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OK...Let's be real.....Carry Nice or Carry Disposable?
There was a time in my life when I had a lot of guns. Now I have very few guns. I've wanted to carry for nearly 25 years and was forbidden by law to do so. Now I can.
All those years, and actually now, I want to carry my coolest guns, but God forbid, if I ever have to pull it, I'll probably lose it to a Police evidence locker until I'm dead, if the shooting is justified. That's just reality.
The problem is this...do I want to carry something I love, or a piece of dependable kit that I can afford to write off? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Zebulon
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I understand. Been carrying for 27 years, and every time I carry one of my really nice revolvers, or one with a family history, it makes me nervous. I still do it, but not that often.
I carry Glocks a lot. Mostly because you can sweat on 'em all day and they don't rust. Plus, if they get dinged up I don't care. They are merely tools. Very GOOD tools, I must say.
My every-day-carry, mostly as a backup, is my S&W M340PD. It is already looking scarred up after only two years. Again, I don't care. I can always buy another one.
The nice guns get taken care of. The working guns get dinged around, and if I ever need to use them for real, I'm confidant in my ability to do so. If the cops take these guns for a year, I've got plenty to back them up.
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For me it's a secondary concern. If the gun saved my life, I'd gladly do without it and carry another.
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Do you have something in between? Are you carried concealed or iwb? If so does it matter how pretty the gun is?
I dont know which guns you have but i think the first question should be "what is reliable and practical " not pretty. A polished 6in m29 is very pretty but try to draw that fast.
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Carry what you fight with best. The cost of even a $4,000 gun will be nothing compared to your legal bills if you are charged with a crime. Even if the shoot is justified, they will confiscate the gun and you may not get it back. However, if it's your favorite weapon, then use it. It's better to shoot straight than to miss because you're not as confident with the gun you have.
I do not carry heirlooms, but I do carry nice guns when I'm not carrying a Glock. Keep at least two such guns with identical setups (and spare gear--don't wait 9 months for another Sparks holster). I know it's twice the price, but you'll have a gun to carry when you get home. The side effect is that if the primary gun breaks or goes in for modification, you have a spare available. I once went without a gun for three months while waiting for my only pistol to come back from the gunsmith.
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I have a shooter grade S&W #58 that is capable of stopping most anything that could bother me here in Georgia. But it would be difficult to replace, so I carry a Glock. Glocks are accurate, reliable, dependable, affordable, and easily replaceable. I have bought or traded for ten Glocks in three years. My first, a Glock 31, was stolen & recovered and now sits in a LE evidence room one county over. It has been there since Thanksgiving 2011. One of my Glock 26's is a former evidence gun from a sheriff office in Florida.
My beloved #58. My son has no use for this gun, thinks it looks too much like a #10.
My Glock 26, formerly a LE captive. You can see where the serial number was scratched through on the slide, and the case number is visible on the frame.
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I always carry my favorite gun.....hope I never have to pull it. Never think about loosing it if I did have to pull it....that would be the last thing on my mind actually.
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For me it's a secondary concern. If the gun saved my life, I'd gladly do without it and carry another.
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yup it served its purpose at that point.
I wouldn't carry something like a P08 Lugar, thats for sure.
it comes down to that balance of effectiveness and expendability in the sense that you can replace it later.
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I'm not concerned about cost, but I wouldn't carry a collectible. I'm concerned with dependability, ease of carry, effectiveness,accuracy and simplicity. In the summer it's usually a bodyguard in a pocket holster. In cooler weather it might be a 469, 457 or 4566.
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The first and primary consideration for choosing a defensive firearm should be functional reliability. Everything else is of secondary importance to that primary consideration, including how "pretty" the gun is or whether or not it may be held as evidence for a length of time in the case that you would ever have to use it to defend yourself with.
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I carry what I'm most comfortable with AND most proficient with. If I do my job with training and practice, the revolver will do its job if/when called upon, irrespective of the value I place on it. If I had a pistol so valuable that I was reluctant to carry it (or even shoot it) then it would not be not suitable for my self defense needs.
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I only carry something that can easily be replaced. My carry guns are not cheap as I don't want to stake my life on an inferior product, but if they are taken as evidence I can replace them at any local gun shop.
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I don't have any engraved pistols with real Ivory or Pearl grips but all my guns are S&W or Colt. To put it in perspective I think of the price of a car that cost many times more than a pistol and we drive them everyday and take a chance of wrecking. Pay thousands for them and drive them a few years and they are worth nothing. Why worry about the cost of a pistol. When I am found dead I don't want to be found carrying a piece of junk. I may be poor but I am proud. Larry
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Cool Larry.... Great answer..........Zeb
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Zeb,
That's my 5-year-old's name (Zebadiah). I don't worry about the cost of the weapon. Any and all can be replaced if confiscated by the boys in blue. I can't replace my beautiful wife or precious kids.
$700 1911? Take it. $400 J-frame? Take it. $500 Glock? Take it. $900 Sig? Take it. Wife and kids? Don't even think about it.
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Only 2 considerations are taken by myself when
choosing my primary carry weapon.
1. Will it do what it is supposed to do if i do my part?
2. Is it reliable?
Like others have stated, i'm not gonna carry a family
heirloom for SD purposes so i don't care if it sits in a
police vault for a year.
Everything else can be replaced in time.
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There was a time in my life when I had a lot of guns. Now I have very few guns. I've wanted to carry for nearly 25 years and was forbidden by law to do so. Now I can.
All those years, and actually now, I want to carry my coolest guns, but God forbid, if I ever have to pull it, I'll probably lose it to a Police evidence locker until I'm dead, if the shooting is justified. That's just reality.
The problem is this...do I want to carry something I love, or a piece of dependable kit that I can afford to write off? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Zebulon
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Sir,
This is why for over 40 years I have had working/carry handguns....
And keep the fancy engraved favorites for carry on the ranch for social events and BBQs.
Oh, I might wear sumthing nice to Court now and again.
In most jurisdictions, if involved in a use of deadly force, one's firearm will be logged into evidence till a
hearing on the matter or grand jury no true bills the matter.
It's sad to say, nice guns get 'lost' while held as evidence sumtimes.
I carry something that works all the time, every time and one that I won't grieve over if lost.
Su Amigo,
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To me, this is a rather simple solution.
Whatever is most comfortable and affords accuracy and reliability to some day (hope it never comes) save my life and/or that of others.
What that costs, don't care as no price can be put on it.
Should it be taken for evidence, damaged or lost, will just have to treat myself to another.
I presently use a 9mm Shield for this purpose.
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I'm not going to carry a piece of junk because I'm afraid of being robbed by the state after successfully defending myself from a private sector robbery.
If the government tries to steal from me, I'll deal with them appropriately.
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It's sad to say, nice guns get 'lost' stolen while held as evidence sumtimes.
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There, fixed that for you.
Theft by public employees can NEVER be tolerated.
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You love PEOPLE, not things.
Guns like knives and other tools are consumables. Doesn't mean use to abuse but we're talking a tool here.
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I have had this python rig for 40 years and NEVER carried it! Now that I am near the end of my days I am beginning to wonder why I didnt!
Why did I buy it? Yes, I reasoned the same, lose a cheaper beater. Yet if it saves my life I probley would feel as bad if my beater were consficated as now that would be my very favorite gun!
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combo of considerations
reliable
shootable (am I confident and accurate with it?)
adequate caliber
concealable
round capacity
price, value, looks are far down my list
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I think a carry gun (CCW or open) should be considered a "kit gun". If it's not in your pocket or holster, it's probably under the seat, or in the glove box. It can be expected to be skidded, scraped, dropped, kicked, rain upon, have food smeared on it, etc. But, most importantly, if you ever have to pull the trigger, something, besides dust, has to come out of the barrell.
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I have quite a few Carry guns to choose from but I do hesitate to carry a few of the more collectible ones, Most often carried is a Talo edition Ruger LCP, Followed by a S&W Model 60-7, 3rd in line is a HK Usp 9 Dao
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If a shooting is justifiable why will the gun be taken away and never given back? I understand taking it till it is determined to be a good shooting or not, but to keep and not return ever? Isn't that just an urban myth?
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It's sad to say, nice guns get 'lost' stolen while held as evidence sumtimes.
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There, fixed that for you.
Theft by public employees can NEVER be tolerated.
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Sorry to say, but I believe the employees learn it from their bosses, the elected officials.
Su Amigo,
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I tend to look at this question from a slightly different perspective. If I carry a good quality and reliable weapon, and have to use it in the defense of my life, there is a pretty good chance that it will function properly and help me to survive the conflict. While I may lose the weapon to the "police locker", I get to keep on living...
On the other hand, if I carry a cheap "disposable" weapon, and it fails, there's a good chance that I won't survive the encounter and I still lose the weapon.
Personally I'd rather be alive and without the weapon than dead!
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I have had this python rig for 40 years and NEVER carried it! Now that I am near the end of my days I am beginning to wonder why I didnt!
Why did I buy it? Yes, I reasoned the same, lose a cheaper beater. Yet if it saves my life I probley would feel as bad if my beater were consficated as now that would be my very favorite gun!
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I bought a 6 in. Python in 1965 and always kept it in a holster, shot it a bunch and carried it no telling how many miles. It went out of the house every morning with me until 3 years ago when I gave it to my son. I figured my son would end up with it but if I went ahead gave it to him I would get to see him enjoy it. Plus it would mean more to him if I gave it to him instead of him just inheriting it. Larry PS I didn't have a belt and holster as nice as yours.
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Seems like using and losing a weapon and needing another would be the ultimate validation that you chose wisely in the first place. Definitely need another one of those. When you get the first one back you can have it gold plated.
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Yet if it saves my life I probley would feel as bad if my beater were consficated as now that would be my very favorite gun!
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This is the best answer yet.
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My preference is to carry a piece that is reliable, if it happens to be low cost so much the better, if it's lost to an evidence locker you know damn well you'll never get it back in the condition you surrendered it in.
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I can always replace my carry gun. But I sorta feel like I'm irreplaceable. Not too sure if the wife agrees.
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If Dirty Harry was concerened about losing his beloved 29 and carried a 4 inch 38 Taurus, I doubt the movie would have been as popular. And just think how his bank robber speech would have sounded..."this is the 6th most powerful handgun in the world and although it won't blow your head clean off, it's gonna hurt alot."
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I retired the 2" Colt Lawman my wife gave me as an engagement present 33 years ago, although the statement she made at the time was that the gun was meant to bring me back to her at the end of shift. It served its purpose, but the thought of it being thrown in a drawer with somebody's initials scratched in the sideplate got to be too much for me a couple of years ago and I replaced it with a no-lock 642. That I can replace in 3 days, although I wouldn't call it disposable, and yes, I have considered buying a second one in advance.
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People are not looking at the big picture. Yes your gun is going to get taken away from you. But at least you will be alive to see it again. I don't care how much the gun cost. I"m going to carry what I feel I can shoot the best.
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08-28-2012, 08:25 PM
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Also, if you carry your favorite gun, you will be more careful with shot placement since hitting an innocent bystander might mean you would lose it for good.
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I don't worry about any gun getting taken, it's only a THING, and I have more THINGS.
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Questions like this always perplex me. It's like those who won't drive their nice car b/c it might get dinged.
C'mon, folks; there is not a gun out there (nor a car) that belongs in a museum that is not already in a museum.
ENJOY your nice possessions; you worked for them; you earned them!
Be safe.
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Don't be pessimists.
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08-28-2012, 11:34 PM
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If it is a "Good Shooting" that is the least of your worries.
If it is a "Bad Shooting" that is the least of your worries.
Just a thought?
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If Dirty Harry was concerened about losing his beloved 29 and carried a 4 inch 38 Taurus, I doubt the movie would have been as popular. And just think how his bank robber speech would have sounded..."this is the 6th most powerful handgun in the world and although it won't blow your head clean off, it's gonna hurt alot."
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To those who think you cannot lose your guns just because its justified, Think Again. Here in the very gun friendly state of Kentucky, A close friend of mine was involved in a justified self defense shooting. Bad guy had forced his way in back door, short physical struggle ensued before my friend drew his Springfield 1911 .45 Auto and discharged one rd. into bad guys stomach. He was questioned on scene and the Springfield was taken on the spot. The officers inquired about other guns in the home, he said he had a Kimber 1911 .45 Auto in bedroom dresser that was not involved in any way shape or form, the officers took it as evidence as well. He was not arrested, the case went before grand jury and they ruled it was self defense so no indictment. Apparrently here in KY the judge has to sign release for return of the guns and this judge gave him the runaround for months on end. It took 2 years for him to get his guns back and he had a good atty that he was paying for out of his pocket. Just wanted to share this to show if you are involved in an incident that seems clearly justified it can take a lot of time and thousands of your dollars to exonerate yourself.
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He was questioned on scene and the Springfield was taken on the spot.
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"That person forced his way into my home and attacked me. I defended myself. I have nothing further to say without benefit of counsel. I want to go to the emergency room for an exam."
You just proved yet again why you say VERY little to the police without benefit of counsel and why you NEVER consent to a search.
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People are not looking at the big picture. Yes your gun is going to get taken away from you. But at least you will be alive to see it again. I don't care how much the gun cost. I"m going to carry what I feel I can shoot the best.
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I carry two revolvers, one is a relatively inexpensive Charter Arms 44 Spl 2 and 1/2 inch barrel, the other a S&W 38 Spl Stainless Steel Revolver. I shoot best with the 38 Spl, but consider the CA 44 Spl to be primary because it packs a larger caliber round. In either case, it won't cost all that much to find replacement revolvers. Looked at a S&W 686-6 I think it was today, but the gunshop wanted too much for it, arou[nd $950 dollars.
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"That person forced his way into my home and attacked me. I defended myself. I have nothing further to say without benefit of counsel. I want to go to the emergency room for an exam."
You just proved yet again why you say VERY little to the police without benefit of counsel and why you NEVER consent to a search.
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Absolutely. You will NOT help yourself by "giving your side of the story" at 2:00am, after you've just discharged your weapon into a bad guy and your anxiety is running through the roof. Keep your pie hole closed. If you want to have a conversation, talk to your lawyer.
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One that you practice with/one that works....the rest are just details.
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Carry what you shoot well and that you will ACTUALLY carry...or something like that.
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Carry what you shoot well and that you will ACTUALLY carry...or something like that.
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A gun left at home does you no good at 2am in the Wal-Mart parking lot when some crackhead is trying to dispossess you of your ride with his rusty knife.
This best super wonder ray gun with lazer guided hyper mega-bullets is no help if it is not going to be on your person when it is most needed.
Guns are replaceable, your life is not....choose wisely
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