45, you're going to search a while, and then pay a hefty price upon finding one.
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A heavy bullet at low velocity is what does the job as old Elmer used to say

anyways I'd probably go towards something like one of those brazilian contract guns, the smith 1917 as they seem to be fairly priced:

S&W Model 1917 45acp WWI Revolver - YouTube


not sure if there are any others besides the obivious model 25, although I think they did make a 55' N frame in .45 acp that was refered to as a target gun but I dont think that would be ideal for concealed carry.

also I came across this a little while back with a schofield and towads the end of the video he shows a neat little speedloader for the moonclips that might be of interest to you:

TK Custom Precision-Machined Revolver Moon Clip Conversions - Gunblast.com - YouTube
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David Sinko has it all covered...
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I can not argue the excellent ballistics and stopping power of the .45 ACP. I agree 100% on carrying a revolver as opposed to a semi-auto. I own plenty of Auto's but carry a revolver for SD. The ONLY problem I see with the .45 acp round is that the revolvers that shoot it are rather large, heavy and bulky.

I carry a 19 ounce Chief's Special and load it with Buffalo Bore HEAVY 158 grain +P LSWCHP-GC bullets. They have (I actually verified this with my Chronograph a number of times) a muzzle velocity of 1025 -1040 fps from the 2" barrel and actually have the foot pounds of energy of a 230 grain hardball 45 acp slug.

I am only letting you know this in case you are unaware of the Buffalo Bore ammunition spec's. You should visit their website and look at the 38 Special +P Heavy loads. The .45 acp is an excellent round and the S&W M25 an excellent revolver, but just a bit inconvenient to carry all the time.

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44 special is pretty close to a 45ACP, and there are many more snubby revolvers out there in 44special

the 325 and the 329 look very similar on paper, but I'd have to question either for a CC weapon seeing that they are both large frame, exposed hammer guns.

Revolvers can get big real quick as caliber goes up.

ETA; looks like Chief38 was quicker on the draw.
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I have a Model 625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt. I'm a big guy: 6' 3", 270 lbs, but I'd hate to try to hide that big, fat cylinder. And carrying that huge chunk of stainless steel would pull my britches right down in short order. I almost lost my pants carrying a Colt Series 70 once; most embarassing. When I carry concealed I stick a Model 638 in 38 Special in my pocket, and load it with the Speer +Ps developed for short barreled guns.
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I have the same problem with auto's love & hate I purchase a 445UL
Taurus 2" 22oz and it shoots great I put some small grips on it and that's
what I carry I clocked Buffalo Bore 44 spec. 185gr hp @ 971 fps.
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I just ordered a 325 PD -- have not had a chance to carry it yet but have 4 Kimber .45's and like the knockdown power of a .45 ACP. As you have probably heard, the Army is currently testing 12 different .45 auto pistols as a replacement for the Beretta M-9 (military version of the Beretta 92). I have carried the M-9 in combat zones (with 3 extra 15-rd mags) and while I felt very comfortable shooting it (I carried it in
holster mounted low sternum level (chest carry) on the front of my body armor); I always carried an M-4 carbine in addition (the M-9 was my issued weapon). I have carried a Model 327 PD (.357 mag, 8-shot,
Sc-Ti frame, very similar to the 325 PD) and you simply have to wear the proper clothing -- it can be concealed. Unfortunately, my 327 was stolen (truck was burglarized) and I have not been able to find another
(and I have looked everywhere) -- so I ordered a 325 as an interim carry. I would prefer 8 rounds in the cylinder to 6, but I am going to give the 325 PD a serious try (I usually carried either a Kimber or my 327 PD). I am looking forward to seeing how the 325 PD carries.
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I can not argue the excellent ballistics and stopping power of the .45 ACP. I agree 100% on carrying a revolver as opposed to a semi-auto. I own plenty of Auto's but carry a revolver for SD. The ONLY problem I see with the .45 acp round is that the revolvers that shoot it are rather large, heavy and bulky.

I carry a 19 ounce Chief's Special and load it with Buffalo Bore HEAVY 158 grain +P LSWCHP-GC bullets. They have (I actually verified this with my Chronograph a number of times) a muzzle velocity of 1025 -1040 fps from the 2" barrel and actually have the foot pounds of energy of a 230 grain hardball 45 acp slug.

I am only letting you know this in case you are unaware of the Buffalo Bore ammunition spec's. You should visit their website and look at the 38 Special +P Heavy loads. The .45 acp is an excellent round and the S&W M25 an excellent revolver, but just a bit inconvenient to carry all the time.

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yeah but then your getting close to the speed of sound with it and in an enclosed space if you even need to defend yourself your probably going to suffer much more hearing loss from that rather than the 230 grain slug moving at 850 FPS.

not to mention that would probably hurt like hell to shoot and be a hell of a devil to put all in one spot on the paper with a short barrel like that. where the .45 because of the heavy frame might be more mangabile and all you need to negate that extra weight is a good holster that balances the weight evenly on your body and they do have in the pocket holsters for a lotta guns nowadays.

plus with a .45 you dont have to worry about the ammo type not doing the job, its a .45 after all and thats why it was and still is the go to standard.

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If you deem a 44 Special revolver as a suitable carry gun with ballistics rivaling the 45ACP, there are a few good choices out there. My own is a Rossi 971 in three-inch trim, about the size of a S&W K-frame and not overly heavy. It holds five rounds, as does the S&W 696, but it's not as heavy or as wide. Mine was priced under $250 a few years ago, and I recently had a chance to buy another for about $325...........I wish I had. Just something to consider.

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Wow, Dude's been taking apart bodies for 40 years, knows the damage that a .38 and .357 can do, declares the .45 to be the go-to weapon based on decades of real-world forensic experience and yet...

Unreal.

Sir, a Model 325 Night Guard should suit you nicely. At 28 oz, it's doable.

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A 22-4 is my pick. Nothing wrong with a 4" barrel and fixed sights.
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Hi:
Once upon a time in a far away place I CCW a Model 25-2 that I had the barrel shorten to four inches and added magna grips.
I used a "Pancake" style holster strong side with a large size HKS speedloader pouch on weak side. A "Garrison" 1.75 inch belt completed this CCW rig.
I was young, slim, and "In shape" (YES I WAS!!) and weight was not an issue with a full size weapon.
The large size HKS pouch held four full moon clips. The first full moon clips bullet down with the second bullet up.
A loose fitting shirt with tail outside the pants or a lightweight vest was the cover garment.
Your post makes me consider CCW this rig again.
As a second thought--perhaps .45 Auto Rim ammo and a cartridge slide of six or 12 rounds?
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I have a friend who had a beater 1917 brazillian. He had the barrel shortened to 3", round butted the frame and then put some kind of parkerized finish on it. Except for the wide cylinder it made for a nice carry gun and he could reload very quickly with full moon clips.
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Why cowboys do it all the time....


Built this'n for a close personal friend.

ACP & Long Colt.




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I have two (tho I also have semiautos in this fine caliber):







My wife prefers the S&W 625-3 with its moon clips; I prefer the Ruger.

I also load for the .45 Colt, but I just love the ACP from a revolver. I don't generally shoot the heavy bullets and the ACP is more efficient (I'm cheap and don't want to spend the powder) with the lighter ones, plus the short ejection stroke is terrific.
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Just get a full size 25-2, hacksaw and a couple real good hoe-files. Keep grinding away stuff till your left with this.Some guy from NY used to do it all the time.
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I agree with the sentiment of a cut-down 1917, but I believe I'd go with a Colt where you can get down to an honest 2 incher.

Scroll down to Mickey D's gun for an example of how it's done right:

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The 625 Mountain Gun works well, if you can find one. I can comfortably conceal mine all day with a good belt and holster and appropriate clothing. I prefer IWB, which means I either buy huge pants or use a holster that keeps the cylinder above my belt. I went with the second option. I also have a 325 Night Guard, and I find the shorter barrel draws faster than the 4" tube on the Mountain Gun from my holster. Of course, the longer barrel is easier to shoot well. The NG rubber stocks are comfortable to shoot single action, but don't conceal as well for me as wood. My fingers aren't quite long enough to shoot it well double action with those stocks either.

My advice, buy a quality belt and holser and find stocks that work for you. I like both of my 45 ACP revolvers.
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It works. I have replaced these rubber stocks with wood though.
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THIS needs to go in the Wish List section! I love it! A snubby 45 Colt!
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I carry 45acp a lot.








These 2 are a 625-3 4" and a 625-10 2" SC. I Just got a 325 Thunder ranch but have yet to get photo's of it, can't find a holster yet either.
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I carried a 5 shot Charter Arms .44 Spl 3 inch Bulldog before I got money and taste and moved up to Colt 1911, heavily customized. Then Kimber came out with everything needed in a factory gun. Lots of 45 ACP revolvers, some I traded for my latest semi-auto hunger. None have worked better than a six shot revolver with 4 inch barrel. 38 oz full frame .45 ACP has taken me there and back for nearly 40 years. No carry or concealment issues. My two four inch S&W are 37.4 oz., Model 22-4 and 625-4. Full moon clip eject all six without fail, the single short coming of most revolvers. Full moon clips decrease the manual dexterity issues of the speed loader. This is a critical under stress issue! The .45 ACP revolver allows all flavors of ammo without feeding worries. I do admit to using SWC 255 grain cast bullets for the first six, since reloading isn't an issue. Slightly round nosed or truncated cone reloads are my follow on loads. I would choose a 10mm auto Glock 20 as my city carry gun, but wouldn't feel naked and afraid with any 4 inch N frame S&W. The 45 ACP revolver never stove pipes, never fails to go to the next cartridge in the event of a round failure, ejects all six for sure or requires a complex clearing drill. Two full moon clips in a speed loader pouch on your belt and you're set. The 22-4 does tend to shoot high so some "Kentucky windage" for the fixed sights might be required. The 325PD is lighter, if you simply must have the latest and greatest. Any old S&W 1917 if in good working order will do, the other improvements are just personal taste. A pancake holster allows more position stability and comfort but an IWB allows slightly more concealability. I have both from Kramer Leather in horse hide, close fitted and no safety strap required.
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Have you shot 230 gr in your 625-10? If so how is the recoil to you?
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I really like the .45 ACP round, but I find my 3” 625 just a tad too large to carry in many situations. In those situations when I want a large bore revolver but don’t want the size of the 625, I carry a 696 in .44 special. The ballistics are very similar and the drop in size is noticeable. Of course you drop from 6 rounds to 5 rounds, so there is always that trade off.

If you can handle the size, it is difficult to beat the 3” 625 for a concealed carry revolver in a large caliber.
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Last June my wife and I were coming over the Sierras westward and stopped to hike around. I put my 1917 Colt in my front big pocket of my baggy denim cutoffs and people we talked to for a while didn't notice it. In a good holster I'd pack a .45 sixgun.
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Hi:
1. there an't no other revolver than a Smith and Wesson.
2. I CCW a S&W M25-2 4" in a Lobo Dual Carry Pancake Holster.
3. Full Moon clip in left front pocket, and sometimes a second Full Moon Clip in right front pocket. (never found a full Moon Clip Pouch that concealed good).
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A 5 shot 45 ACP with some alloy would be a sweetheart. I love 45s and moon clips. The clips aree what raises it above the 44 spec. I heard Taurus makes one, but rare. I looked at a S&W 696 in 44 spec with the idea of rechambering and a 45 barrel. The cylinder has enough meat, but the end of the forcing cone would be very thin unless you could bore out the frame hole and go with bigger threads (N frame sized?). Don't think enough meat under the barrel. Couldn't bring myself to spend the money and work it over that much for a maybe. Bummer. It would make such a great gun.
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I would love a five shot 45 ACP L framed Smith. I wish they'd make one.


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Old 01-10-2014, 11:57 AM
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It works. I have replaced these rubber stocks with wood though.
Very nice and nice leather also..Who made the belt snap holster??nice job..O' I said that..getting old!....To bad about the grips, but rubber is great for shooting they tend to hang up on just about every thing you are wearing, including a loose fitting shirt..
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:33 PM
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A 5 shot 45 ACP with some alloy would be a sweetheart. I love 45s and moon clips. The clips aree what raises it above the 44 spec. I heard Taurus makes one, but rare. I looked at a S&W 696 in 44 spec with the idea of rechambering and a 45 barrel. The cylinder has enough meat, but the end of the forcing cone would be very thin unless you could bore out the frame hole and go with bigger threads (N frame sized?). Don't think enough meat under the barrel. Couldn't bring myself to spend the money and work it over that much for a maybe. Bummer. It would make such a great gun.
I have one of the Taurus 5 shot 45acp snubbys, stainless, lightweight. Model # 455, I also have two #445 .44 specials.
Several years ago when Taurus discontinued these models, including their "total titanium" .44 specials they were only $250.00 each, at my LGS.

They don't compare to my 696, but they aren't much bigger than a Detective Special, and they are very lightweight. {20 & 22 oz.} I bought one, went out & shot it, was so impressed that I went back for more. I don't much care for Taurus ribber grip, and the action is different than a Smith, which makes for a more difficult switching around. They are nice enough that I decided not to spend the additional money for a nightguard, in lieu of these.

I believe Taurus has come back out with a 445. I don't know how the new ones compare to the old. These are the only Taurus revolvers that I own, and other than the above comments they are very nice guns.

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I think about carrying my Mountain Gun, but I'm not sure how to carry the moon clipped reloads. I think a 6 round moon clip is an odd shape for my pockets (although admittedly I haven't tried it), and I think they stick out pretty far to be that discreet in regards to concealment. While I think I could manage one cylinder's width, I'm not sure I could have essentially 2x the width of an N frame cylinder inside my waist band. Also I think I'd lose a lot of the advantages of moon clip reloading going to half moons or 2 round clips. Any ideas?
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I have one of the Taurus 5 shot 45acp snubbys, stainless, lightweight. Model # 455, I also have two #445 .44 specials.
Several years ago when Taurus discontinued these models, including their "total titanium" .44 specials they were only $250.00 each, at my LGS.

They don't compare to my 696, but they aren't much bigger than a Detective Special, and they are very lightweight. {20 & 22 oz.} I bought one, went out & shot it, was so impressed that I went back for more. I don't much care for Taurus ribber grip, and the action is different than a Smith, which makes for a more difficult switching around. They are nice enough that I decided not to spend the additional money for a nightguard, in lieu of these.

I believe Taurus has come back out with a 445. I don't know how the new ones compare to the old. These are the only Taurus revolvers that I own, and other than the above comments they are very nice guns.

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Tom ... I've heard good things about the Taurus snub .44s and .45s, but am yet to track either down. Even trading in the mid-$400 range, they make nice nice alternatives to a S&W that goes for twice the price. Granted, I would love to own a 625-10 or 3" 629, but a Taurus could be a very cost effective substitute.
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I think about carrying my Mountain Gun, but I'm not sure how to carry the moon clipped reloads. I think a 6 round moon clip is an odd shape for my pockets (although admittedly I haven't tried it), and I think they stick out pretty far to be that discreet in regards to concealment. While I think I could manage one cylinder's width, I'm not sure I could have essentially 2x the width of an N frame cylinder inside my waist band. Also I think I'd lose a lot of the advantages of moon clip reloading going to half moons or 2 round clips. Any ideas?
Speedloaders and/or full moon clips ride well in the lower cargo pocket of my 5.11 trousers. These secure with Velcro and are fairly easy to access.
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There is a Taurus 455, 5 shot 45ACP at one of the auction sights right now. It is an all steel model. The alloy ones have UL after the model number. From the pictures I can see it has a very thin forging cone. It has a 2" barrel and I am holding out for a 3"
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I just start carrying the governer 45 acp moon clips.
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Just get a full size 25-2, hacksaw and a couple real good hoe-files. Keep grinding away stuff till your left with this.Some guy from NY used to do it all the time.
John Jovino Company, a NY City Police Supply is the company who did it and they did it on a large variety of N frames.
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I wanted a .45acp revolver for ccw, until I tried a sig sauer p250 compact.

I know you don't want an automatic, but this is a different breed than most. It is a true double action only gun, with a hammer and a long true double action trigger pull. No safety button, and no lock.

Honestly it is like shooting a 10 shot .45acp revolver. As much as I don't like automatics, for ccw, this one is awesome. It is really hard to argue with 10 shot capacity, and a super fast reload.

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I think about carrying my Mountain Gun, but I'm not sure how to carry the moon clipped reloads. I think a 6 round moon clip is an odd shape for my pockets (although admittedly I haven't tried it), and I think they stick out pretty far to be that discreet in regards to concealment. While I think I could manage one cylinder's width, I'm not sure I could have essentially 2x the width of an N frame cylinder inside my waist band. Also I think I'd lose a lot of the advantages of moon clip reloading going to half moons or 2 round clips. Any ideas?
North mountain IDPA legal moonclip holder. Works great and the shroud keeps the clips from hanging up on seams and zippers. Right in front of the holster for strong hand reloads or 8:30 for weak hand for least visible profile under a t shirt.
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I have a long standing dislike for semi automatic pistols, even though I own several. After performing autopsies on several thousand gunshot wound victims over a 40+ year career as a forensic pathologist, I am most impressed with the .45 ACP round as a very efficient person stopper, especially considering it's "knock down" power.

After carrying several .38 &.357 magnum caliber concealed weapons, I have come to the conclusion that I should be carrying a .45 ACP weapon.

For those of you that do carry such a revolver, what are your recommendations? It must be a Smith & Wesson.

Many thanks for your advice!

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Personally I think you should look at the M460. It's a ".45", it's a Smith & Wesson, it's a "revolver" and though somewhat heavier, not so very much bulkier than an N frame! It comes in a 5" barrel model and can chamber the .45ACP using Moon clips (aftermarket mod), but can also chamber the .45 Colt, .454 Casull, and of course the .460 S&W Magnum. Due to it's size, weight, and compensator you can EASILY shoot powerful rounds with amazingly low recoil.
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I carry a CA 44 special which is close to a 45. At the same time I would love to have a S&W 696 44 Special if I could find one at a gunshop where I could check it out.

My S&W 625-5 does not have moonclips. I found a good fanny pack to carry it in, as the barrel is 4 or 5 inches long, but every time I carry it in that fanny pack I have the feeling everyone knows why I am carrying the fanny pack, and its heavy and I am always worried about laying the fanny pack down and forgetting it somewhere. So on the rare occasions I do carry it I buckle that fanny pack in thru my belt loops where I cannot forget I have it on. This is my preferred weapon for home defense though. Oh its a six shot revolver, I own no semiautomatics.
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As far as I know there is "only one" S&W that fills the bill. Doesn't sound like you want to be presented with choices, only confirmation.
Personally I think you should look at the M460. It's a ".45", it's a Smith & Wesson, it's a "revolver" and though somewhat heavier, not so very much bulkier than an N frame! It comes in a 5" barrel model and can chamber the .45ACP using Moon clips (aftermarket mod), but can also chamber the .45 Colt, .454 Casull, and of course the .460 S&W Magnum. Due to it's size, weight, and compensator you can EASILY shoot powerful rounds with amazingly low recoil.
For the weight, the 460 is a poor choice. Especially when you could be tasked with firing it inside a building, the ability to chamber anything else is moot save maybe the .45LC which can be done in a 625 or 25. The other cartridges are very good performers, but without the use of hearing protection, would effectively disable the defender. I love to shoot the 460 with .45 LC cowboy loads and it is a non recoiler, but a very bulky and awkward self defense tool.

I second the 325 Night Guard if you can find one. That seems like a great weapon. Should you require a larger gun, the 625 JM would be a great servant and give you slightly more favorable velocity and with radius. I have one and have carried it a lot. No worries about the size and it's very reassuring.
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Very nice and nice leather also..Who made the belt snap holster??nice job..O' I said that..getting old!....To bad about the grips, but rubber is great for shooting they tend to hang up on just about every thing you are wearing, including a loose fitting shirt..
Thank you. The holster is a Lobo (he's a member here), and a darned good one it is. I switched to wood for several reasons: I like wood, the rubber does cling to unintended stuff (like you point out), and I needed to move my hand forward a bit (the rubber ones cover the backstrap, the wood ones don't and they're a bit slimmer) so I could get better trigger finger placement.
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Charter Arms now makes a 5-shot 'Pitbull' in 45 ACP.

Charter Pitbull 45 ACP revolver #74520
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They've been talking about that for some time, but I've yet to see one in the wild. I'll have to go check GB to see if any are out and about. Hey, one is listed! Sweet!
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I carry my N frame snubs in a high ride pancake.....Conceals like nobody's business...




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I'm getting along pretty well with the two on the right. The one on the left is a high ride and works very well.


I call them Dave Keith "Lites"

Dave replaced a bulged barrel on this old warrior and I put it back to work for every day. It will shoot
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