Home Invasion Question

keith44spl · #**451** 04-10-2013, 07:41 PM

[QUOTE=Delos;137151472]

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Originally Posted by keith44spl

Nope, no kin in Boulder. And in my navy days, there were a few were days that I was too intoxicated to remember. But I am sure my ship never tied up at Boulder Colorado.

Well I'll be darn....I thought you were pullin our leg

And joshin' us, like we we're joshin' you back. All in good clean fun.

I never thought for a minute any one could be serious 'bout shooting up his own furniture and

planned on wounding or maiming someone...Gees, not in a million years.

Naw, you just jerkin our chain, ain't ya.

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TexasArmed · #**452** 04-10-2013, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keith44spl

Right there it is again....More Common Sense Advice!

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This has been one of the most enlightening threads in to the
mind and motives of those that would seek to diminish a
citizen's right to life liberty and continued pursuit of happiness.

And those wise cracks about Texans and such.....

I've worked in several different states...All which have similar self protection laws on the books,

Those states also has the death penalty, for capital crimes.

Some of those capital crimes occur during home invasions,

So, in the states I reside in....If the homeowner doesn't deal with them...Eventually the State will.

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Got a photo here someplace....I be lookin for it

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Delos keeps harping on this stuff about the homeowner had not time to turn on the lights and the intruder (drunk girl) being 6 feet away. Guess he never heard the problem in
combat of being the third man on a match. Lights give one's position away to the intruder too.

Stu1205 · #**453** 04-10-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasArmed

Stu your plan works pretty good probably in Florida or Texas, but it assumes a persion has what you have. There are no safe rooms in my 2 bedroom apartment. There is one dead bolted door between me and a criminal outside if he happens to be knocking it down. If he is knocking on the door at 3:00 am I ignore him. If he is taking the door down he goes down with the door. I sleep in front of that dead bolted door, no other way in, no toher way out. I sleep between that door and my daughter in her bedroom, in a reclining chair.

You have safe rooms to use. I do not own my apartment, I rent it. If I bought a home I could not sell it. And I am not moving. I did put in video (cheap walmart cameras). I
will call police after it is over, because if I answer from the living room a criminal could easily shoot into it. I do not give away my location. No I am not worried about having a tape of it. It is not worth the risk to me to get that on tape.

So if you have what you have that may work fine for you but it does not work for me. I do believe strongly though in always keeping my cell phone on me. As for making a call and conducting a gunfight I do not multi task that well. And besides there is not going to be one, unless an intruder actually decides he wants to take the door down.

You are a latecomer to this thread. We been listening for 400 posts now about shotting blanks, warning shots, clapper lights. And we do not shoot to kill nor to wound. But your not going to convince Delos of the validity of that in your post. As for the police locating a safe room they look for an apartment number. Just saying

I agree with you. The solution is not the same for everybody.
All I am saying is that it is easier to defend the door opening
than going to look for the inturder.
In your case with an apartment, the front door would be your
first line of defense.

Stu

Delos · #**454** 04-11-2013, 12:01 AM

I am still taking the side of the drunk college girl.

When on our ships last day in Okinawa, maybe 1961, I met the perfect young lady in a bar. Her smile was precious, her eyes danced like jewels. I do not remember how many drinks I bought her or what we talked about. All that I know was that after a wonderful evening she not only got me a taxi but she got in the taxi with me and got me back to the ship. Then that wonderful gal guided me to the end of the gangplank where my fellow sailors were all staggering aboard.

We left Okinawa that next day and all one can do is occasionally look off the fantail and try to remember.

It took me five more years to find another lady that cared if ever made it back to familiar surroundings. So naturally I married her. Or when I woke up in Vegas she claimed we got married. After all our kids and grandkids I am not going to look back and check if we are really married.

I just know way down deep that someone should have made sure that young lady in Colorado made it home safe.

Karmael · #**455** 04-11-2013, 12:46 AM

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

Kanewpadle · #**456** 04-11-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmael

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

Likely story. Especially the part about police using "throw downs" all the time. I highly suggest editing your post.

You just admitted to be willing to do something illegal and immoral on an open forum. Not too smart.

A10 · #**457** 04-11-2013, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmael

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

Y'all been watchin' too much tv....and I'd highly recommend you don't ever shoot anyone. They will seize your computer, check the places you frequent, find every post you have made (the internet is forever) and send ya up the river. Enjoy that.....

Kanewpadle · #**458** 04-11-2013, 01:22 AM

Jeez, we've gone from wounding your attacker, to firing warning shots and now using throw downs.

No wonder gun haters hate us!!

TexasArmed · #**459** 04-11-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanewpadle

Likely story. Especially the part about police using "throw downs" all the time. I highly suggest editing your post.

You just admitted to be willing to do something illegal and immoral on an open forum. Not too smart.

Just what I thought. But maybe they do that in say Chicago.
What counts is State Law. I like the part about unregistered, untraceable. Isn't NJ the only State that registrations is an issue. There are no registration requirements in Texas. At least for regular handguns.

TexasArmed · #**460** 04-11-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by A10

Y'all been watchin' too much tv....and I'd highly recommend you don't ever shoot anyone. They will seize your computer, check the places you frequent, find every post you have made (the internet is forever) and send ya up the river. Enjoy that.....

Guess that always comes up on Dragnet. Unregistered firearm. Throw downs. We don't send them up river in Texas.
More like Huntsville. But then we don't have to stage a scene
if someone is doing a home invasion on us and the evidence is there. Is that what they do in places where they send them up the river?

mc5aw · #**461** 04-11-2013, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmael

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

Best fourth forum post ever. Spelling is poor, but content is A+. Bravo Sierra on this classic.

TexasArmed · #**462** 04-11-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mc5aw

Best fourth forum post ever. Spelling is poor, but content is A+. Bravo Sierra on this classic.

Just wondering how many secret identities does an anti-gun troll have? Just my opinion. As for myself, I support and agree with the Stand Your Ground Laws, that one new poster disagrees with.

mc5aw · #**463** 04-11-2013, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasArmed

Just wondering how many secret identities does an anti-gun troll have? Just my opinion. As for myself, I support and agree with the Stand Your Ground Laws, that one new poster disagrees with.

Ain't jest one. There's an entire Troll Patrol lurking about.

Delos · #**464** 04-11-2013, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmael

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

Okay you people. I was winning the argument so you guys smuggled in this guy.

Nobody uses throw down guns anymore. DNA from him and his father and old fingerprints probably from some guy that died of old age years ago? Duh?

Or skin cells falling from your dandruff while your gloved hands struggle with putting the new cadaver’s fingerprints on each cartridge and putting them back in the magazine.

If you want to use a drop gun nowadays you must buy a gun from your street corner drug dealer. Preferably wear rubber gloves when you buy it. Boil it in vinegar. Rub liverwurst on it and have your dog lick it off. Take it to the pet store and rub it in some animal cages. When the crime lab reads their report to the jury everyone has a good laugh and they all go home.

And all because someone did not understand the value of a warning shot.

TexasArmed · #**465** 04-11-2013, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Delos

Okay you people. I was winning the argument so you guys smuggled in this guy.

Nobody uses throw down guns anymore. DNA from him and his father and old fingerprints probably from some guy that died of old age years ago? Duh?

Or skin cells falling from your dandruff while your gloved hands struggle with putting the new cadaver’s fingerprints on each cartridge and putting them back in the magazine.

If you want to use a drop gun nowadays you must buy a gun from your street corner drug dealer. Preferably wear rubber gloves when you buy it. Boil it in vinegar. Rub liverwurst on it and have your dog lick it off. Take it to the pet store and rub it in some animal cages. When the crime lab reads their report to the jury everyone has a good laugh and they all go home.

And all because someone did not understand the value of a warning shot.

Might strong language "You People". Lets see besides ambushing, your now accusing us of "smuggling". and I guess
"morticians too" manipulating cadavers.

Just gets "worser and worser", But we think we knows who the culprit is.

cmort666 · #**466** 04-11-2013, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Delos

I am still taking the side of the drunk college girl.

Well yeah. She's not the innocent occupant of the home and you'd take pretty much ANYBODY'S side other than his.

The consistent theme through ALL of your posts has been that when stupid or malicious people engage in stupid or malicious behavior, the VICTIM should assume all of the risks of that behavior.

You don't care if the person standing in the victim's living room is Lyndsey Lohan or Karla Fay Tucker. If the victim has to take one for the team to protect a drunk or a drug addict, that's perfectly alright to you.

cmort666 · #**467** 04-11-2013, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmael

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

ALL my guns are unregistered. Need my contact information so that you can turn me in?

Of course in Ohio, you CAN'T register your guns... unless they're machine guns or short barreled rifles/shotguns... and then only with the BATFE.

You forgot the part where you used "mercury tipped" bullets and filed down the sear to make your .25 a "machine gun".

It's amazing the number of people who learn all of their firearms and self-defense "facts" from Law & Order: SVU...

keith44spl · #**468** 04-11-2013, 08:53 AM

[QUOTE=Delos;137152578]

Okay you people. I was winning.....

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Well, bless yur li'l heart.......As momma would say

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MaximumLawman · #**469** 04-11-2013, 09:15 AM

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my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time.

First, no they don't do it all the time. Second, is a "through down" gun the kind that was already used once?

keith44spl · #**470** 04-11-2013, 09:31 AM

Well Boys,

Here we go again.............

What to do in a Home Invasion?

Know the law(s) pertaining to your jurisdiction of residency or
where ever ya might be at the time of expected invasion.

Seek out and obtaining training in defense of one's self and others, how
the statutes will protect one in using deadly force, in a self protection situation.

Know the law, know when one would not have protection under the law
if one uses deadly force with out cause.

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Now it Story Time,

Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones have a dispute over a trespass issue...

Mr. Smith shoots and wounds Mr. Jones,

Jones dies a few days later from complications of his wounds.

Subsequently Mr. Smith is indited, brought to trial and convicted.

Mr. Smith is diagnosed with cancer and later dies in prison.

I find this truly sad, as both men were in their 70s with fine families.

(Mr. Smith testified that, "He just meant to shot Mr. Jones a lit'l...Not kill him.")

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Originally Posted by Karmael

I liked the wording of your post. I don't agree with some of the "stand your grounf" doctrine. I had to use my gun to defend myself once. Although rare, it does happen. I wounded someone forcing their way in and was glad, in a way, that I did not kill this person. He had a knife and was trying to stab me, so I felt what ever it took to preserve my life was okay. At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time. It would have had the perpetraters finger prints on the magazine and cartridges, not mine. The moral question is, is it right to challenge established law when you know your in the right. Just sayin'

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Hellfire, That's the funnest thing I've read on this here tread.......

Tampering with the evidence or any disturbance of the scene....Is the first thing I look for.

Dang, and he thought he'd fool everyone, like we don't look for that kinda ****!

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OIF2 · #**471** 04-11-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmael

At the time, I also had a 25 caliber gun my father had given me that he had bought in a bar; unregistered, untracible. I was prepared, if the intruder hadn't come at me with a weapon, to stage the scene with the gun my father had given me- a "through down." The police do it all of the time.

"The police do it all the time". Got anything (you know, verifiable incidents?) to back that one up? You just slandered a large group of S&W Forum members, hard-working cops and honorably retired ones, with that statement. Smearing a whole profession isn't related to the issue we're discussing and probably doesn't portend well for your future here as a valued forum member.
Bob

OIF2 · #**472** 04-11-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Delos

Okay you people. I was winning the argument so you guys smuggled in this guy.

Nobody uses throw down guns anymore. DNA from him and his father and old fingerprints probably from some guy that died of old age years ago? Duh?

Or skin cells falling from your dandruff while your gloved hands struggle with putting the new cadaver’s fingerprints on each cartridge and putting them back in the magazine.

If you want to use a drop gun nowadays you must buy a gun from your street corner drug dealer. Preferably wear rubber gloves when you buy it. Boil it in vinegar. Rub liverwurst on it and have your dog lick it off. Take it to the pet store and rub it in some animal cages. When the crime lab reads their report to the jury everyone has a good laugh and they all go home.

And all because someone did not understand the value of a warning shot.

I've enjoyed your posts, Mr Delos/Sirrduke/Whatever. Especially about dreaming of Okinawan prostitutes while standing on the ship fantail in '61, or risking your life while climbing up into the mizzenmast of the carrier to let the topsails down. I imagine that all came from the extra time on your hands up there in the prison guntower. Yeah, you won the argument. I gotta know one thing, though...do you prefer a couch or ceiling POA when using your warning shot technique? Inquiring minds wanna know.
Bob

Protected One · #**473** 04-11-2013, 01:55 PM

"...putting the new cadaver’s fingerprints on each cartridge and putting them back in the magazine."

WHAT?
Why in the world would someone be trying to put the cartridges back in the magazine??? Bwaaaa Hahahaha

Delos · #**474** 04-11-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OIF2

I've enjoyed your posts, Mr Delos/Sirrduke/Whatever. Especially about dreaming of Okinawan prostitutes while standing on the ship fantail in '61, or risking your life while climbing up into the mizzenmast of the carrier to let the topsails down. I imagine that all came from the extra time on your hands up there in the prison guntower. Yeah, you won the argument. I gotta know one thing, though...do you prefer a couch or ceiling POA when using your warning shot technique? Inquiring minds wanna know.
Bob

I have an old cement coal room about 8 foot by 8 foot off to one side of my full cement basement. Basically it is under my driveway and the entrance is below our kitchen sink.

I bet I can put any number of shots through my floor into that old dusty room from half my house. Oops my water pipes come up from there.

The last place I would fire would be in the direction of my chicken coop, or my apple trees.

I will let you know when I figure it all out. How much time to I have? Do I have time to move my bucket of marbles two feet, to in front of my door?

Actually my town has not had any crime for as long as anyone wants to admit. Since everyone up here hunts and shoots no career criminal is fool enough to break down any doors.

Delos · #**475** 04-11-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Protected One

"...putting the new cadaver’s fingerprints on each cartridge and putting them back in the magazine."

WHAT?
Why in the world would someone be trying to put the cartridges back in the magazine??? Bwaaaa Hahahaha

Because that’s where unfired cartridges are normally located. They do not carry them around in their hand. You must roll a nice print on each one and put it back in.

If you are confusing empty fired shells with new cartridges you should never get into any life of crime.

Delos · #**476** 04-11-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OIF2

I've enjoyed your posts, Mr Delos/Sirrduke/Whatever. Especially about dreaming of Okinawan prostitutes while standing on the ship fantail in '61, or risking your life while climbing up into the mizzenmast of the carrier to let the topsails down. I imagine that all came from the extra time on your hands up there in the prison guntower. Yeah, you won the argument. I gotta know one thing, though...do you prefer a couch or ceiling POA when using your warning shot technique? Inquiring minds wanna know.
Bob

I doubt if that fine lady was a prostitute. I think she would have told me.

Nope, no sails on aircraft carriers in modern times. They put the radar and UHF radio antennas really high so they can see and talk over the curve of the earth. At sea level you can only see about 11 miles over ocean. Its a long story. You use low frequency radio to talk long distance, and high frequency to talk to other ships in your battle group. Way to complicated a subject for city slickers.

If you expect an educational reply you must use only my proper handle. Otherwise I will call you an old CB radio word, Rubber Duck perhaps.

ImprovedModel56Fan · #**477** 04-11-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Delos

If you expect an educational reply you must use only my proper handle. Otherwise I will call you an old CB radio word, Rubber Duck perhaps.

Well, surdook, about the last thing that I'm looking for from you is an educational reply, although it is obvious that you have aspirations in that direction. Some of us, however, do appreciate the entertainment when the condescension doesn't interfere.

Please feel free to call me whatever you like, even, heaven forbid, an old CB radio word.

Delos · #**478** 04-11-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Model520Fan

Well, surdook, about the last thing that I'm looking for from you is an educational reply, although it is obvious that you have aspirations in that direction. Some of us, however, do appreciate the entertainment when the condescension doesn't interfere.

Please feel free to call me whatever you like, even, heaven forbid, an old CB radio word.

Do you have a question, or are you just here to call dopy names to stir up nonsense?

ImprovedModel56Fan · #**479** 04-11-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Delos

Do you have a question, or are you just here to call dopy names to stir up nonsense?

Well, now that you mention it, that is my question of you: Do you have a question, or are you just here to stir up nonsense?

Delos · #**480** 04-11-2013, 08:51 PM

Isn’t that fun. One person here makes up a new name for a person and everyone must get into the game.

I pretty much found out what I wanted to find out here.

This site has some really bright gunsmiths.
Some really bright revolver collectors.
Some really good old police and military people.

When it comes to much else, a lot is lacking here. Just people who repeat an extreme version of the laws you like, or like to twist a little.
That psychiatrist in Boulder is a lot smarter than many of you. He did not know for sure so he did not kill the drunk college girl. Fortunately very few of you will ever be in that situation.

Ruger’s single actions went downhill a bit when they added parts to make them allegedly safer. Now Smith & Wesson’s new revolvers suffer from reinventing the firing pin and hanging too many locks on them. But S&W’s semi auto viewing port is much better than rugers long lever that sticks up showing the loaded chamber.

That pretty much leaves me back to watching changes in some Rugers, all Glocks, Beretta’s, Sig, HK and a few others.

Smith & Wesson has some nice new polymer semi-autos. And makes a 1911 with an improved extractor. If that means it can chamber individual cartridges without stressing the extractor it is worth a look.

Nothing left to learn in this kind of discussion group.

cmort666 · #**481** 04-12-2013, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Delos

When it comes to much else, a lot is lacking here.

Gullibility, in particular...

s&wchad · #**482** 04-12-2013, 08:23 AM

I spent nearly an hour checking this thread and didn't come close to reading all the posts. I see that one member replied 107 times. That's got to be a forum record.

Some offered good advice. Others... not so much. No reason to keep beating this dead horse, so we're done here.

In the future, I would ask a number of you to keep the following forum rules and terms in mind when posting:

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