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Old 04-18-2012, 12:05 PM
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So I hear a lot about conceal carry, home defense, self defense etc. I was wondering with all the guns out there you/we/I carry, have any of you actually ever had to pull your gun or god forbid shoot someone?

I know it would be very difficult/stressful after you shot someone or even killed someone.

So let's hear it......what happened?
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:32 PM
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At work. Yes. i've drawn. never pointed but i've unholstered. Off the clock....no and i prey to god i never do. my guns like their holsters. i hope for my sake and sake of any criminal. that they stay in them.
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:36 PM
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But I shot a bath tub that I thought was an intruder one time.

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But I shot a bath tub that I thought was an intruder one time.

haha in my teens i awoke to a loud crash when i was home alone. my rents were in missouri visiting family and i had spoken to them about an hour before. Obviously i had no gun. so i picked up my fathers K-bar and went snooping. Saw a figure in the living room, charged in, put it in a headlock and plunged the knife into its back....except the knife didnt go in, it sheered off to the side with a loud screech, and the figures head fell off!

i had officially attacked one of my seamstress mothers Manitoulin that she had moved a few days earlier and i had failed to notice haha


moral of this story? always know what your attacking/ shooting at. a tactical LED is a great EDC piece and nightstand tool haha
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:33 PM
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I tried to shoot a blackbird that got into the house a few years ago.
Dug out an air rifle. Before I could line up a shot the darn thing flew, or crawled, up the flue pipe for the furnace. It turned into bird jerky and then ashes there.

We had the side door open for most of the time it was flying around
the basement but couldn't herd it back outside.
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I have fired shots in anger at someones general direction a few times.



Does that count?
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Old 04-18-2012, 03:15 PM
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have any of you actually ever had to pull your gun or god forbid shoot someone?
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I know it would be very difficult/stressful after you shot someone or even killed someone.
It is. But it's still better than the alternative, i.e. being the one who gets shot.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:16 PM
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While on outer perimeter guard duty in Korea. The cans on the fence rattled and we opened fire - had no lights so we couldn't see if it was human or animal. No signs the following morning.
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Back in the '80s a guy tried to run a friend and me off of the road in the middle of the night, probably preparatory to a carjacking. I pointed a loaded HK93 at him through the windshield and he got out of dodge in a hurry.

I didn't have to shoot but definitely would have if he had continued the attack.
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Leveled my gun at dogs several times. Each time they knew that my odds of winning just increased greatly and broke off the attack. Thankfully I never had to shoot but it was close.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:45 PM
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Copied from an earlier post of mine concerning my ex-mother-in-law's boyfriend... This happened to me back in the fall of 1991..


Drew it? Yes.

On a human? Yes.

Used it? Almost.



My now ex-wife's family drama showed up on my doorstep one night almost 20 years ago. Her mom and small siblings came over in the middle of the night, on the run from her abusive, drunk step-dad. They hid out in a back bedroom while I sat in my Laz-Boy with my Ruger Blackhawk .357 in my lap, waiting. Sure enough, my door was kicked open about 30 minutes after they arrived, and a 6'6" drunk appeared at the threshold. " Where's my family??!!??" he roared. I said nothing, but raised the revolver, got a good sight picture, and thumbed-back the hammer..... waiting for him to cross into the house. He was sober enough to understand what I was waiting for, so he stood there for a few seconds before jumping in his car and driving away.


Summary: The cops came and took a report, my MIL refused to press charges, my young wife, baby, and I were asked to move by the landlord the next day, I had to pay for repairs to the door-jamb, and we moved a week later. We were divorced within a few years, her crazy-*** family being one of the reasons. As far as I know the ex-MIL and her drunk are still together...


I should have killed him when I had the chance, but didn't for reasons that escape me now. The police officers who arrived...... 30 or 40 minutes after they received the call... told me that they wouldn't have minded if I had, as the guy was a known problem for them for several years.

Who knows now?


I was only 20 when this happened, but that's the closest I ever got to killing another human being on purpose. In my mind, if he got past me, MY family was at risk, so he was going to have to go down.

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I was 15 - my sister was married to a real piece of work who used to slap her around. He came to the house one day to find my sister. As he started up the hall my Dad (who was disabled) confronted him from about 15 feet away. My Mom was standing behind my Dad and told him to get out and not come back. He said something along the lines of I'll break your scrawny neck and started up the hall. Next thing you know my Dad's 38 was out with the tip of my brother-in-law's nose in it. Just so happens he stopped right outside my bedroom door so he also had my 20 Gauge H&R single shot's barrel in his ear. He left real quick like. Never saw him again. Years later I read where he was killed with a bowie knife by the Pagan's motor cycle gang. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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i shot an intruder on my property 10 minutes ago!!!!!



wait.....




wait.....



wait.....




twas a fisher cat screaming like a dying baby keeping my girlfriend awake :-D
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:48 PM
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I shot a squirrel in the attic.

Does that count?

Ended up buying a new roof behind that foolishness.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:07 PM
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Killed about 50 intruders this evening -- can of Yardguard (weapon of mass destruction) against horde of Anopheles mosquitos at the back door as I let the setters in for the night.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:58 AM
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The police can say the shooting would have been justified but the fact the guy didn't cross the threshold into the house makes it difficult to say. The police aren't the ones that prosecute the case. I already have the true story of a Martial Artist who defended against a man with a gun. The police at the scene stated it was self defense and the DA brought charges for 1st degree assault. It cost him $25,000 in attorney fees to fight the case. Consider if the DA has decided to prosecute for Assault with a Deadly Weapon or Manslaughter if the person died the cost of a doorway would have been cheap.

If he had fallen back out outside into the yard it may not be considered self defense. To be able to use a gun you have to prove that there was a lethal threat and I just don't see the lethal threat if after kicking in the door the person stopped. He was a lethal threat at the time he kicked in the doorway but once he stopped at the doorway if you shot it would have been assault or murder if he died. Consider yourself lucky you didn't shoot.

If the DA had decided to prosecute you would have been arrested and charged. If he died you could have been prosecuted for manslaughter. Also you could have been sued by the family or by the shooting victim himself.

I am not an attorney so I can't give legal advice but if you study other cases it is a problem for the shooter if the person falls out of the house and the assailant had stopped at the doorway.
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this is why castle doctrines are amazing

someone boots in my door, they are taking 2 to the chest. hence why i have a sign on my door that says "trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again"
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someone boots in my door, they are taking 2 to the chest. hence why i have a sign on my door that says "trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again"
My case was waaaaaayy before "castle doctrine" laws here in TN...
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I have been in a OIS (off. involved shooting-1993) The perp was high on crank and had a .17 blood alcohol level, and already had stabbed one person prior to us meeting in the parking lot of a McDonalds. The bottom line was "you don't bring a knife to a gun fight".. Dept. weapon: SigP220
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One can say he intruded alright, he intruded into my personal space!!
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The police can say the shooting would have been justified but the fact the guy didn't cross the threshold into the house makes it difficult to say. The police aren't the ones that prosecute the case. I already have the true story of a Martial Artist who defended against a man with a gun. The police at the scene stated it was self defense and the DA brought charges for 1st degree assault. It cost him $25,000 in attorney fees to fight the case. Consider if the DA has decided to prosecute for Assault with a Deadly Weapon or Manslaughter if the person died the cost of a doorway would have been cheap.

If he had fallen back out outside into the yard it may not be considered self defense. To be able to use a gun you have to prove that there was a lethal threat and I just don't see the lethal threat if after kicking in the door the person stopped. He was a lethal threat at the time he kicked in the doorway but once he stopped at the doorway if you shot it would have been assault or murder if he died. Consider yourself lucky you didn't shoot.

If the DA had decided to prosecute you would have been arrested and charged. If he died you could have been prosecuted for manslaughter. Also you could have been sued by the family or by the shooting victim himself.

I am not an attorney so I can't give legal advice but if you study other cases it is a problem for the shooter if the person falls out of the house and the assailant had stopped at the doorway.
One has to assume any shooting is going to cost one attorney fees. In Texas it does not matter which way he falls, if he was attempting force entry or running off with a TV set, deadly force is allowed. But in many states, it does matter which way he falls. Many homeowners in Texas will shoot before the door is kicked in, I would wait to have a visual on the intruder myself.
So if one is inot willing to face the prospect of having to spend money for an attorney, then might as well sell your guns and become a willing crime victim. Just today, I saw in the paper where a young man knocked on a door of an elderly homeowner and his wife, beat them both with a hammer when one of them answered the door. I am determined not to be a willing victim myself, regardless of what an attorney may cost.
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Had to pull my pistol once. I was careful not to branish as I was driving through Texas on vacation and a resident of North Dakota. I made sure the fool knew it would not end well for him and he finally flipped me off and went on down the road.

Had a female co-worker saved by her pistol. The story is quite funny but long so here is the short version. She is home alone waiting for husband to get back from a TDY. From the bathroom she hears a noise and knows it to early for her husband to be back. She looks out the bathroom door into the living room and sees a stranger there. She ran to the bedroom slammed the door, grabbed her pistol and screamed as loud as she could: I'm alone, I'm female, I'm naked and I have a gun. A second or two later she heard glass breaking as the dude dived out of a two story window, landed on the carport rolled off and ran off into the night. I asked her why she yelled she was naked? She said she had no idea but it sounded good at the time.

A couple of other friends had an attempted carjack that they stopped with their handguns. He said it is amazing the change of attitude some people get when looking down the barrel of a .44.
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I haven't needed to use a weapon in self defense and I feel blessed. However, once upon a time many years ago I was at one of my co-workers home standing on the front porch and his girlfriends x shows up. In a flash, he leaves me standing and returns with a 686. Meanwhile the ex jumps from his truck and was about to reach the steps as John returns. The ex was coming hard until he saw the gun and in my eyes he wanted to come on up anyway and acted as if he was as they exchanged some threats. I don't think the ex even saw me until I yelled leave as loud as I possibly could and I told John he was going to jail if he shot this guy. Well, the ex left and I did too shortly after because I feared he would return and I was not armed. John feared the ex had a hidden weapon, I don't think he did.

The take away for me and something I still carry with me is how fast all of this happened. John later said he was indeed going to shoot this guy if he came at him. But, that would have been a huge mistake.
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I had to use my duty weapon a couple of times during my 30 yr. LEO days to protect myself. I'm sorry it happened, sorry it had to be me but NOT sorry I shot the BG. I did not come to work that night (or any other) looking for a fight, and I'm now retired enjoying my grandkids.
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...I was at one of my co-workers home standing on the front porch and his girlfriends x shows up. ...The ex was coming hard until he saw the gun and in my eyes he wanted to come on up anyway and acted as if he was as they exchanged some threats. ....Well, the ex left and I did too shortly after because I feared he would return and I was not armed. John feared the ex had a hidden weapon, I don't think he did.

The take away for me and something I still carry with me is how fast all of this happened. John later said he was indeed going to shoot this guy if he came at him. But, that would have been a huge mistake.
I have to ask why you say your buddy should NOT shoot an attacker? The guy was trespassing, enraged and hell-bent to cause great bodily harm to your buddy and most likely his girl. I believe in telling an attacker to STOP! and even showing I have the means to defend myself, after that the attacker decides whether he is going to be shot or not.

Once the bad guy knows you are willing to defend yourself, HE decides if he is going to be shot, not you.
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I had to use my duty weapon a couple of times during my 30 yr. LEO days to protect myself. I'm sorry it happened, sorry it had to be me but NOT sorry I shot the BG. I did not come to work that night (or any other) looking for a fight, and I'm now retired enjoying my grandkids.
Amen Old Cop!

NH put to rest Greenland, NH Police Chief Michael Maloney today that was to retire tomorrow (Friday). He was your typical well loved small town Chief. Sad. Very Sad.

Kudo's Old Cop. You served and your community thanks you I am sure.
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Lost Lake, the guy was not armed and John was a young man very capable of defending himself without shooting the guy. Yes, it was in his yard but not in his house. I'm not an attorney and I don't know the law that well but I would think there might have been some legal issues. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

I know in my state just because someone hits you doesn't mean you can shoot them unless you might be incapable of defending yourself. A fist fight is one thing, shooting is another.
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Lost Lake, the guy was not armed and John was a young man very capable of defending himself without shooting the guy. Yes, it was in his yard but not in his house. I'm not an attorney and I don't know the law that well but I would think there might have been some legal issues. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

I know in my state just because someone hits you doesn't mean you can shoot them unless you might be incapable of defending yourself. A fist fight is one thing, shooting is another.
I would also think that the fact that there were 2 of you, 3 counting the girfriend, and only "one of him", might have played a factor as well. If you ever found yourself in court over the matter that is.
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Why does everyone assume it would be so troubling and stressful to shoot someone who was trying to kill you? Just because we've been conditioned to believe that? That line of thinking is mostly BS, according to the killers I've spoken with.

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I was a clerk at a gas station back in the 70s. I looked at my co-worker near the tanks and could tell there was an altercation going on. My co-worker (also my best friend) was one tough hombre so even though the "customer" was like 6'6 but skinny he jumped into his car. My friend started trying to punch out the guys window so he pulled the car forward.
I thought the customer was taking off when I noticed his backup lights come on. He sped back and knocked my buddy to the ground. At this time, I start towards them, probably 75 ft.
pulling out my .25 auto as I'm running. By the time I get to my buddy, the driver had pulled forward and was in reverse again.
I took a good stance, leveled the gun at the rear window and was preparing to shoot. The driver must have seen me, because the backup lights went out and he tore out of the lot post haste.
About a minute later, that same car came flying through the lot and took out a pump with a brick while I was on the phone with the police.
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Lost Lake, the guy was not armed and John was a young man very capable of defending himself without shooting the guy. Yes, it was in his yard but not in his house. I'm not an attorney and I don't know the law that well but I would think there might have been some legal issues. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

I know in my state just because someone hits you doesn't mean you can shoot them unless you might be incapable of defending yourself. A fist fight is one thing, shooting is another.
Again I say you can defend yourself if necessary.

If you know the guy is unarmed and are willing to bet your life that he doesn't have a pocket knife that will end up in your heart maybe it's not necessary to use your gun.

If you are sure he is not half wild on drugs or booze and will not strangle you to death before he realizes you quit moving 2 minutes ago, then maybe it's not necessary to use your gun.

If you are positive that he won't knock you out and you won't fall and hit the edge of a table, step, or sharp object and die or become paralyzed then fine, don't use your gun.

Here's my point, and all situations are different so you need to evaluate each one on its merits:
The guy was upset, trespassing and threatening bodily harm. Your friend showed a weapon and indicated he would use it to defend himself. At that point, if the aggressor attacks, it is obvious to me that he is intent on causing great bodily harm irregardless of the outcome, and now there is a gun involved which if taken away can be used against you.

Saying it is only a fist fight is not the way to look at it. I have seen many fistfights where a chair is picked up and used, a big stick, a pool cue, a knife, just about anything can become an instant weapon. Even a head lock can turn a guy blue and if someone doesn't get the attacker off death is close behind.

I had a friend that died when he slipped and hit his head on a porch step. The same can happen getting hit and falling on anything.

If a gun is necessary, use it. If not, then don't. But only you can decide how you feel at the time the stuff hits the fan.
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Was sleeping at about 0315hrs i could hear the front door being messed with. Heart beat shot up and was thinking " Cant believe this is really happening!" Grabbed my SW9VE racked the slide and slowly made my way downstairs. The door stopped making the noise and i stood by..... then i heard the window slide up. i looked at the kitchen window and the dark shawdow of a medium sized man crawling through my window!! heart rate at 1000 beats per second as i have my gun aimed at his chest. The BG starts to walk to my female roommate room.(i was at the corner of the living room on one knee. never did notice me as i was honkerd down next to sofa and it was super dark) The bad guy turns the lights on and i yell as im coming up of th e floor LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS!!!!! hands go up and starts to cry.......BG had long sexy hair and dress....BG turned out to be drunk roommate that losther keys and cell phone. i cried as i knew what i was about to do if BG made any threatening movement. every time i think about it feel sick to my stomach .
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My dad has ran into a few cases. One he was sitting in his truck while talking on the phone. Up ahead he notices a guy walking down the street trying door handles on cars. The guy actually climbed halfway into his lap before he noticed there was someone sitting in the drivers seat...... and that there was a 9mm in his face. The guy made a land speed record hauling *** down the street.

My dad, brother, and sister when they both were very young were at a gun range down town. It was dark out when they walked out and 2 men walked up and asked my dad if there was a gun in the gun case he was holding. He said yes. They told him to hand it over and he drew his 9mm from under his arm and asked if they wanted that one to. They made them selves scarce in a hurry.

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Was sleeping at about 0315hrs i could hear the front door being messed with. Heart beat shot up and was thinking " Cant believe this is really happening!" Grabbed my SW9VE racked the slide and slowly made my way downstairs. The door stopped making the noise and i stood by..... then i heard the window slide up. i looked at the kitchen window and the dark shawdow of a medium sized man crawling through my window!! heart rate at 1000 beats per second as i have my gun aimed at his chest. The BG starts to walk to my female roommate room.(i was at the corner of the living room on one knee. never did notice me as i was honkerd down next to sofa and it was super dark) The bad guy turns the lights on and i yell as im coming up of th e floor LET ME SEE YOUR ****ING HANDS LET ME SEE YOUR ****ING HANDS!!!!! hands go up and starts to cry.......BG had long sexy hair and dress....BG turned out to be drunk roommate that losther keys and cell phone. i cried as i knew what i was about to do if BG made any threatening movement. every time i think about it feel sick to my stomach .
My dad had a similar circumstance. He has 3 kids who have access to his house, and not one of them would ever have a reason for going up stairs with out first calling out. He hears the door open and then someone trying sneak up the stairs. The person stops right before the hammer is about to fall and calls out my dads name. Turned out his girl friend needed a place to stay, and realized half way up the stairs what was pointing at her back as soon as she started up with out announcing her self.


I hope I never even have to draw my gun, and if I do I hope Im ready and able.
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Several years back while driving on the highway in NH minding my own business I somehow pissed off a couple of redneck boys who began to harass me and taunt me while we both were doing 60 or so on the interstate. They got in front of me with the intent to slow me down. When they did I quickly made for the off ramp and left the highway in order to avoid a confrontation. Well these guys saw this and jumped the curb driving over the grass until they go off the same ramp.

I did not know the roads and made a turn into an upcoming street.... damn, a cul-de-sac, one way in one way out. Well the good ole boys blocked the way out and I could not get by. I stopped and started to get into the mindset I would need as they both walked up to my Bronco banging baseball bats in their hands. I unlocked my console and took out my stainless S/W 357 and simply held it up pointed at the ceiling, not at anyone. I rolled down the window and when BG #1 came up, he spotted the big shiny handgun.... his eyes widened ... I asked if the there was a problem here? and he stuttered as he stepped back saying nnoooo pprrrroblem. They both got their asses back in the truck as fast as they could and pulled up allowing me to leave.

I drove from there to the local PD and reported what had occurred in case THEY decided to go to the cops... interviewing Sgt said I did exactly what I should have done.
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No, but I had a few close incidents. One was a neighborhood half baked teenager I knew. I did know his older sister a little better. I had a lady house guest over and I kinda suspect his sister might have encoraged him to sneak in to get info. Anyway this lady woke me up and said someone was in the house. I thought she probley was imagining things but grabbed a s&w 1917 from under the mattress more to appease her and walked out in the front room. There I could see "carl" about 15 years old, overgrown, 6ft 1" about 250 lbs toying with my s&w model 60 I had left out on the bar! He seen me, let out kind of a scream and headed for the front door. I was po,ed, and gave him a glancing barrel along side his noggin and made the mistake of kicking him in the butt with my barefoot. It was a mistake as I could hardly step on it for a week. He got outside and I got far as the open door. I couldnt resist. It was gloomy pre dawn. I yelled out I am gonna shoot ya after all ya ***! With that I lit one off down the street in the desert as I was on the very edge of town. It was like watching a road runner cartoon. Carl jumped a good 5 feet in the air with his feet and legs windmilling above the ground. He came down with his legs still running and scratched out almost falling backwards! I never did report it. He sweated it for about a week and finaly sent a friend of his that I knew to open up a peace talk.
Had another event with him. I cant remember if it was before or after that incident. Anyway I was single. I thought I might be going somewhere that weekend but wasnt sure. I told him were I going would he feed rusty, my dawg. If I was going I would leave a can of food and opener in front of rustys pen. I didnt go out of town, but did go out for dinner or whatever. I came home and saw a light on in the house that I didnt remember leaveing on. I drove on down the street, walked back with my model 60 in my hand. I got to the door and hear my record player going! I went in fast with my gun up and ready. There is carl! He has a beer in one hand and a record in the other. I was relieved. Carl puked! Hire the handicapped. They are funny to watch! Some more later.
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You have to be extra careful when there are other people living in your house!

I wake to hear noises quite often now that my girls are teenagers. They go downstairs for a drink or because they forgot to charge their cell phone or maybe they come in late from a school event. My first reaction has changed from 'INTRUDER' to 'Probably just the kids'.

My bedside gun has a bright light on it, and I plan on verifying before shooting, even if it means I may not get the first shot off.
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Hello out there,

perhaps you know that in Germany the "hunting system" is quite different to the one in the U.S.
In 1982 I was a part time official ranger for two hunting grounds. There were shots to be heared when none of the hunters were out and so I warned them and the police that a gang of poachers might be at work....
And so it was; one evening I went out for a short walk with my dog, a German short haired pointer. Though the dog did snarl I walked around the next corner of the forest road and saw myself right in front of four men, two of them armed with rifles, the others carried powerful flashlights (which is a proven - but in Germany forbidden -method to dazzle game like roes and red deers to shoot at easier ).
As soon as they recognized my badge (rangers are obliged to carry it at the side of the hat) they started shooting with their - as it turned out - .22 l.r. guns, one even toting a pistol.
No, I did not carry a gun or any weapon - not even a knife - and had just one opportunity: I jumped in a drainage ditch, grabbing my dog and held it as close as I could.
Thankfully they ran away after having shot 6 to 8 rounds in my direction and I managed to get out of the ditch - unwounded - and so was my dog.
In 1982 there was nothing like mobile phone or the like - one perfect hit and I would not write these words....
Two salutary lessons I took from this:
1. When your dog snarls, there i s a reason for red alert! -
2. I am allowed to carry when out in the woods for hunting - and that is exactly what I did after this occurrence.

Oh yes, I admit - my pants had become wet - but not only because of the water from the ditch.


I truly hope I'll never experience again what the police later called my "second birthday".....

Have a nice day, farewell and always good shooting

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The police can say the shooting would have been justified but the fact the guy didn't cross the threshold into the house makes it difficult to say. The police aren't the ones that prosecute the case. I already have the true story of a Martial Artist who defended against a man with a gun. The police at the scene stated it was self defense and the DA brought charges for 1st degree assault. It cost him $25,000 in attorney fees to fight the case. Consider if the DA has decided to prosecute for Assault with a Deadly Weapon or Manslaughter if the person died the cost of a doorway would have been cheap.

If he had fallen back out outside into the yard it may not be considered self defense. To be able to use a gun you have to prove that there was a lethal threat and I just don't see the lethal threat if after kicking in the door the person stopped. He was a lethal threat at the time he kicked in the doorway but once he stopped at the doorway if you shot it would have been assault or murder if he died. Consider yourself lucky you didn't shoot.

If the DA had decided to prosecute you would have been arrested and charged. If he died you could have been prosecuted for manslaughter. Also you could have been sued by the family or by the shooting victim himself.

I am not an attorney so I can't give legal advice but if you study other cases it is a problem for the shooter if the person falls out of the house and the assailant had stopped at the doorway.
I hope this facilitates keeping your opinion in a proper perspective.
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The police can say the shooting would have been justified but the fact the guy didn't cross the threshold into the house makes it difficult to say. The police aren't the ones that prosecute the case. I already have the true story of a Martial Artist who defended against a man with a gun. The police at the scene stated it was self defense and the DA brought charges for 1st degree assault. It cost him $25,000 in attorney fees to fight the case. Consider if the DA has decided to prosecute for Assault with a Deadly Weapon or Manslaughter if the person died the cost of a doorway would have been cheap.

If he had fallen back out outside into the yard it may not be considered self defense. To be able to use a gun you have to prove that there was a lethal threat and I just don't see the lethal threat if after kicking in the door the person stopped. He was a lethal threat at the time he kicked in the doorway but once he stopped at the doorway if you shot it would have been assault or murder if he died. Consider yourself lucky you didn't shoot.

If the DA had decided to prosecute you would have been arrested and charged. If he died you could have been prosecuted for manslaughter. Also you could have been sued by the family or by the shooting victim himself.

I am not an attorney so I can't give legal advice but if you study other cases it is a problem for the shooter if the person falls out of the house and the assailant had stopped at the doorway.


I don't see a clue as to what state you live in, but in general it is fair to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

For instance, in North Carolina, you are specifically allowed to shoot a person who is attempting to break into your house while you are occupying the house.

It is probably accurate to say that you are even expected to shoot a person attempting to break into your home while you are in it.

Whether he falls inside or outside has no bearing on the legality.

If he is trying to break in, you don't even have to make certain that he is armed. It is assumed that a person breaking into your home while you are there means bodily harm to you.

On the other hand, if the BG makes entrance, once he is inside the rules change. You must first ascertain that he is a danger to your life and that he is capable of killing you.

And all of this was in effect long before the castle law.

Most states have laws that are very close to NC law, with many of them giving the home owner much more leeway.


But then you could reside in one of the stupid states; IL, NJ, MD, MA or New York City. That would explain your stupid post.
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I don't see a clue as to what state you live in, but in general it is fair to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

For instance, in North Carolina, you are specifically allowed to shoot a person who is attempting to break into your house while you are occupying the house.

It is probably accurate to say that you are even expected to shoot a person attempting to break into your home while you are in it.

Whether he falls inside or outside has no bearing on the legality.

If he is trying to break in, you don't even have to make certain that he is armed. It is assumed that a person breaking into your home while you are there means bodily harm to you.

On the other hand, if the BG makes entrance, once he is inside the rules change. You must first ascertain that he is a danger to your life and that he is capable of killing you.



But then you could reside in one of the stupid states; IL, NJ, MD, MA or New York City. That would explain your stupid post.
Your laws in North Carolina are very close to what we have in Texas. Does not matter whether he is armed, or unarmed if he is trying to break in. Texas is one of the only states of which I am aware that the use of deadly force is permitted to stop a robber or thief during the nighttime from leaving with his loot.
I have heard that in some states that one has to warn the intruder that you are armed. Not so in Texas. If someone is breaking in on me, I won't make a sound because he could have a gun and might know where to shoot at me. OTOH I want to
see what I am shooting at, not just shoot through a heaving door. I know that in some cases people are concerned that they might shoot a drunk who came back to the wrong house.
My doors have deadbolt locks, and require a lot of force to break in. For one thing, the intruder might even have an AK47 and have me outgunned. I don't want to give him the edge of knowing my location. And of course you are absolutely right
regarding some of the states, outlawing homeowners from
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Was sleeping at about 0315hrs i could hear the front door being messed with. Heart beat shot up and was thinking " Cant believe this is really happening!" Grabbed my SW9VE racked the slide and slowly made my way downstairs. The door stopped making the noise and i stood by..... then i heard the window slide up. i looked at the kitchen window and the dark shawdow of a medium sized man crawling through my window!! heart rate at 1000 beats per second as i have my gun aimed at his chest. The BG starts to walk to my female roommate room.(i was at the corner of the living room on one knee. never did notice me as i was honkerd down next to sofa and it was super dark) The bad guy turns the lights on and i yell as im coming up of th e floor LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS!!!!! hands go up and starts to cry.......BG had long sexy hair and dress....BG turned out to be drunk roommate that losther keys and cell phone. i cried as i knew what i was about to do if BG made any threatening movement. every time i think about it feel sick to my stomach .
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In my younger days I delivered papers on a bike....kept a pistol in my pocket, just in case....one day, last block...dog came at me...Pro-Keds on its mind...well, no choice, couldn't out run him...out came the pistol and the dog got a snout full of straight ammonia....that water pistol worked so well that all I had to do in future encounters with that same dog was point my finger and that pooch just yelped and ran away....no need to fire ever again.
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Never have. Hope never to have to pull my gun.

I like Ayoob's line of thinking on this. He keeps a $10 bill wrapped around a matchbook which I read he'll try to throw at people looking for trouble, telling them, "Here, go buy yourself a drink on me." If they take the money and walk away, then he's out $10 -- but he's avoided a situation that would involve the possibility of him having to spend a lot of time and money defending himself in court for an action that may be perfectly justified. If they keep coming at him, and he has to use his gun, the court will have a very difficult time seeing him as anything but on the defense. Of course, there may not be time to throw the money or react on anything but instinct, but he his logic makes sense.

Personally, I'd rather buy a drink for a man than have to shoot him, if for nothing else but to keep from having to spend hours/days in fear of what might happen at a trial. I can understand why others wouldn't, but that's just me. If I had to use it I certainly would, but if I have enough time, I'm going to exhaust every means necessary NOT to draw and/or shoot.

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I have never shot an intruder but my daughter did. And I taught her how to shoot. After the " incident" she put her arms around me , hugged me and thanked me for teaching her , she said " there is no doubt in my mind it saved my life" . So if you got kids teach them, and not just the boy's . It could save a life someday.

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About 15 years ago I was woken from my sleep (2.30AM) by the doorbell being rung and the downstairs door being pounded on. I grabbed my 60 and headed to the window that was over the door being pounded.

There were 6 youths (18-21) making quite a fuss and it appeared they were drunk or Hi. I told my wife to call the cops and tell them what was going on They yelled that their car had broken down and as I had a 4x4 pick up would I tow them out. I said no and the pounding on the door got worse.

Being younger and foolish and knowing that where I lived our small police force would take at least 5 minutes to get there.
I went down and open the door with the little Smith by my side and told them I would allow 1 and only 1 to come in and use phone which was on wall inches from the door.

They all decided to walk in and I brought the Smith up to shoulder high barrel pointed up and said in a calm clear voice ONE ONLY comes in! They saw the gun and started screaming and ran away. I saw them go behind the school which was right next door.

I then called the police again (pre 911 time in my area) and told them my description I had a gun and did not point it at them but held it out in plain sight.
A couple minutes later the cops arrived I told them the whole story and told them where the youths went.

Long story short the cops went behind the school and found the car and kids and a very large quantity or weed and a bunch of pills+ a bunch of things that were stolen from the school they had broken in to. Naturally all went to jail and 2 of the boys had knives on them.

Cops came back to interview me and the older sergeant just let the young kid do the report. He then asked me If I always answered my door with a pistol in my hand and I replied no but at 2.30 in the morning I sure do and that I had more time I would have had a much bigger higher capacity weapon than that 5 shot .38. Kid looked embarrassed and I got a wink from the older Sergeant. Funny thing was that this is the people’s republic of NY where pistols and permits are hard to get and they never asked me about my license. The kid did look at the now unloaded .38 and say gee that’s a nice gun.

Possibly when I called the cops they ran my permit and told the responding cops I had one. That is only a guess. Never heard another thing about the incident, but did read in the paper that 4 of door knockers went to jail for a year or so.

I did learn a lesson that night and retired the 5 shot 60 and made my 1911 .45 my night side gun!
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I have been a Leo since 1974. Back in the 70s and 80s I was in several shootings. An investigator would ask you what happened. You told him and then you finished your shift. They did not ask for your weapon and you were not placed on "administrative duty". Last year I was in a shooting and my association supplied attorney made the scene. Your are supposed to consult with your attorney before you speak to the investigator. The weapon I used was taken as evidence and I was issued a replacement weapon. The next day, I was placed on "administrative duty" which means I stay in the office and shuffle papers. I do not go out on the street and my issued unit is parked. Then I was sent to visit the shrink (which I think is a good idea). You are not supposed to talk to anyone about the incident other than the assigned investigators. The shrink is an exception. You can talk to him all you want and to me, that was beneficial. I appeared before the Grand Jury and as soon as they cleared me, I went back to regular duty. In the old days, it was suck it up and go back to work. Now a days where I work, there is much more support available. Some other local agencies do not appear to get as much support from the public or the administration. All agencies today are much more concerned with liability. Being in the office wasn't so bad for a couple of weeks although I was really happy about being back on the street. If you are not a Leo and CCW or keep a gun or guns at home for protection, lining up your legal support before hand would be prudent. Hopefully you will never need it but when you do need it, you need it immediately. In our area, we have had good shoots and bad shoots by citizens. Most of the time, we are glad the guy protected himself and his family. Lately there was a case where the guy appeared to be just itching to shoot someone. A guy came onto his property looking for help after an accident. When the homeowner came out with a gun, the guy tried to run away and the homeowner shot him in the back. He was arrested and charged with murder.
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