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Old 11-15-2012, 10:35 AM
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So there's a psycho patrolling the neighborhoods at night breaking into houses and watching people sleep till they wake up. I loaded the m&p with one in the tube and put it on my nightstand. Does this strike anyone as unsafe? Has anyone else done the same?
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:44 AM
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ABSOLUTELY UNSAFE.

A loaded firearm, say in the bedroom at night (NO CHILDREN) should be 8-10 feet away from you.

This allows for some time and distance that you have to cross while waking up from a Nitemare!

This helps cut down on ACCIDENTIAL SHOOTING OF LOVED ONES.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:54 AM
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Assuming you don't have an alarm system, waking up to find someone standing in the bedroom watching you would be stressful enough. It might be more so if you reached for your gun and found he got to it first. If you're going to keep a gun in the bedroom it should not be visible but easily accessible and loaded. With the problem you described (psycho breaking into homes) you need a guard dog or an alarm system as well as a gun.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:11 AM
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Unsafe in what way? That it shouldnt have one in the pipe or that you might accidentally shoot a loved one or be killed by this guy?

As far as the gun goes it is SAFE to keep it chambered. As for the other part, thats up to you. There are + and - to that. On the one had you are ready on the other you could shoot someone you love.

Me, personally, im locked and loaded.

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Old 11-15-2012, 11:17 AM
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If this nut comes in and watches people sleeping then he is in close proximity to the nightstand. You may wake up and find that the intruder is armed with your gun.
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1 in the pipe is OK.

TOO Close of a proximity too you can lead to ACCIDENTS (Nitemare Dreams).

Chances of Home Invasion very slight UNLESS YOU'RE DRUG TRADE RELATED.

Perps look for UNOCCUPIED places as the sentence if caught would probably be less.

Get a DOG & ALARM if you're really concerned, OR MOVE.
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My dogs sleep beside the bed, they're my early warning system. When I go to bed my fully loaded duty gun goes on the nightstand with a light attached and a second flashlight beside it. I've done it this way for many years, even when we had kids in the house, never an issue.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:15 PM
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So there's a psycho patrolling the neighborhoods at night breaking into houses and watching people sleep till they wake up. I loaded the m&p with one in the tube and put it on my nightstand. Does this strike anyone as unsafe? Has anyone else done the same?
I have a bed up against a wall, I leave a gap between and hang my shoulder holster on it, that way it's accessible to me and no body else. I'm a light sleeper, I keep a KaBar under my pillow often as well. The way I see it, somebody would have to reach over me and have to struggle with the thumb strap. In that time frame I can wake up and deploy the Kabar. I personally doubt that I'd wake up from a nightmare guns a'blazeing. It's what you're comfortable with, you know how you sleep. I don't recommend leaving the gun in the open, as previously mentioned, you may wake up to find your weapon in the perps hand.
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I do it every night with a Glock 19.
The pistol is on my night stand, with white light attached and in a holster.
I wouldn’t do it without the weapon being holstered.

I also leave the safe in my bedroom closet unlocked, and a Noveske AR-15 with Aimpoint T1 on, and white light attached in condition one, muzzle down. I like muzzle down for a number of reasons on the rifle. First of all I’m not potentially leaning over a hot muzzle in the dark while fumbling around. I also live in a single story house. If the chambered round cooks off in a fire it’s going into the dirt.

During the rare bump in the nights, I’ve always had time to grab the AR-15 in favor of the Glock. My wife likes the Glock anyway.

I’m a light sleeper and so is our English Mastiff.

Now people who put a pistol under their pillow I think are just plain nuts!

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There are likely several hundreds of thousands of loaded guns in nightstands and I can't remember the last news report of someone waking from a dream and shooting the wife or kids. I know a decade and a half of sleeping with a gun in my nightstand has never had me waking up and blasting anyone and I tend to think it makes me sleep a little better.
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I spoke with an old timer who said he used to sleep with a J-frame under his pillow until he woke one morning to find it laying on the bed beside him with the hammer cocked!
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I sleep with three loaded revolvers withing reach but hidden from view. If someone is kicking my door in it is they who will have the nightmare, when the door swings open. But then I do not have other family members who go anywhere in my residence at night till I get up and take them to the bathroom. If I had children in my residence then things might be different. AS for intruders if the door comes crashing in I don't do breathalizer test, nor IQ tests, nor age questionaires, nor drug tests and they will be stopped at the point of breakin.
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Mine is in the night stand and the safety is on. There is also a Surefire right next to it. I have done this for a number of years without it being an issue. A lot depends on your sleep pattern. Mine GSD is my first alert, but we also have an alarm.
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Get a house alarm system and keep your guns in condition three.
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So there's a psycho patrolling the neighborhoods at night breaking into houses and watching people sleep till they wake up. I loaded the m&p with one in the tube and put it on my nightstand. Does this strike anyone as unsafe? Has anyone else done the same?
A couple of things: first of all no one is getting into our bedroom without making plenty of noise to wake us up. we are set up like this intentionally.

2nd, All the kids are long gone so it's just me and the Mrs.

In our case I consider not only safe but advisable to have my Glock-21 (full size .45 auto) fully loaded with a round in the chamber and a tactical light on the rail ready and at hand.

If we are every disturbed by someone breaking in then the plan is that I pick up the Glock and the wife rolls off the far side of the bed and calls 911.

My side of the bed is 7 1/2' from the threshold of the bedroom door. In the event of a break in I am not going to go through the house looking for the intruder. I don't want to shoot anyone over a TV or any "propery". That is what insurance is for.

Our bedroom is dark. There is a night light in the hall bathroom that illuminates the bedroom doorway without illuminating anything in the bedroom. Someone standing there would not be able to see anything in the room but would be in clear view from my position on the bed. If they get into that position then my perception changes to "in fear of the life and safety of me and my wife....they will be shot.

A couple of rounds before turning on the tac lite and then lite 'em up to determine if more is needed.

I know everyones situation is different and we must all determine what is needed for our own set of circumstances and level of preparedness. For us, the above is our plan and we are stick' to it.
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I'd prefer something like a bed and couch holster. That way you have access to the gun but it is not visible to others.
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If this guy is not harming the residents of the homes he breaks into, perhaps you should use a Taser, stun gun, pepper spray or baseball bat for defense, and not the more lethal option of a firearm.
I do not share your charitable opinion for a number of reasons...

If someone is willing to break into an occupied home, you must consider him a threat.

If you think attempting to spray or tase that same person may make them run away crying, you may be surprised, and not in a good way.

If someone breaks into my home while my wife and kids are there, they will get the full brunt of any and all weapons I have at my disposal, including the loaded gun in my nightstand.
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loaded and ready to go here. Lol sometimes ive even fallen asleep carring IWB.
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I keep a loaded revolver in my night stand. Makes me sleep better. I've also got a Jack Russel alarm system.
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Not everyone has the same concerns and or the same security levels to deal with.

If this cat is watching folks sleep...I doubt I could get up and make the 8 or 10 feet across the room
to procure a firearm without being confronted by the suspect...Especially if he was bent on doing harm.




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Not having an alarm is this day an age is crazy. I don't need one to protect me, just to let me know someone's there. I've got it from there. Get an alarm, put it on payments if you need to, but get one before you regret not having one.

Just an observation based on experience, anyone who's breaking into homes and watching people sleep is working up the guts to do worse. It's a matter of when, not if.

Be safe and take care of you and yours.
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I keep my Governor IN the bottom drawer of my nightstand. 6 Corbon 45 Colt +P 200gr pills ready to go.
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Always loaded and one in the pipe laying in the nightstand. German Shepherd alarm system in the house.....come on in.
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I don't see anything wrong with a loaded gun by the bed. When we had a serial killer in Beaver Valley, PA, I had a gun on my side and my wife had her own.

In addition to the gun, I would lock the bedroom door and have a powerful white light. In the dark a light can temporarily blind an intruder.
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I may need to upgrade my Chocolate Lab alarm system to an electronic one... My Lab system sleeps most of the time unless something disturbs her food bowl.
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If someone breaks into my home while my wife and kids are there, they will get the full brunt of any and all weapons I have at my disposal, including the loaded gun in my nightstand.
Exactly what LL said.
We're on the exact same page in our house.
I still don't see how anyone can get into a house w/o making enough noise to alert the people in that house?
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1. Have your wife sleep between you and the bedroom door.
2. Sleep with a fully loaded 12 gauge between you and your wife.
3. In case of a break end the BG will have to deal with a screaming female first.
4. while you deploy your 12 gauge, your wife will be cover for you and also a weapon rest for aimed shots
5. if this scenerio takes place--plan on fixing your own breakfast in the morning.

P.S. I don't sleep with a loaded weapon--just a hand grenade with the pin partly pulled out.
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Now people who put a pistol under their pillow I think are just plain nuts!
Or they've seen one too many movies!
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I've thought about this long and hard. And I've had a loaded gun on my nightstand for over 30 years.

First off, your house should not be that easy to get into so you wake up and have someone staring at you. Where you keep your gun is not the primary concern. Keeping the bad guy out in the first priority.

As far as not having the motor skills to handle a firearm when awaken from a deep sleep, how do you expect to find or open your pistol box under the same circumstances? And most pistols boxes and safe make noises when opened. Letting the bad guy know where you are and what your doing isn't something I want.

We all have differing ideas as to our security and how we will protect ourselves. What's good for one may not be good for someone else.

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Pap always said if he had time to get a gun and bullets and load the gun he didn't need a gun. The loaded gun needs to be where you can reach it. He didn't have much book learning but he knew how the real world works. Larry
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I have a old holster that is attached to my matress rail, all I have to do is reach down and my M64 is in my hand, also it is coverd by the bed spread so only I know it is there.
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We all sleep on the second floor of our house. I always thought it would be a good idea to put a deterrent on the only stair, but somehow I couldn't convince myself it would be safe for the friendlies in the house. Something like a bear trap or maybe some trick fold down stair treads...

As I get older and have teenagers running around at all hours, working late or getting snacks, I find I pretty much sleep through anything. I am really beginning to want a real alarm system that isn't easily fooled by the dog or a blowing curtain, and is loud enough to wake me quickly, and make a bad guy think twice.

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I have slept with both the 627 and HK P2000 on me
when working construction in remote areas and
having to sleep at the job site.

Once near New Orleans in one of the worst
neighborhoods of the country I was awoke
at 3 A.M. My 2 employees awoke first.
A Latino was on the roof after climbing
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My friend yelled get your gun. I pointed
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Oh! My guns (627/P2000) are fully loaded within 2 feet in or on top of a nightstand or chair with 2 flashlights and reloads. 3 mags for the HK and 3 8-shot moonclips for the S&W. Ready to rock.

Shotgun near the front door of the family domicile hidden under the couch. Fully loaded H&R Pardner Pump 12 gauge without the duck plug. 00 Buckshot then slugs, 00 Buckshot then slugs, 00 Buckshot then slugs in the tube.

I rue the day someone attempts anything.

Oh, yeah and the alarm system. I lock my bedroom door every night.
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Having a chambered round isnt the safest option but ultimately a weapons safety is directly linked to how safe the operator is. If you have experience this is fine, but i wouldnt reccomend new or unexperienced handgun owners to adopt that method.

I keep mine not far from the bed, mag loaded but not inserted. In the even i need to use it, click, clack, boom
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I'm not comfortable keeping a gun on the nightstand.

I keep my Mossy (cruiser ready) within 5 feet just beside my armoire on my side of the bed, slightly illuminated by a low green light (it's not visible to anyone entering the room). I keep my M&P in the armoire.

As mentioned before if someone was to get in the bedroom and not wake me up they could get my gun if it's on the night stand or worse yet I could have a nightmare and shoot my wife.....

She keeps her 22 in the nightstand on her side of the bed.

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As far as not having the motor skills to handle a firearm when awaken from a deep sleep, how do you expect to find or open your pistol box under the same circumstances? And most pistols boxes and safe make noises when opened. Letting the bad guy know where you are and what your doing isn't something I want.

We all have differing ideas as to our security and how we will protect ourselves. What's good for one may not be good for someone else.
That is exactly why I wanted it on too of the nightstand. We have had clues of someone being at our door wall during the summer. Smoking cigerette butts, someone making noise on the deck and others. So I figure this guy is semi experienced on what he can and can't do. If I wake up and a guy is walking into my room, I will have an extremely hard time opening up the drawer and looking for a pistol. Waking up from a deep sleep and then searching in a drawer will take me some time.

I have determined my solution will be a bed side holster from crossbreed that connects to the side of the bed with Velcro and material that goes in between the mattress and frame. Until this comes in, it will be on top of my nightstand.
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Precisely^^^ excellent idea there, sir.
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Three loaded firearms are in night stands in our bedroom.

My old off-duty carry, a S&W 6906 in 9mm is in my wife's night stand.

My duty carry, a Sig P220 in .45acp is in the top drawer of my night stand, with my current off-duty carry, a Glock 26 in 9mm is in the second drawer.
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Exactly what LL said.
We're on the exact same page in our house.
I still don't see how anyone can get into a house w/o making enough noise to alert the people in that house?
About a month ago there was a new article of a house near me that was burglarized while the family slept! The burglary even went into their sleeping daughters room and stole a laptop and cell phone I believe.
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About a month ago there was a new article of a house near me that was burglarized while the family slept! The burglary even went into their sleeping daughters room and stole a laptop and cell phone I believe.
If a person's house is that easy to get into while they are asleep, then they are partially responsible. But nooooooo! They want the police to protect them.
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Many of you know what I do for a living. And you know I push home security. Matter of fact, I would rather have a secure home than a firearm if I were forced to choose between the two.

I have been awakened from a dead sleep more than once. I know what it's like to wake up and try to clear my head. I remember trying to stand up, grab a flashlight and a firearm.

My point is, why do you think my home is so secure? Because even in the dead of night I will have plenty of time to clear my head, grab a gun and light and prepare to defend myself.

Though the course of my job, I have helped countless people who didn't properly prepare and became victims. These events changed their lives forever.

Doesn't matter how and where you keep your guns. If you don't have time to react then you have lost. And you have lost because you didn't prepare yourself properly. That's the harsh reality of it.
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Many of you know what I do for a living. And you know I push home security. Matter of fact, I would rather have a secure home than a firearm if I were forced to choose between the two.

I have been awakened from a dead sleep more than once. I know what it's like to wake up and try to clear my head. I remember trying to stand up, grab a flashlight and a firearm.

My point is, why do you think my home is so secure? Because even in the dead of night I will have plenty of time to clear my head, grab a gun and light and prepare to defend myself.

Though the course of my job, I have helped countless people who didn't properly prepare and became victims. These events changed their lives forever.

Doesn't matter how and where you keep your guns. If you don't have time to react then you have lost. And you have lost because you didn't prepare yourself properly. That's the harsh reality of it.
The reciprocal of this position is inane --- I once sold residential alarms systems, usually, to people who had already been burglary victims, and were locking the barn door after the horses were out. They of course routinely felt violated, and angry at the loss of their "stuff", especially if it included heirloom jewelry or the like, but mostly they were frightened at the prospect of another intrusion while they were home, asleep, in Condition White (the routine condition for most people, by my observation) or otherwise insensible to impending danger. Every one of these victims wanted as much perimeter protection as they could afford, and some also wanted interior zone protection, but I can't recall any of them (there may have been a few... I just don't remember any) who mentioned having any tools or plan to repel invaders, after having been alerted by the alarm system. Most were counting on the police to charge in on white horses and slay the dragons just in the nick of time.

One middle-aged matron actually asked my advice about what to do if alerted by the alarm to a breach in her home's perimeter. I pointed out that in her precinct, high-priority call response time was on the order of three minutes under ideal circumstances, far slower if any incident was already occupying police attention, and, given the typically cynical regard for inept-user-caused false alarms, probably much longer. So, she rightly gathered "I'm on my own?" "Yes, and were you me, you'd have a suitable weapon and the knowledge and skills to use it... "

Thus ended the conversation --- this woman was not mentally fit to accept the idea of assuming responsibility for her own and her family's protection, willing to abdicate to someone else's responsibility, an utter sheep among wolves.

Her expensive alarm was thus rendered pretty much useless, and her false sense of security, a sham.

I'm voting for fully operable, weaponlight-equipped nightstand guns...
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I keep a loaded Shield in my nightstand and a loaded 12ga in the closet, when possible I would grab the shotgun, but I like having the pistol close, or to arm my girlfriend
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I am not sure of some of the trauma that has been suffered by some in their lives, but I can tell you I've never awakened in a panic, reaching for a firearm. I have ready access to firearms in, and outside of my home at any given time. That being said there are a few levels that have to be breached to gain access, and by that point I should have been fully alerted. People often forget that their most powerful tool is between their ears.
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Having a chambered round isnt the safest option ...
Every loaded revolver ever made fits that description, yes?
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I'm with the nightstand. A defense gun sums up the old parachute/gun phrase, when you need one...you need it NOW!

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