I did several searches here to see what I could find here, and came up with not much, so if this has been discussed extensively already in the past, you'll have to pardon me. I will say that I feel a chemical agent/spray/OC, is an option to consider for a non lethal weapon in the case where it is needed, either along with your EDC, or CCW weapon, or in the case that you can't carry a firearm, i.e. workplace that doesn't allow firearms. Yes, I already know some will say carry a collapsible baton/asp, a kubaton, or even a civilian taser instead. So, let's go with chemical agent/spray/OC as the choice. Which spray/agent do you, or would you carry, and why? I know the LE community can contribute to this topic as most LEO's are issued chemical agents/sprays for duty carry. I have carried Freeze +P as department issued equipment. Also carried Fox Labs 5.3, and Sabre Red doing other private security work. Still have the Sabre Red around for EDC right now.

When she refused to carry a gun, I gave momma some fox pepper spray.... I wish she would take it out of her purse every so often, but its nice to know she has it if needed....

I'm just an average guy that already carries too much. So instead of pepper spray I carry a second gun. My pockets and belt line are maxed out.

If a stern look and verbal command don't work, it's their fault is they get shot.

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I've often wondered if a non-lethal weapon might be a better choice for EDC than a gun. After all, the goal is to defend yourself by stopping the attacker(s), not to kill someone. It's fine and dandy to say "it's their fault if they get shot", but if Mr Zimmerman had defended himself with pepper spray, mace, or a stun gun he would have been spared quite an ordeal in court. And I don't know about you, but I have no desire to kill anyone and I'm sure that if I had to do so I would carry that burden around for a long time.
I don't know which non-lethal weapons are effective and which are not, but I've seen some chemical sprays that shoot quite a stream and can really reach out and touch someone.
Something like that is sure an option worth considering.

Biggest problem with commercial grade pepper sprays is 1) it isn't strong enough. And, 2) the containers are too small, don't carry enough product. Check the size of containers the police use compared to what most citizens carry. When you're talking close proximity, which you are with spray, you'd better have enough quantity and quality to get it done. Otherwise, you'll just anger Mr. Bad Guy more than he already is.

The company I work for issues Fox Labs so that would be my choice

I have been carrying chemical spray for many years to augment my carry items for non lethal force. The one I use and recommend is the Kimber pepper blaster. It is the most powerful, most advance pepper defense on the planet and will disable the attacker up to .45 minutes. Three times more effective as the most popular spray because it is not a spray but a pepper solution itself and is the most powerful longer version on the market. Because it is not pressurtized like an aerosal spray, there is no way it can lose pressure over time. It has a three year shelf like, longer than aerosal sprays. Two highly concentrated pepper solution charges give you a second shot.

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I agree and was going to post a similar response. It also has a dye in it, so there's no denying who got sprayed. There's a point in force progression where the gun's not appropriate and I've been in enough fights to not need anymore. I'll do it if I have to, but who wants to past the age of 25? A Pepper Blaster goes on my CCW belt as well.

Nice thing about those sprays (sarcasm) is that they are equal opportunity. A breeze can just as easily disable you as if can the badguy. I used to work security where we were issued pepper spray. Seen that happen many times. At best both the aggressor and defender got a healthy dose!

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The Kimber Pepper Blaster is not your mothers pepper spray, it shoots a stream at 90 mph. Other than using it in a high wind storm, wind is not an issue. If you use it in high wind, you get what you deserve. I do agree with you on the average pepper spray though, it can get you too.

As far as chemical agents go I keep a Fox 5.3 4 oz flip top and two 2 oz grenades in the night stand. If the BG's are dumb enough to run the 30' hallway leading to my bedroom that is now filled with a mist of Fox 5.3 they will find a few other surprises waiting on them.

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I don't carry any chemical spray either.

I carry extra ammunition. Since I don't wear Batman's utility belt, chemical spray would mean no extra ammunition.

I have ZERO desire to "apprehend" people.

I don't hang around with stupid, violent people or go where they congregate.

If I tell you to go away, you're highly advised to heed that warning.

...OR the legal "ordeal" would have been Trayvon Martin's after blinding, crippling or killing Zimmerman.

My goal is NOT to avoid killing somebody.

My goal is to avoid somebody maiming or killing ME.

If I can do that without using deadly force, I will.

At NO time will I risk great bodily harm or death to myself merely to avoid using deadly force.

If I shoot you it's because you made it clear in no uncertain terms that you were doing something to me that was so important to curtail that your possible death was the better outcome than your continuing.

Don't want to get shot? Don't do things which a reasonable person would feel justify shooting you.

And I think people forget that we also carry guns for four legged predators. I don't trust pepper spray to work on dogs and it's difficult enough to hit and stop them with bullets. And a stern look ain't gonna work with a dog.

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instead of ..... nah .. if I did it would be spray and a gun with the priority leaning upon the gun.
a tazer would have complicated Zimmermans problem as his assailant was in physical contact with him and spray ... depends upon the wind ... I wouldn't want the wind blowing that cloud of agony coming back at me .. and from time to time, it does. It may or may not have worked anyhow as little is known of any toxicology reports in the matter even if the winds favored him.
Odds are, a good grade of spray could have saved us a lot of locked threads. but still I'd much prefer the either or option of having both

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I think it would be morally acceptable and legally defendable to use a non-lethal weapon in a threatening situation before it got to the point where a lethal response was justified-- in other words, before you were in fear for your life. But I must admit that I carry a gun and not pepper spray or whatever.

I personally am not concerned about MORALS. If the bad guys had any, we wouldn't be discussing this. My only concern is going home to my family unharmed. And I will do whatever it takes to do so. So morals, rules, and mercy go out the window if THEY force my hand.

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I also carry a 2oz flip-top Fox Labs spray in my EDC bag where a pistol should go. Having it gives me another option. In a bad situation, options are always good to have.

I chose Fox Labs after hearing from some LEOs that have been sprayed with it. One guy said he'd rather be shot in the face that be sprayed with the stuff again. Works for me!

Well, folks, my intent was to have members contribute to show what they carry if they do, and why that particular brand of chemical agent. If you don't think it's relevant to carry a less than lethal option for a weapon, then I'm happy for ya. I was not intending to debate on whether it's yes or no, regarding your choice to carry a can of spray, gel, foam, or whatever. A chemical agent/spray is not intended to take the place of a sidearm, if a sidearm can be legally carried. Thanks for the recommendation on the Kimber Pepper Blaster. I do carry an ASP Street Defender concealed most all of the time, and carry the Sabre Red on occasion.