Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > Concealed Carry & Self Defense

Notices

Concealed Carry & Self Defense All aspects of Concealed and Open Carry, Home and Self Defense.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-08-2012, 10:29 AM
Hddeuce Hddeuce is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Clinton Township, MI
Posts: 32
Likes: 65
Liked 13 Times in 8 Posts
Default Cool Rig

Does any one know the gun and holster makers?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg RackMultipart20121205-8749-1kviuy_grid_6.jpg (59.3 KB, 487 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-08-2012, 04:59 PM
GLV GLV is offline
US Veteran
Absent Comrade
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Indiana
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts
Thumbs down Not sure even what it is,

but it almost looks to answer the question of 'how do I shoot my self while drawing the gun'. Now I have open trigger guards on revolver holsters, and even on a couple of semi auto guns, but on nothing that has a thumb break.

I'll pass.
__________________
the world is round everywhere
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 12-08-2012, 08:19 PM
GerSan69 GerSan69 is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: metro Phoenix
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 16,419
Liked 3,964 Times in 1,605 Posts
Default

I don't know either, but it's an interesting design. I'd love to see some other views. Where'd you find it?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-09-2012, 07:54 PM
andrewb70's Avatar
andrewb70 andrewb70 is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 433
Likes: 37
Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts
Default

The point of a holster is not only to retain the gun but also to cover the trigger. That design might look cool, but it is a total FAIL for safe conceal carry.

Andrew
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 12-09-2012, 11:33 PM
GerSan69 GerSan69 is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: metro Phoenix
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 16,419
Liked 3,964 Times in 1,605 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
The point of a holster is not only to retain the gun but also to cover the trigger. That design might look cool, but it is a total FAIL for safe conceal carry.
That is, of course, only an opinion. Depending on one's training and experience, one might know better than to put a finger in the trigger prior to drawing without needing something to block the path. Of course, the trend these days seems to be to assume everyone is a dope that can't follow instructions, and who might sue over their own negligence. Too bad.
That certainly seems like an older design, OP. Do you actually have it or did you find the photo somewhere? I'd love to find out more about it, more as an historical exercise than anything.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 12-10-2012, 12:33 AM
palmettosunshine palmettosunshine is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 81
Likes: 62
Liked 77 Times in 28 Posts
Default

When your trigger is exposed you are at risk for a ND. Period. Regardless of whether you're a dope or not....
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 12-10-2012, 07:11 AM
blujax01's Avatar
blujax01 blujax01 is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: C-Bus
Posts: 6,335
Likes: 4,311
Liked 4,916 Times in 2,086 Posts
Default

Trigger Exposed or Trigger Guarded is a debate much like the helmet debate for motorcycles (or bicycles)

Generally speaking, and in my opinion, a covered trigger is safer. That being said, literally millions of holsters have been sold to military, LEO and civilians over the past couple hundred years with uncovered triggers or with trigger cutouts like the example above.

It is when your attention wanders that you are at risk for an ND.

"Period"
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 12-10-2012, 07:17 AM
blujax01's Avatar
blujax01 blujax01 is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: C-Bus
Posts: 6,335
Likes: 4,311
Liked 4,916 Times in 2,086 Posts
Default

It looks a little like an El Paso #5 Patton perhaps?
#5 "Patton" Holster
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-10-2012, 12:46 PM
LoboGunLeather's Avatar
LoboGunLeather LoboGunLeather is offline
US Veteran
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7,520
Likes: 19,278
Liked 32,372 Times in 5,476 Posts
Default

The pistol looks like a Makarov variant. The holster is a IWB-design with the belt clip removed (leather piece sewn on the outside with two slots to insert and retain the steel clip), unable to identify the maker.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-10-2012, 03:53 PM
Moonman Moonman is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 4,273
Likes: 3,043
Liked 1,791 Times in 932 Posts
Default

The uncovered trigger leaves open the possibility of too many ND's.

Many LEO's had ND's from the old days in cruisers,
getting in and out of cruisers, reaching to draw on adrenalin.

These are ND that you would never hear about in the newspaper.

Old training had the FINGER ON THE TRIGGER, not so anymore,
and very little time is lost per a recorded test by Massad Ayoob.
__________________
NRA Pistol/Rifle Inst. RSO
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-10-2012, 08:01 PM
palmettosunshine palmettosunshine is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 81
Likes: 62
Liked 77 Times in 28 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blujax01 View Post
Trigger Exposed or Trigger Guarded is a debate much like the helmet debate for motorcycles (or bicycles)

Generally speaking, and in my opinion, a covered trigger is safer. That being said, literally millions of holsters have been sold to military, LEO and civilians over the past couple hundred years with uncovered triggers or with trigger cutouts like the example above.

It is when your attention wanders that you are at risk for an ND.

"Period"
We agree on the fact that a covered trigger is safer. When your trigger is exposed you have a MUCH greater chance of a ND and your attention can't ALWAYS be on protecting your exposed trigger. Period.

Oh, and just for the record, around here we have term for those that ride without a helmet. "organ donor"

Let the flames begin!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-10-2012, 10:20 PM
Dikinalaska Dikinalaska is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Soldotna, AK
Posts: 937
Likes: 84
Liked 357 Times in 238 Posts
Default

Wasn't this thread meant to identify the equipment?
__________________
-Dik
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
GerSan69 GerSan69 is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: metro Phoenix
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 16,419
Liked 3,964 Times in 1,605 Posts
Default

Yeah, but any time a less-than-politically-correct item shows up, the P.C.-ness becomes the topic.
Sorry guys, it's a generational thing. You were taught to cover up your trigger, I wasn't. We disagree, so what? My apparently not well made point was simply that the liability lobby has us all giving up responsibility for our own action/training/experience, as if we're all too stupid to know what to do, and that all products have to be designed to protect us from ourselves.
No need to do the "My firearms knowledge is better than yours" dance again, OK? Makes us all sound like mall ninjas or something.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #14  
Old 12-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Dikinalaska Dikinalaska is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Soldotna, AK
Posts: 937
Likes: 84
Liked 357 Times in 238 Posts
Default

My point exactly. No disrespect intended tho.
__________________
-Dik
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 12-11-2012, 11:20 PM
palmettosunshine palmettosunshine is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 81
Likes: 62
Liked 77 Times in 28 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dikinalaska View Post
Wasn't this thread meant to identify the equipment?
You're absolutely right, sorry to take away from the OP's question.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-12-2012, 07:58 PM
Hddeuce Hddeuce is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Clinton Township, MI
Posts: 32
Likes: 65
Liked 13 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by palmettosunshine View Post
You're absolutely right, sorry to take away from the OP's question.
It was a picture that was sent to me via email.

After I posted this, I looked at it again and it kind of looks like a painting?

I know it's probably not safe and practical...but it is cool looking...

I was just curious if anyone had seen something like it before.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-12-2012, 08:51 PM
Old cop Old cop is online now
US Veteran
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,811
Likes: 4,241
Liked 15,209 Times in 4,164 Posts
Default

I was an LEO for 30 years and every holster I used, both dept. issued and personally owned, was an open trigger guard design. There was some sort of leather strap over the hammer and not once do I recall a ND that was a result of this holster design. Interestingly enough when we transitioned to the Glock M23 the holster design was a covered trigger and still no ND attributable to holster design, but a few of the other kind of ND.
__________________
Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-13-2012, 05:09 AM
beemerrider's Avatar
beemerrider beemerrider is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posts: 313
Likes: 42
Liked 43 Times in 21 Posts
Default

I believe the pistol is the Polish "Whambisco-fignut" single-shot semi-auto in 13mm caliber. The holster was made by Roadkill Leather Company of Arkansas. That's a rare and cherished combo.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-15-2012, 11:42 AM
LoboGunLeather's Avatar
LoboGunLeather LoboGunLeather is offline
US Veteran
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7,520
Likes: 19,278
Liked 32,372 Times in 5,476 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by palmettosunshine View Post
When your trigger is exposed you are at risk for a ND. Period. Regardless of whether you're a dope or not....
Anyone with any experience using a Makarov pistol can tell you that accidental discharge in the double-action mode is very unlikely. Every Makarov I've ever used has required at least 25 pounds of pressure on the trigger to fire it. Without a doubt, the heaviest trigger pull I've ever experienced on a DA semi-auto.

Also, the Makarov features an excellent mechanical safety, locking off the trigger completely and a passive firing pin block.

Safety engaged, impossible to fire. Safety disengaged, very difficult to fire.

Despite any faults we may perceive the Makarov pistols are exceptionally well designed and engineered, extremely reliable, easy to operate and maintain, and elegantly simple in construction. Probably one of the safest semi-auto pistols in the hands of one familiar with the piece, and in just about any type of holster.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-15-2012, 12:13 PM
williamlayton's Avatar
williamlayton williamlayton is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Deer Park, Texas
Posts: 3,357
Likes: 1,057
Liked 2,608 Times in 1,104 Posts
Default

BACK to the original thought.
I like His stuff and that IS a pretty rig.
What has the question about pretty heve to do with anything but pretty?
Blessings
__________________
TEXAS, by GOD
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-25-2012, 05:13 PM
gasaman's Avatar
gasaman gasaman is offline
Member
Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig Cool Rig  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: MA & NH
Posts: 1,074
Likes: 2,377
Liked 466 Times in 235 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by beemerrider View Post
I believe the pistol is the Polish "Whambisco-fignut" single-shot semi-auto in 13mm caliber. The holster was made by Roadkill Leather Company of Arkansas. That's a rare and cherished combo.
WOW sounds expensive! Is it a pre-ban?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
One Cool Cat Lee Barner The Lounge 19 01-04-2014 09:52 AM
Cool pic of a cool car, '67 Buick Skylark (Grandma car)... canoeguy The Lounge 11 07-08-2012 03:35 PM
Now, how cool is this? Beemerguy53 The Lounge 7 09-29-2010 11:45 PM
Cool guns, cool holsters ab4ka Concealed Carry & Self Defense 2 01-09-2010 01:52 PM
A Cool Old Guy guntownuncle The Lounge 12 07-03-2009 11:14 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:04 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)