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Old 11-24-2012, 12:38 AM
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I keep a loaded revolver in my night stand. Makes me sleep better. I've also got a Jack Russel alarm system.
The alarm system, no batteries, pc boards, no electricity.

Just a intelligent ferocious little moving squirt that just doesn't understand the word retreat. They are cool.
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Different strokes for different folks.

A friend's brother awoke about 20 years ago now, just before a silent intruder pounced on him in bed. His S&W .357 revolver was on his nightstand.

A frantic fight for the gun ensued with both men getting really messed up, for about 15 minutes. During that time, the wood S&W factory stocks got broken off the gun, to give you an idea of how desperate both men fought for the gun. To lose that struggle meant death.

Eventually the homeowner got enough control over his gun to fire the one fatal bullet. He lived to have nightmares forever.

ME . . .

My kids are gone. My wife and I don't ever sleepwalk. Our Boston Terrier sleeps hard and he'd die for us but wouldn't be much of a threat.

My holstered M37 "sleeps" under the sheets, with a custom short-barreled M25-2 nearby too.

The 25-2 has a custom front sight that is as sharp as a razor on that short barrel. If an intruder tried to grab it, his hand would be severely lacerated as it was yanked from him.

My wife's 3" M37 Airweight is holstered, but concealed nearby too. She would use it if she had to of course.

No exposed nightstand guns for me! If I awake with someone in my room I'm going to remain very still as I gain my bearings, then slip the handgun out of the holster when I decide the person is a threat.



PS: SOME GUYS SHOULDN'T HAVE A LOADED GUN NEARBY!!!
My dad kept his loaded Colt Detective Special under his bed. He DID have dreams though, and one night a year before he died, and now a widower, he told me he'd had a very realistic dream that someone was coming down the hall and about to attack him. So he rolled from bed, kept low and shot at the intruder coming through the open door. It was at this time that he woke up from the dream, but no one was there, so he went back to sleep.

Just after he passed away, my brothers gave me his well-worn Detective's Special. My wife and I were sleeping in his house waiting for the funeral, and I decided to check his gun . . . remembering his vivid dream. Hmm . . . I wonder . . .

ONE CYLINDER HAD A SPENT CARTRIDGE IN IT!
I got low to the ground on the side of the bed he used and got a sight picture vantage point . . . then went to inspect the door to the hall. I FOUND THE BULLET . . . embedded half-way into the wood doorjamb. Yes, in the dream, and like a lot of WWII vets, he'd rolled to the ground, looked up and fired as he'd been trained.

No, folks that have dreams like that don't need to have a gun within reach for sure!!! Different strokes for different folks!

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Old 11-24-2012, 01:25 AM
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I own firearms. They are loaded. Most are readily accessible. My wife and I know how to use them.

My house is locked down at night. Our alarm system is a chihuahua and a wienerdog. Both work without batteries, and are very light sleepers!
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I own firearms. They are loaded. Most are readily accessible. My wife and I know how to use them.

My house is locked down at night. Our alarm system is a chihuahua and a wienerdog. Both work without batteries, and are very light sleepers!
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About a month ago there was a new article of a house near me that was burglarized while the family slept! The burglary even went into their sleeping daughters room and stole a laptop and cell phone I believe.
I see stories like this and wonder if it's an insurance scam. Pretty easy to say someone came in and took some valuables and walked off.

I really suspect this is the case when robbers steal only the odd stuff, and leave the easily pawned stuff sit. Like steal a 52" TV but leave the computer and two handguns?
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I see stories like this and wonder if it's an insurance scam. Pretty easy to say someone came in and took some valuables and walked off.

I really suspect this is the case when robbers steal only the odd stuff, and leave the easily pawned stuff sit. Like steal a 52" TV but leave the computer and two handguns?
I've seen this many times. They get in a hurry and miss the obvious. Easy to miss stuff in the dark. Even with a flashlight.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:01 PM
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I keep my FS .40 Pro on my nightstand a chair in front of the bedroom door and have a Belgian Mal that will let me know if something is going on. I also have a Black Rain Ordnance AR in the closet condition 3 with 30 rounds of Hornady Tap. Pistol is loaded with Critical Duty.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:55 PM
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I must be the odd man out because I have (2) loaded secondary home defense sidearms in the top drawer of my nightstand that's just an arm length away: an 11-round 45ACP pistol with a light/laser combo rail-mounted and a 31-round 9MM pistol loaded with 147-grain Black Talons.

I'm also a light sleeper and I have K9s in house that sound bellowing alarms if a coon farts outside that awakens me. But when I think their growls and barks "sound" serious enough, I just take a few steps and grab my primary home defense tool: an 8-round 12-gauge pump shotgun loaded with Centurion buckshot that's equipped with a rail-mounted light, too.

I live in a rural area and the kids are grown and gone. I don't think I'd be a high valued target for a professional burglar, or some deranged serial killer or assaulter. But the backwoods rural meth-heads, well, they're the ones that cause me the greatest concern of late. Meth-heads seem to be growing in numbers everywhere daily...
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:28 PM
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It is just my wife and me at home. At night, there are condition one guns, a flashlight, and phones within inches of me. There are condition one guns, a flashlight, and a phone within inches of my wife. Our top floor bedroom door is locked. There are two dogs sleeping with us for primary alarm. In over thirty years, we have never shot each other or one of the dogs. If we are dressed, we are carrying condition one unless it is illegal at that site.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:42 PM
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I use Gun Vaults and can get to my gun much faster than I can awake from a deep sleep.

I'd rather not give an intruder with an adrenaline rush, the first access to my defense gun.
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:13 PM
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Not telling what or where. But if they come in uninvited I will show them both.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:51 PM
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Take a close look around your house, starting at the front door and the path that leads to your bedroom. Using your imagination, how many makeshift weapons did you see along the way? I'm talking about weapons that can be used to kill an innocent sleeping in their own bed. Lamps, fireplace pokers, sculptures, ash trays, kitchen knives, etc...

I will bet you can find quite a few. If a bad guy wants to arm himself on his way to my room, the last thing I want to worry about is loading my revolver when awakened. No sir, I want the bullets in position to take a quick trip to a vital area.

If you are afraid of having a loaded gun on the nightstand, go buy a bat. It is a lot cheaper than a gun.

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Old 11-27-2012, 12:18 AM
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I own firearms. They are loaded. Most are readily accessible. My wife and I know how to use them.

My house is locked down at night. Our alarm system is a chihuahua and a wienerdog. Both work without batteries, and are very light sleepers!
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:20 AM
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I loaded the m&p with one in the tube and put it on my nightstand. Does this strike anyone as unsafe? Has anyone else done the same?
It would be strange not to have your guns loaded, I have a Mossy 500 and my 1911 next to my bed along with a 150lbs American Mastiff/German Shepherd mix.
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If this guy is not harming the residents of the homes he breaks into, perhaps you should use a Taser, stun gun, pepper spray or baseball bat for defense, and not the more lethal option of a firearm. You can have your less-than-lethal defense product on the nightstand, and your handgun concealed nearby, not out in the open for the unwanted visitor to arm himself with.
I see NO reason whatever to take ANY risk to protect somebody who unlawfully KNOWINGLY enters an occupied dwelling. That's somebody who's either a risk taker or somebody who's working himself up to more extreme behavior.

If you don't want to get shot, you shouldn't be breaking into people's homes when they're there.

There was an episode of "Cold Case Files" where a guy heard a noise in his home late at night. He picked up a baseball bat and went to see what the noise was. It was a guy with a knife, who proceeded to stab him to death, rape his wife and set the house on fire. The wife was harassed for quite a while by the police, as their only suspect. Finally after around ten years, the real murderer/rapist was caught. The wife's closing comment on the show was that she wished that she'd been killed the night her husband was.

Still think the baseball bat is a good idea?

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ABSOLUTELY UNSAFE.

A loaded firearm, say in the bedroom at night (NO CHILDREN) should be 8-10 feet away from you.

This allows for some time and distance that you have to cross while waking up from a Nitemare!

This helps cut down on ACCIDENTIAL SHOOTING OF LOVED ONES.


Someone better brief said psycho to stand more than 10 feet from the people he watches.



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Old 11-27-2012, 03:30 PM
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Chatted up an FBI agent >50 years ago who was speaker at our Kiwanis Club. He kept his loaded firearm ready to go - in a dresser drawer across the room. His rationale was he didn't want to shoot a loved one coming out of a deep sleep state...and if an intruder had the drop on you in bed you were basically screwed [ my words. not his - was a gent like most I've met].

For over 50 years now I have to get out of bed to get a firearm.

For an old fat man I can move pretty quick.

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Still think the baseball bat is a good idea?

That says it all... A loaded gun is a lot better idea.

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If the security of your sleeping place is so poor that a person can force their way in and stand over your bed while you sleep, the gun may be of little use. I would first focus on securing and hardening entry points. I would have some sort of method to alert you that someone is in your house. My house has a security system but my main alert system consists of two large dogs sleeping on the floor at the foot of my bed. I keep a shotgun and a pistol in my room. The shotgun has the magazine loaded and the chamber empty. The pistol has a loaded mag in it but an empty chamber I keep all of this along with my cellphone, a couple of lights and my landline phone within reach. We also shut and lock our bedroom door when we go to sleep. We are not comfortable having a firearm with a chambered round right in or next to the bed and I think we would get plenty of warning if an intruder tried to get in. Our daughter no longer lives at home so its just us and the dogs.
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My Glock 30 with light and lazer sits in the nightstand draw. I live in the country and have never locked the door. I have a large female Shepard and she is a very good alarm system...she has her own door in and out of the house and patrols when ever she feels the need and she is a very good detcctor...An intruder would never make it to the bed room....they would have to shoot the dog....she does not like intruders and by that time.they would have to contend with the glock...or possibly the AR-15.
After I had a bear invasion...I got the GS alarm system and nothing has invaded since LOL.
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If the security of your sleeping place is so poor that a person can force their way in and stand over your bed while you sleep, the gun may be of little use.

That sir, is a center-mass hit.



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If the security of your sleeping place is so poor that a person can force their way in and stand over your bed while you sleep, the gun may be of little use. I would first focus on securing and hardening entry points. I would have some sort of method to alert you that someone is in your house. My house has a security system but my main alert system consists of two large dogs sleeping on the floor at the foot of my bed. I keep a shotgun and a pistol in my room. The shotgun has the magazine loaded and the chamber empty. The pistol has a loaded mag in it but an empty chamber I keep all of this along with my cellphone, a couple of lights and my landline phone within reach. We also shut and lock our bedroom door when we go to sleep. We are not comfortable having a firearm with a chambered round right in or next to the bed and I think we would get plenty of warning if an intruder tried to get in. Our daughter no longer lives at home so its just us and the dogs.
I said the same in an earlier post but nobody listens.

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Old 11-27-2012, 09:58 PM
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I am alarmed.....at even the thought...
on a pro-gun forum.....someone would be afraid
to be 'locked and loaded'............
WITHIN ONE'S REACH !

Asleep or not.

This is scary.
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To the op; do whatever you feel makes you feel good and safe. Who cares whatever we all think is weird or strange.

To answer you, I don't think it's strange at all. I have 3 handguns locked and loaded all within reach.
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House alarm + 3 dogs and finally 2 loaded S&W in our night stands. If someone has the balls to make it to the bedroom, they'll get what they deserve.
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My suggestion:
Install a quality dead-bolt lock on your bedroom door. If someone is trying to get in, rack a round into the 12 guage pump you keep unter the bed (chamber empty). The sound will scare off anyone except homicidal killers and spaced-out drug users. If that all fails, use your tactical flashlight and the handgun in your night stand (mine is a S&W 5944 with 15 9mm hollow points).
I agree that the best alarm system is a protective pooch (Maggie the cockerpoodle).
It goes wthout saying that an expensive dead-bolt lock is no help if your door is a flimsy, hollow shell of 1/8th plywood.
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My suggestion:
Install a quality dead-bolt lock on your bedroom door. If someone is trying to get in, rack a round into the 12 guage pump you keep unter the bed (chamber empty). The sound will scare off anyone except homicidal killers and spaced-out drug users. If that all fails, use your tactical flashlight and the handgun in your night stand (mine is a S&W 5944 with 15 9mm hollow points).
I agree that the best alarm system is a protective pooch (Maggie the cockerpoodle).
It goes wthout saying that an expensive dead-bolt lock is no help if your door is a flimsy, hollow shell of 1/8th plywood.
Be careful out there,
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at that point i would not even bother racking around, if they already broke in the house and are trying to break in the bed room shotgun is being emptyed at the door fallowed by pistol shots if still needed, but i think 7 00 buck shots should do the job.
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If someone is trying to get in, rack a round into the 12 guage pump you keep unter the bed (chamber empty). The sound will scare off anyone except homicidal killers and spaced-out drug users.
...OR it will tell them that you're not as serious about what you're doing as they are about what they're doing and cause them to (not unreasonably) take you for an easier target.

I expect no sort of "warning" from an assailant. He should expect none from me. If he runs, he doesn't get shot. Any other action makes the outcome doubtful for him.
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, rack a round into the 12 guage pump you keep unter the bed (chamber empty).

You likewise just gave away your position/location.
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In today's economy.....
I can no longer afford a warning shot.
My apologies to any bad guy that may
have any thoughts of breaching my personal
space un-invited.
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I appreciate the comments..
My main point is have a solid door and quality lock between you and an intruder. With a substantial barrier, I think a threatening sound (shotgun) is a reasonable prelude to deadly force. Anyone who would stay around after hearing a Mossberg 500 racked is a deadly threat.
I once was reading late at night when my dog alerted me. A prowler was testing the doors and windows on the outside. I used the Mossy to let him know that my house was a bad choice to rob. He quickly left. To me, that was a perfectly acceptable outcome.
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I have an alarm system and a very territorial blue heeler/terrier mix rescue dog. (Grown men have backed away from our front door when she reacted to their presence.) I reckon I should be awake when I pick up my 3 inch S&W Model 13 and Eagle-Tac flashlight from the nightstand. Unless the wife decides that I've outlived my usefulness (The dog likes her best.), I should be okay.

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My main point is have a solid door and quality lock between you and an intruder. With a substantial barrier, I think a threatening sound (shotgun) is a reasonable prelude to deadly force. Anyone who would stay around after hearing a Mossberg 500 racked is a deadly threat.
I once was reading late at night when my dog alerted me. A prowler was testing the doors and windows on the outside. I used the Mossy to let him know that my house was a bad choice to rob. He quickly left. To me, that was a perfectly acceptable outcome.
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The deadbolt on the bedroom door is a good idea. However most interior doors are hollow core doors that are so flimsy that a child could break it down.

And don't count on a bad guy being scared off by the sound of your shotgun. And if you've waited until the bad guy was just outside your bedroom door to rack the slide, you've waited too long.
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our decisions. I am not going to tell another person how he/she should set up their defenses.

I am not going to tell anyone about my setup--or the .50 Barrett by my bed.
My 870 near the bathroom door is a secret, also. And so is my P226 afixed behind a dresser drawer out of sight. The gun I carry on a particular day will typically be on my nightstand--loaded.

No doubt, there are some people whose sleep habits and actions during sleep would be advised to have their weapon a step or two away. We're not all the same in that regard.
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I keep mine with magazine loaded and chamber empty. Makes sure I have time to become aware.

While in the Service at Ft Ord, we came back from Stillwell Hall (EM Club on the beach) by hopping the fence, jay-walking PCH and hopping another fence. This brought us through the Quartermaster's area (railroad yard). The guard said "Halt", RACKED HIS SHOTGUN. " and repeated "I said, Halt!". We were NOT going anywhere! I swear the loudest sound in the world is the sound of an older (4-click) single action cocking in the dark!

Also, wife and I have a procedure: If she comes home late, she stops at the front door and calls out until I answer. AND, we have 3 dogs: 2 GSPs (one is crossbred with a Percheron!) and a "kick me" whippet cross.

Also, we both grew up in Los Angeles and lock our doors at night.
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While in the Service at Ft Ord, we came back from Stillwell Hall (EM Club on the beach) by hopping the fence, jay-walking PCH and hopping another fence. This brought us through the Quartermaster's area (railroad yard). The guard said "Halt", RACKED HIS SHOTGUN. " and repeated "I said, Halt!".
You were also a bunch of drunken NCOs, NOT Hayes and Komisarjevsky.

You weren't bent on robbery, rape or murder. If you had been, it's doubtful that a mere mechanical sound would have stopped you. It MIGHT have changed your plans... or not.

I doubt that the average home invader/rapist reads firearms related message boards. It's entirely possible that he doesn't "know" that certain mechanical sounds are supposed to frighten him.

Of course too, I'd bet money that a sizeable portion of people advising others to rely upon the sound of a shotgun action also advise others not to open carry because "They'll be the first one shot." I don't see how calling attention to oneself being armed in one case is more advisable than in the other. If it's bad for a potential assailant to see your holstered firearm, how is it GOOD for him to be warned that you have a shotgun?
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ABSOLUTELY UNSAFE.

A loaded firearm, say in the bedroom at night (NO CHILDREN) should be 8-10 feet away from you.

This allows for some time and distance that you have to cross while waking up from a Nitemare!

This helps cut down on ACCIDENTIAL SHOOTING OF LOVED ONES.
Yes and impairs the ability do defend ones self and loved ones when the intruder gets between you and your pistol 8-10 ft away.What happens when you wake up to this nightmare?
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80 lbs of German Shepard in the hall way, on a nice LL bean dog bed, a S&W 19 .357 with 158 gr. SWC's on the night stand...12 gauge Mossberg, with buckshot in the closet.
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Maybe I was sheltered growing up in Los Angeles, and living next to Compton (long-time record holder for per-capita homicides) but I have personally known two people to shoot family members (well, one was a boyfriend=and one was killed) and no one who was attacked in their bedroom in 63 years, over 50 of them in Cali.
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Maybe I was sheltered growing up in Los Angeles, and living next to Compton (long-time record holder for per-capita homicides) but I have personally known two people to shoot family members (well, one was a boyfriend=and one was killed) and no one who was attacked in their bedroom in 63 years, over 50 of them in Cali.
Do you know anybody who has been subjected to a probable carjacking attempt (trying to force a vehicle off of the road) on an interstate? You do now.

By the way, didn't Richard Ramirez operate in L.A.?

I seem too to recall a Mexican national riding the rails, and jumping off of trains in various locations to break into homes and murder people, in their bedrooms if I'm not mistaken. I think he even killed one or more people here in Ohio.
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The Hillside Strangler operated in Los Angeles also.

One hot summer night in Hollywood in the 1970s, when I normally slept soundly through the night, I was awakened feeling an evil presense, looked out my window and saw a man about 6 feet away, peering through the screen of the open window at me and my wife, both naked lying on top of the sheets. I shouted something and he ran away. I think he was eyeing my wife as his next victim. He was later convicted of some of the Hillside Stranglings. Several of his victims were taken from within a single mile of my house.

The next day, I bought my first shotgun, loaded it with 00 ammo, and mounted it in a gun rack attached to the head of the bed.
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Some good thoughts here, I agree with some I think are rather speculative IMVHO. in the army some years back I remember being instructed to wake up a relief by tapping his foot at a slight distance so if he woke up startled he would just start swinging. I later found however this is only prevalent in about 1 in 6 people and more so in young men under stress. All I can say to this is "know thyself and thy enemy and in 1000 battles one will not be defeated!" That being said..enough Tsun Tsu ;-) Do I dismiss such thoughts? No ,absolutely not. The following is something without doubt to consider and not dismiss, but comes under the heading of knowing yourself.We are responsible for our actions.
Owning a firearm is a great pleasure and right but too often when we become complacent we make mistakes.I'll share an embaressing but true story, My dad was a Police Sgt. after retiring he got a job delivering barer Bonds and carried as part of his job, myself and both my sisters had moved out and had families of our own. It was only him and my mom in the house. One visit for my mothers birthday comes to mind, the whole family came to celebrate, Dad was at work still but the party was to start when he got home...anyway as I, my sisters and their kids and husbands sat around chatting I heard a noise...I went into my dad's room and found my nephew pointing a loaded.38 detective special at me. I quietly spoke to Michael and took the firearm from him, unloaded it and put it away. It's embaresssing to say but Dad ever vigilient, screwed up, he woke up late for woke and left it loaded on the nightstand! Needless to say I took it to him when he came home...he grew complacent because there were no kids around anymore! I never forgot that lesson, he got lucky that day and never did either!
That being said, at the time, I was in law enforcement myself. I;ve seen both sides of the coin so to speak, I personally know of instances when people were suprised in their sleep by an intruder. I've dealt with people who specialized in B@E and seen the sad results of those unprepared who thought the Police were magicly hovering around like angels protecting them. I know better. If your going to have a firearm for home defense you need to have quick access while denying the same to a potential perp if possible. Otherwise keep it locked up. FWIW in every case where I asked a perp, the single factor that detered them from Breaking an entering and going elsewhere was NOT an alarm....it was a dog! The dog doesn't have to be big, noisey will do! I can go on and on, but I'll spare you and be brief, I keep a loaded pistol in the draw of my nightstand under a T shirt. Not immediately visable but I can draw it in easily when waking from my sleep. I have both a watch dog and a guard dog (there is a difference BTW) a small rescue mutt mix wachdog that yaps at the sound of anything gives plenty of warning, and a european Dobermann (Much larger then her American cousin) that's just growls and says come on in ...I dare ya. If I awake to find someone over me...well then they are super ninja! :-) nothing I could of done....except maybe my wife will cap him with the bersa thunder 380 she has in her night stand! ;-) Long story short, when I wake up the gun goes in the safe til nighty night time AS a Trained Habit or it goes in my holster to be carried out and about my daily affairs. We owe it to ourselves to protect our loved one's from bad guys....we also owe it to our loved one's to be ULTRA responsible! Just my two cents...sorry for the length!
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The Hillside Strangler operated in Los Angeles also.

One hot summer night in Hollywood in the 1970s, when I normally slept soundly through the night, I was awakened feeling an evil presense, looked out my window and saw a man about 6 feet away, peering through the screen of the open window at me and my wife, both naked lying on top of the sheets. I shouted something and he ran away. I think he was eyeing my wife as his next victim. He was later convicted of some of the Hillside Stranglings. Several of his victims were taken from within a single mile of my house.

The next day, I bought my first shotgun, loaded it with 00 ammo, and mounted it in a gun rack attached to the head of the bed.
And the Skid Row Slasher, and others. Ken Bianchi (one of the two doing the Strangler killings) worked in in the title insurance industry, as did I. I met him once at an interoffice/industry party. He worked in the same position I did but for a different company==my ex-sister-in-law worked for him as a relief secretary. My impression, based on one introduction, was he was a wimp.

I walked through the area where the Slasher was doing his crimes just before and just after he did them; A couple of times before the police found them (For those familiar with L.A., I took the RTD in from Long Beach to the main Greyhound station off of 7th and walked up to the Hall of Records on Temple.) My co-workers joked that it was me because of my attitude on Skid Row winos such as Burlap Bertha who slept in the doorway at the Mexican Tourist Bureau. Yes, there are guys with trench coats and dozens of wristwatches on, AND guys with trench coats and NO WATCHES on.

If I remember right, their victims were targets of opportunity, mostly hookers and run-aways (like Peter Lorre's grandaughter). I think you might be thinking of the Night Stalker, Ramirez, who did enter homes.
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Fourkeeps, your post wasn't long! I enjoyed reading it! Makes perfect sense. I have two Italian Greyhounds that bark when the furnace kicks on! Super sensitive! I wish I had their ears! I don't startle, I just wake up. I keep my 642 right on my nightstand behind my cpap machine. In the morning, it goes back in my holster on my jeans for the next day. It is either with me, on my night stand or in my safe. As far as someone standing in my bedroom watching me sleep, like Fourkeeps says, good luck to him!!
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I seem too to recall a Mexican national riding the rails, and jumping off of trains in various locations to break into homes and murder people, in their bedrooms if I'm not mistaken. I think he even killed one or more people here in Ohio.
And one in Lexington, Kentucky... A particularly brutal murder.
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I don't actually have a 'night stand' or table near my bed. Got one of those big old fancy headboards with drawers and cupboard-style compartments. Where it is , I can reach my CZ-75 even with my hands under the pillows.

Some of my house rules are;
1. no smoking!
2. no kids!

The friends that do visit are my age (53) or better and kids aren't an issue.
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Only a professional thief could get into my house without rousing me, and there is no reason for such a person to do so. Thus the prospect of waking to someone standing over me is not on my radar.

There are no children or family members other than my wife and I in our house, so any uninvited person should consider the locked doors and windows their FINAL warning because I will repel any invaders in the harshest way possible.
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The Hillside Strangler operated in Los Angeles also.

One hot summer night in Hollywood in the 1970s, when I normally slept soundly through the night, I was awakened feeling an evil presense, looked out my window and saw a man about 6 feet away, peering through the screen of the open window at me and my wife, both naked lying on top of the sheets. I shouted something and he ran away. I think he was eyeing my wife as his next victim. He was later convicted of some of the Hillside Stranglings. Several of his victims were taken from within a single mile of my house.

The next day, I bought my first shotgun, loaded it with 00 ammo, and mounted it in a gun rack attached to the head of the bed.
....and close the windows when you sleep - I hope!
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My carry guns are only unloaded when I clean them or if I have to fly commercial somewhere on personal business. The house has a security system, and our 56 pound rescue black lab mix can rattle the windows. My duty belt with the S&W 686-6, baton, OC spray, and Taser hangs on the headboard, but my S&W 12-2 is in a bed rail holster, and S&W 642-2 is in a lidded box on the nightstand with a 320 lumen UtiliTech flashlight. My wife has her own gun, a S&W 681 with Crimson Trace grips, in a bed rail holster on her side. A condition 3 Ruger Ranch Rifle with Surefire weapon light and folding ATI stock is handy. My wife and I both have electronic shooting muffs on our nightstands in the event something goes bump in the night. They mute loud noises and amplify low noises. This last is very important.

On work mornings the duty belt goes on, the 12-2 goes in a cargo pocket, the 642-2 goes in another. Days off, the 686-6 is in the safe, and I carry the Airweights. Sometimes, especially when traveling by car, the 12-2 is matched with a 13-3 and the 642-2 goes in a pocket.

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In your situation I'd say nightstand and ready to go are in order, but I wouldnn't keep it in sight. Mine's in a drawer. If you have a spouse or significant other they should be made aware of it and firearm rules so as not to pick it up or point it incorrectly if it's needed to move for some reason. Better yet, teach them to use it.
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