This is about single stack and double stack guns with safetys.
I always liked thin single stack guns because I don't mind carrying them on me because they are so slim and I can't feel them. But than I noticed that a single stack with a holster is as thick as a double stack gun with just a belt clip mounted on it. I think I want to go in that direction and get a double stack with a belt clip attached to the slide, but than I heard that it's wise to carry that set up with one OUT of the chamber because nothing is covering the trigger. If that's true, would it better to have a gun with a safety and keep one in the chamber so it's faster to activate the gun? Isn't it? Isn't faster to activate a thumb safety than to cock the gun? Or am I wrong? I think having a thumb safety is the best way to carry for ME, what do you guys think?

And here is the second part to the question:
(this part is if you AGREE that I should get a gun with a double stack with a safety)
What do you guys recommend for a DOUBLE STACK GUN, RELIABLE, COMPACT, WITH A THUMB SAFETY, AND ACCEPTS A RELIABLE 33 ROUND MAGAZINE (33 rd mag will not be for daily carry, it's for when I use it in a SHTF scenario. (I was thinking of the M&P Compact, but I don't like the ambi safety, it's too pertruding)

M&P compact has a model with a safety, and is 33 round mag compatible, and it's compact. Everything I want, but I hate the ambi safety. Maybe I dremmel off the other sides safety? Or cut it off some how? Can I do that with a saw?

I was thinking of the SR9C because it has such a nice trigger, but it doesn't have a 33 round mag at all. I've heard somebody makes one, but I can't find videos of one or find one anywhere.

The Springfield makes a service model XD that has a safety and that has a 33 round mag, but it's not compact..

Those are the only manufacturers that I really looked into, Ruger, Springfield, and Smith & Wesson M&P Series..

Anybody have any information on any other guns that fit my criteria I definitely haven't checked all of them.

I always use a holster, period.

The S&W 6906 is a fabulous double stack 9mm with a decocker.

Forget the 33 round magazine. If you want to be prepared for when the SHTF, get a shotgun and a rifle.

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A single stack is more than enough for the average Joe to CC IMO.
If you find yourself in a SD situation that 7-9 rounds cant solve your in deep dodo anyway.
Just my 02 but I feel perfectly content carrying my 40 shield with 7 rds as a civilian. I try to be aware enough to avoid potential trouble anyway.

I got an ak47 and 700 rounds saved up. I want to arm 2 people so I want a pistol 33 round mag, and an ak47. I want the pistol with a 33 mag for my bug out bag, it's light weight and in 9mm the ammo weight is manageable.
I know what I want, just finding is going to be tough.
Oh and I wouldn't use a shotgun because ammo is too large (not heavy but large) and will fill up my bob too fast. Lol.

I have a shield right now, tho I love it I found out that in a gun fight 80% shots miss the target!!! So I was thinking getting rid of it and getting a double stack with an extra 4 bullets wouldn't be the worse thing in the world, especially considering that without a holster and belt clipped to my side it will be the same thickness as a single stack with a holster. It's a 4 round advantage, and a 33 round capable advantage.

Holster. Get pants one size larger. The art many guns that have 33 round mags. Glocks, Sig has 20 but not for all models and not all have safeties. No safeties on Glocks. That's really about it. I think there are 20 round mags for the S&W 5606/6906 but most are made by Pro Mag and are of poor quality.

I carry a G19 and buy pants one size larger. Problem solved

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That 6906 has a safety, and 30 round compatable!!! Wish it wasn't a full metal frame gun tho. For a range gun I'd love all that steel but for conceal carry it's too heavy, too bulky, wish it was polymer.. Thanks I might consider that gun!
Anyone else?

That is a good point I suppose, but having a large bulky gun and a large bulky holster is going to make it no longer very concealable. I've had that setup before with a XDM which is the same size, and it showed on me, badly. I want my gun to be in complete incognito, and that can be done with a double stack if it's holsterless with a safety. The reason I want to conceal it completely because I realise guns will be banned, and I am NOT giving up my gun so I need it to conceal.

What kind of holster were you using? My IWB holsters are kydex/leather and are a fraction of an inch thick. There is almost no thickness to them. Guns CANNOT be complete incognito for what you want. Guns are COMFORTING not COMFORTABLE.

I am 180lbs and 6 ft tall. Skinny. I wear form fitting clotheths and conceal carry full size handguns. It's all about the gear.

Quality holster. ...one that has far spread clips to help spread the weight and blur the profile of the gun.

A real gun belt. Not any belt but a thick gun belt. It helps hold the gun and also spreads out the profile.

Yes it's money but it works. That clip carry is an accident waiting to happen and again, there are no double stack compact semi autos with safeties that take 33 round mags. And honestly those things are more for carbines and machine pistols. Try running a combat course with a handgun and a 33 round mag! It will get in the way. You will be bumping it against everything. Unless you just plan to do static shooting. There is a reason that no one, not one police dpt or military unit uses the 33 round mags. Aside from what I mentioned they are useless Do yourself a favor. Get a lot of regular quality mags and practice reloading. That will pay off better in the long run.

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Thousands do carry the 6906 even being metal. I could weigh the difference if you'd like, it won't be much. The 6906 has an alloy frame, not steel.

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What he want doesn't exist.

It's like saying I want a Ferrari with 4x4, under $15k, that's good on gas and has cheap insurance

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This is either a very inexperienced shooter or a troll. Based on the responses, I'm voting for the latter. This sounds exactly like the original mall ninja.

So, you've "read" that 80% of self defense shots miss? Did you also learn that 99% of those who carry a gun for self defense never practice?

Listen, 33 round pistol mags are toys and none are reliable enough to rely on for serious defense. Forget the high capacity **** and learn to make your shots count.

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You are way over thinking (obsessing) the gun requirements of self
defense. The best solution to your dilemma probably would be to get
some good training.

A gun clip is not a good idea with a loaded chamber.
An unloaded chamber is not a good idea when you really need to shoot in a hurry.
An un-holstered firearm is one ingredient in a recipe for disaster.
Capacity is over-rated for nearly everyone who's not engaging BGs or expects to engage multiple BGs at any moment on a regular basis (such as LEOs). SD situations where more than a few rounds or second mags are needed are a rarity.

I am not preparing for a fire fight, I want to protect my self from a bad guy or two.

I carry a J-frame with 5 rounds of 38 +p and do not feel under armed. If it's going to take more than 5 I'm probably screwed anyway and more ammo is not going to help.

I'm going along with the troll theory myself. The reason 80% of shots miss is because 80% of people can't shoot. If you're not a troll then you need to forget all the Hollywood nonsense and get a dependable firearm and practice with it until AT LEAST 80% of your rounds are dead on target.

Ouch, guys, I'm not feeling the troll aspect of this thread.

Very inexperienced, but I think open to ideas. Nothing wrong with that and we are here to help.

Remember it wasn't but a few years ago that I came on here telling all y'all that if you didn't have a .357 you weren't carrying a real gun!!!

You were pretty easy on me then, let's see if this new guy is for real and help where we can!

But really OP, 33 round magazines are toys as Rastoff said... I'd much rather carry a couple of 17 rounds factory mage that I know are drop dead dependable.

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No not a troll. Again, this 30 round mag IS for situations where I need to engage 3 or more targets at once. (I anticipate the economy collapsing and looters) Again, the 30 round mag is NOT for daily carry. I want a gun I can carry on my hip, and in a bug out situation I grab my 30 round mag and I am ready to go. I want EVERYTHING to fit in my backpack I can't use an AK47 because they are too heavy, it has to be an extra mag or maybe an extra pistol or carbine. I suppose I can go with a carbine, but again, that's extra weight I think it's better to avoid the second gun and just have a mag and eliminate that extra weight and use that weight for something more useful, like ammo. Yes I am a prepper, not a troll. Not crazy, I got everything planned out in my head. Just looking for a good double stack pistol, that's compact, 30 round capable. (now I am considering just having a reliable standard 17 round mag).

I kinda know what I want so sorry it's kind of weird someone being so SURE on what they want, I am also SURE that gun exists, it has to. Anyways, thanks for you're time and the guy who commented before this post, THANK YOU FOR NOT CALLING ME A TROLL! Lol.

Ok, first off I’m going to guess that SHTF threads are off topic in these parts.

Having said that I’m going to point out that an AK is an infantry weapon which means it was designed to be carried by people who moved on their feet.

If carrying an AK is too much for you, you need to work on your fitness before you worry about getting a different gun.

And the last thing I’m going to ask is why you would come to a brand specific forum for a brand of handgun for which (to my knowledge) no 30 round magazines even exist and ask your question.

Enquiring minds want to know

If I needed that much fire power I'd carry a rifle or shotgun. Personally, the need to engage multiple targets seems quite slim.

If I was set on a hand gun I'd rather carry 2 or 3 15 round mags than a single 30. More reliable and the long mag sticking out of the bottom is likely to get in the way.

If I was likely to engage several targets I'd be in body armor, helmet, and have a rifle.

Rule#1- this isn't the movies. You're not Jason Bourne.

Rule#2- a side arm is a means of escape. It's not something you use to charge into battle, it's something you use to make someone quit attacking you so you can stay alive. You need to think escape instead of attack.

Any other rule falls into debated opinions, and you work those out yourself. Don't debate single stack verses double stack magazines. Do debate the actual guns. What advantages does an m&p 9mm have over a 1911?

Lastly, but most importantly, never pick a fight with a guy you have to shoot more than 15 times. You're probably not going to win that one.

the original point and click interface, by Smith and Wesson

Not a troll? OK, I'll go with inexperienced youth. There have been several here that have given you some very good advice and yet you choose to brush them off.

I'll say it again, there aren't any 33 round pistol mags that are reliable enough for what you describe. You are much better off with 2 15 round mags. The weight difference is insignificant. Especially when you consider the advantages in reliability and maneuverability with a regular mag.

You will not see a single professional with one, civilian or military.

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I think the solution to your quest is to take a lesson from
history. The bad boys of the 20s and 30s knew how important
it was to be able to grab and go quickly in order to be able
to handle any SHTF situation. The simple answer was a
Thompson SMG in a violin case. Completely concealed, lots
of firepower. Should work as well today as it did back then.

... (I anticipate the economy collapsing and looters)

So you stop a looter. You'll have a wounded individual or a body then what? I suggest you'll have more attention either from an investigation, angry friends or relatives, and others who might take advantage of you being "detained". If the economy goes bad to the extent that people will loot to stay alive I suspect it won't affect just one BG and you'll be drawing attention to yourself. I'm in a state where you can't shoot someone unless you fear great bodily harm, death or rape. If the "SHTF" I would suggest a different plan then shooting looters, assuming they are stealing your stuff as opposed to immediately endangering your life, although both could happen. Security is more then having a gun - its having a complete plan of action, IMO.

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Dude I can run with an AK47. But I don't want to carry 7 pound ak47 on me when I got a 50 pound bug out bag on my back.

Why this forum? Because Smith & Wesson is a good gun company and whoever likes Smith & Wesson probably knows guns

That's the most bad *** thing I have ever heard.

You might be better off posting this question on a prepper blog. In terms of your original question, there are quality leather crafters who make IWBs that are designed in innovative fashions so that they do not print, or print as little as possible, even with most full size pistols.

I have stocked food and water. If someone is looting me they are not after my equipment they are after my food and water, they are not only endangering me but my family because they are going to leave us to starve. I will not tolerate that. But yes you're right I need to prepare for all things, but having the correct equipment wouldn't hurt.
I think I'll go with a double stack that can accept 17 round mags because that's going to be a much better shtf gun than my 7 round shield. Thank you guys for you're advice on the mag thing, I AGREE with you.

As far as still wanting a Double Stack, Compact, Gun with a safety so I can attatch a belt clip on it to make it more concealable is something I still want though. I don't want to have to put on a belt, equip a gun holster, get the propper clothing in order to carry my firearm. I want it to have a clip on it, attatch it, and move on. So if someone can help me still find that gun, but this time we won't worry about the 30 round mag thing. So again I am looking for a compact gun, double stack, with a safety. I guess people here would suggest the S&W compact? Which is something I AM considering. But I heard the trigger is garbage compared to the Shields, is that true? I want a gun with a nice trigger and a very nice reset. Did the S&W ever replace the trigger on the Compact with the Shields trigger? Because if they have, that would be perfect..

The trigger is different, not garbage. One is a striker fired, the other is a traditional double action/single action.

Here's the thing.....that gun still doesn't exist. Most light weight guns are polymer and are striker fired and don't have safeties. Most hammer fired guns have safeties but are steel/aluminum.

So here are your options. I don't know if a belt clip is sold for these or not.

-CZ 75 compact, aluminum frame. Come in several options. Decocker, or cocked and locked like a 1911.

-some HKs. P2000sk. Maybe a few others. Again, many options from a standard safety to a 1911 style carry. An HK is gonna cost you.

-M&Pc. Some have a 1911 style safety.

Remember this. With any gun with a safety lever .....If that safety lever is rubbing against your pants or your skin it will inevitably disengage. You move and your pants move. You brush up against stuff, sometimes without notice. You will disengage. It's not an IF but a WHEN. Good holsters arnt just a bag to hold a gun it's a safe way to carry a weapon.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying the gun doesn't exist. The SR9C is that gun, and I am considering that one.. Nice trigger, compact, 17 round compatable, thumb safety, I can dremmel the bullet in the chamber indicator to make it less pertrusive. And get a clip for it, they make a universal belt clip that attatches to the slide to ANY guns. I think it's called ClipDraw. I am considering that, but from what I heard that trigger is a HAIR trigger, way easier to pull than any GLOCK or 1911. So if I do go that route I need to make sure that safety does not come unengaged or I can say bye to my right leg and knee cap. Lol. But I may be over thinking it, the safety on Rugers is usually really positive much harder to engage and disengage compared to the M&P shields. I think I may go that route. Anyone have any other suggestions? Do you guys think that fits the bill or do you guys still think I should just get looser fitting clother, a nicer holster and belt? I am open to ideas, you guys gave me some really good advice so far, I am happy I am over that 30 round mag thing, thanks for the advice given so far.

Hair trigger on s Ruger? No. It's a striker fired gun. The lightest trigger on a factory gun will be on a 1911.

For SD I don't consider a Ruger semi auto.



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Pearljamfan,

Ok, assuming you aren’t trolling us the first thing you need to do is decide what, exactly, you’re “prepping” for.

On the one hand you’re talking about bugging out and on the other you’re talking about defending your home and food stash. You can't do both at once.

Even the infantry (Who have a basic load out around 100 pounds BTW) gets resupply every so often and even they don’t live in the field indefinitely. If you are planning to “bug out” you are probably better off with a .357 or .44 rifle/pistol combination and even then you aren’t going to carry enough ammunition for the rest of your life (or maybe you will depending on who finds you first).

If you’re “bugging in” your best bet is to stay as far below the radar as you possibly can and not draw attention to yourself by engaging looters in firefights.

Before you start worrying about any of that though I suggest you take an NRA certified basic firearms safety course followed by an NRA certified basic pistol course.

Lay a good foundation first and then worry about living out your Red Dawn fantasies.

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you aren't a troll. Get a good holster. I can make a Glock21 disappear when carried IWB.

If you are a troll by posting on the internet the Gov can track your IP they now know where you live. And will be by to collect your guns when they ban them.

I'm kinda new here, what do you consider a troll? Is there a definition for one?
Thanks.

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Generally a troll is someone who joins a given forum with the specific intent of disrupting the forum.

An example would be a devout memeber of Momsdemandaction joining here and immediately posting pro gun control opinions

We're supposed to get 2" of snow on Christmas Day.

WOLVEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS!

I do believe the OP is legit. Just needs guidance.

I understand you are a prepper, but you need to follow those who give advice you can trust.

Many of us have explained that out-of-holster carry is semi-insane. You have to trust us on that one. We carry every day in every situation and we know what works and what doesn't.

We have military and police on the forum, as well as weapons experts and trainers. This isn't a forum of wannabe teenagers, you are in good hands here, just trust what you will learn...

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I seriously don't see how you guys think I am a troll.. I came here asking what gun fits a very tight criteria, it's not I came on here not knowing what I wanted. Also, how am I even comparable to MomsDemandsChange, I am not preeching gun control or anything like that, lol. I am not doing ANYTHING trollish at all. I hate trolls. I am just a dumbass who is hella specific on what he wants. I have to buy new pants, so I'll probably end up getting a holster, or I might get that Ruger. I don't know. But I got the information I need. If you guys still have some suggestions on what fits what I want, feel free to tell me.

And as far as bugging out, what I want is something that is ALL things. Surburban AND bugging out if ever needed.

I am thinking about getting a 80 liter backpack, and live the surbuban life after the economy collapses, with a 22 pellet gun (I can see why this sounds like I am trolling) and eat birds if food is not accessible) I will purify water by boiling it. And when that DOESN'T work anymore, that's when I will bug out deep in the middle of nowhere. I live in Arizona, so I will probably head to Washington or Organ, somewhere living in the forest is possible. But in the meanwhile, my bug out bag is being designed for urban setting and holding down a location that has stocked food and water. And since I will have a tent, a 22 air gun, sleeping gear the transition to a forest to live is already set up if needed. So both types of survival bags are already set up. Weights a BIG issue, and that's why I want to get rid of the need for a rifle at all costs. I am not PLANNING on getting into a firefight. If I were, I would have a rifle prepped, but since I am not planning on that, and believe a pistol with a large mag is all I need.

You need to stop and take a deep breath dude. The very fact that so many people take you for a troll should give you a pretty good idea of how outlandish your question is.

As lost lake has pointed out there are quite a few people on this forum who carry arms as part of their profession. Some have been to the two way range and are willing to share their experience here with regard to what works and more importantly what doesn’t and what I’m hearing people here tell you is your idea doesn’t.

I’m going to tell you again you need to go back and work on your basics then you worry about fighting WWIII

So you are asking for something that doesn't exist.



Take your bug out bag and head for the woods live out of it and it alone for a week then get back with us.

So can we


If you make it out of your town I'll be amazed.


No plan survives contact with the enemy.

You need some training if for no other reason than to give you an ideaof how much you don't know

I've owned over 15+ guns, I've had training, I've shot at least 5k rounds down range. I know it's not that much, but it's more than you guys are giving me credit for. And I HAVE went camping 2 weeks before, did a lot of fishing and ate off the land mostly. Barely brought any food at all. I am not a newbie to any of these things were discussing..

Actually a week and a half.. But still!

I'm bowing out of this... I really don't understand the animosity this poor fella is receiving.

I say good luck to you PearlJamFan, and hats off for at least trying to seek good advice and formulate a workable plan.

I hope you don't give up on the forum, these people really are good people, some are just grouchy right now....

Merry Christmas!!!

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Really if you look at the answers you have recieved you have the solution. Think about them and good luck.
A tour in the Army or other branch would make carrying a 7# rifle and 50# pack seem pretty easy. Thousands have done it.
Have a Happy New Year.

I always use a holster, period.

Pearljamfan, I'm not as experienced as most of the others, but I do agree on a very good quality holster and firearm that fits your person, I will be carrying a 1076 when I'm done working on it and field testing to fully know how it will work. Carry 2 extra mags if you like, 30 rounds you can carry an FN, tad bulky. reliability is key

By the way where can I find a Hogue style grip for a 1076??