Does anyone know if the Toby Keith chain has a ban on firearms (if there was a sign on the door I missed it)? One recently opened close to us so my wife & I decided to try it. Anyhow the food was awful, the service was just okay but the young lady servers were very attractive & dressed to attract lots beer sales. I am told their live music is very good but the place looks like trouble (I'm all done breaking up bar fights) so I'll stay away.
Toby Keith Restaurant Gun Ban??
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Hodgin
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Never seen one around here. I wonder if a ban in some might be related to sales of alcohol. Not sure what the percentage is, but I believe TN prohibits firearms in establishments where alcohol sales exceed a certain percent of retail sales.
Correction: Looked it up and the TN law has changed to where firearms are allowed in any place serving alcohol.
A business must post No Guns if it doesn't want firearms. This is a fairly recent change in the TN law.
Correction: Looked it up and the TN law has changed to where firearms are allowed in any place serving alcohol.
A business must post No Guns if it doesn't want firearms. This is a fairly recent change in the TN law.
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dlcra
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The "reasons" for the gun ban at the TK in VA referenced insurance considerations. Whatever amount of premium dollars that sign's existence has saved that restaurant would/could be wiped out in one weekends worth of lost business. So, I trust that many of our VA brethren will "vote with their feet" effectively boycotting TK's. Anyone want to wager how quickly that sign comes down?
ArtyGuy
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I went to the one here in Woodbridge, VA. I did not see any sign banning guns. For the photo that's been used in the story, I assume that sign is on the front door, which I used to get in. I don't know how I would have missed it but maybe I did?? I did, however, see a sign posted banning the wear of club colors- targeting motorcycle clubs.
TexasArmed
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I would vote with my feet too, that being said I have some of TK's music cd's. I won't buy another till the issue is cleared up regarding the no gun sign. I saw on another site on a search some time back where someone said TK carried a permit. Are we sure the sign applies to permit holders at this restaurant?
A gun buster sign does not apply to permit holders in Texas. When I saw this post the first thing I thought about is that music video of TK and some other country singers trapping that criminal (and they were using guns) in Beer for my Horses.
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This (carrying a gun into a bar) must be dependent on location and social customs. In all my years of dealing with people in bars I've never come across anyone cc or oc. And about 1/2 my states population owns a gun. I believe this is for 2 reasons. First, people ask why would I need a gun? If you can't deal with others w/o a gun perhaps you shouldn't be here in the first place. Second, everyone realizes what guns can do, what they are designed for, and understand that alcohol and guns don't mix. Frankly I believe anyone who carries a gun into a bar, where people tend to heavily imbibe, is asking for trouble. And if they are also drinking that compounds the problem. Even in Tombstone Wyatt Earp banned guns in bars, doesn't that tell us something? Alcohol and guns don't mix, period.
I don't know if the TK's in Okla City is posted or not. I think there's a TK's inside the Hard Rock in Tulsa but its also an indian casino so no guns allowed there. I've never been as the reports I've heard was that the food wasn't very good and was over priced. And since I go out to eat more for the food than the atmosphere, I've not made it but if his places are posted, that's the clincher. I'll go to McD's before TK's.
Uh, oh; here we go again! 
I carry in bars quite regularly and have been doing so ever since I began carrying a gun...some 38 1/2 years ago. NEVER ONCE WAS I "ASKING FOR TROUBLE."
Never once has a gun caused any complication whatsoever. That's a fact. Perhaps I am unlike some others in that I don't think, act, or react any differently whilst CCW. And I carry completely concealed...always.
Be safe.
I carry in bars quite regularly and have been doing so ever since I began carrying a gun...some 38 1/2 years ago. NEVER ONCE WAS I "ASKING FOR TROUBLE."
Never once has a gun caused any complication whatsoever. That's a fact. Perhaps I am unlike some others in that I don't think, act, or react any differently whilst CCW. And I carry completely concealed...always.
Be safe.
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That's a wager I wouldn't take. No matter what side of the coin, the "vote with your feet" concept never works, with ANY ideology, except to exercise one's own personal beliefs. Which is exactly what it should do. It never works to "convert the other side". The restaurant is betting on playing to a demographic that either doesn't care or doesn't know if there's a no gun sign. They're selling chicken sandwiches, not political beliefs.
Eating lunch is not a demonstration of anyone's constitutional rights. Neither should CCW be a demonstration. Carry to make yourself feel safe, NOT to demonstrate your political beliefs. If you don't feel safe going into a TK restaurant (or any other place) then simply don't go there.
We exercise common sense all the time (we should) about not going into certain environments because they don't seem safe. Trying to "convert" a restaurant is a pointless exercise. About as pointless as trying to "convert" a dark alley or a crack house.
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Uh, oh; here we go again!
I carry in bars quite regularly and have been doing so ever since I began carrying a gun...some 38 1/2 years ago. NEVER ONCE WAS I "ASKING FOR TROUBLE."
Never once has a gun caused any complication whatsoever. That's a fact. Perhaps I am unlike some others in that I don't think, act, or react any differently whilst CCW. And I carry completely concealed...always.
Be safe.
I'm making the assumption that while in a bar you have at least something alcoholic to drink. The issue for me is this. If, while cc, I found it necessary to defend myself with deadly force I want my mind totally clear because I've got life and death decisions to make and little time to make them. And when the LEO asks "Have you had anything to drink" I want to say no, not "just 2 beers" (where have I heard that before?). You can mix alcohol with guns if you want but I'll continue to disagree with that decision, no matter where you are or what you are doing.
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shouldazagged
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It's amazing, and scary, how many people draw that distinction. I ran into it all the time in many years of treating alcoholics and addicts.
The problem is the assumption that all CCW people drink and will drink when there. I don't drink, most of my friends don't drink, most have CCW's. If we can't profile certain types of people in this country, why is it OK to assume all CCW holders are not responsible enough to obey the law?
Just asking.
Just asking.
TexasArmed
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I do not drink alcohol myself. But in Texas if its a restaurant bar with a 51 % sign its off limits to a CHL holder. If its a restaurant that serves some alcohol a CHL holder is okay to go there, but if the CHL holder is stopped by law enforcement, any amount of alcohol would likely be a problem for the chl holder.
But some states put bars totally off limits and some allow permit holders. I would prefer to be in a restaurant that did not serve alcohol at all, since someone around me who is drinking might become a problem.
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manyguns
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As a civilian it would seem that if you plan to drink any alcohol you would not carry. Anyone causing a problem with you that attracts the attention of law enforcement would lead to a difficult conversation. You could be completely innocent concerning the bar problem but if found to have a firearm while having consumed alcohol will get you in trouble in most states.
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I want to 'try' to clarify one thing re:Virginia. There are no 'bars' in Virginia. There are restaurants that serve alcohol. There may be a bar area in that restaurant but they would not get an ABC license if the majority of their sales were not from food.
I want to 'try' to clarify one thing re:Virginia. There are no 'bars' in Virginia. There are restaurants that serve alcohol. There may be a bar area in that restaurant but they would not get an ABC license if the majority of their sales were not from food.
I have carried in all fifty (50) of the United States and, yes, I likely have consumed a beer or two (2 
) whilst doing so. Have never had a personal "bar problem" (have solved a few, for sure) and have never gotten "in trouble" whilst CCW and having a few beers.
If you are stipulating irresponsible people should not consume and carry, I wholly agree.
Let the record reflect I have lived primarily in Massachusetts, New York, and Maryland; none of those states ban alcohol whilst CCW.
Be safe.
) whilst doing so. Have never had a personal "bar problem" (have solved a few, for sure) and have never gotten "in trouble" whilst CCW and having a few beers.If you are stipulating irresponsible people should not consume and carry, I wholly agree.
Let the record reflect I have lived primarily in Massachusetts, New York, and Maryland; none of those states ban alcohol whilst CCW.
Be safe.
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