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Old 01-05-2014, 11:47 PM
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I won't give the details, but for all those with their CWP, don't drink alcohol, smoke marijuana or have marijuana on your person while you're carrying your weapon. The consequences are loss of your right to EVER own a firearm again, and loss of your freedom for a few years, as "Weapons Under Disability" is a felony.

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It troubles me that a violation of a state or local statute can result in the forfeiture of ones constitutional RIGHTS. I don't particularly like felons, but stripping any person of their protections under the Bill of Rights just seems downright un-American.
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I won't give the details, but for all those with their CWP, don't drink alcohol, smoke marijuana or have marijuana on your person while you're carrying your weapon. The consequences are loss of your right to EVER own a firearm again, and loss of your freedom for a few years, as "Weapons Under Disability" is a felony.

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Yet, if you drive drunk its a misdemeanor and you can get your drivers license back, sometimes right away. I don't support carrying while drunk or stoned, but, who is killing the most people??? DWI should be worse.
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I won't give the details, but for all those with their CWP, don't drink alcohol... while you're carrying your weapon. The consequences are loss of your right to EVER own a firearm again, and loss of your freedom for a few years, as "Weapons Under Disability" is a felony.
Just addressing the alcohol part of your post, I don't know about other states but in Missouri it is perfectly legal to drink alcohol while carrying. For people who do not have have alcohol problems, I see nothing wrong with enjoying a drink while armed. They have as much right and need for self-defense as anyone else. Of course, the gun should be put away if they're going to get drunk.
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Here in Louisiana just within the last week or so. A man was arrested for his 12th DWI (over a 10yr period). The kicker to this is that he had a valid drivers license each time.

I guess they feel operating a vehicle under the influence isnt that bad after all.
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Earlier this week here in Nevada a Nye County Sheriffs sergeant was arrested for allegedly stealing prescription drugs from evidence and from people while responding to calls. When he was arrested he was under the influence and among other charges he was charged with possession of a firearm by a prohibited person because he had his duty weapon on him and a shotgun in the car he was driving. A sad story of addiction to be sure, but if a police officer is being charged for carrying while under the influence you can be sure that a civilian will be!
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Earlier this week here in Nevada a Nye County Sheriffs sergeant was arrested for allegedly stealing prescription drugs from evidence and from people while responding to calls. When he was arrested he was under the influence and among other charges he was charged with possession of a firearm by a prohibited person because he had his duty weapon on him and a shotgun in the car he was driving. A sad story of addiction to be sure, but if a police officer is being charged for carrying while under the influence you can be sure that a civilian will be!
You have to be seriously "under the influence" here in Nevada to be in violation under the provisions of the NRS (which I have quoted below). I hope they hooked him up for DUI too as he would have had to have been in violation of the drunk/intoxicated driving law to be charged for carrying while under the influence.

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NRS: CHAPTER 202 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY

NRS 202.257  Possession of firearm when under influence of alcohol, controlled substance or other intoxicating substance; administration of evidentiary test; penalty; forfeiture of firearm.

1.  It is unlawful for a person who:

(a) Has a concentration of alcohol of 0.10 or more in his or her blood or breath; or

(b) Is under the influence of any controlled substance, or is under the combined influence of intoxicating liquor and a controlled substance, or any person who inhales, ingests, applies or otherwise uses any chemical, poison or organic solvent, or any compound or combination of any of these, to a degree which renders him or her incapable of safely exercising actual physical control of a firearm, to have in his or her actual physical possession any firearm.

This prohibition does not apply to the actual physical possession of a firearm by a person who was within the person’s personal residence and had the firearm in his or her possession solely for self-defense.

2.  Any evidentiary test to determine whether a person has violated the provisions of subsection 1 must be administered in the same manner as an evidentiary test that is administered pursuant to NRS 484C.160 to 484C.250, inclusive, except that submission to the evidentiary test is required of any person who is directed by a police officer to submit to the test. If a person to be tested fails to submit to a required test as directed by a police officer, the officer may direct that reasonable force be used to the extent necessary to obtain the samples of blood from the person to be tested, if the officer has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be tested was in violation of this section.

3.  Any person who violates the provisions of subsection 1 is guilty of a misdemeanor.

4.  A firearm is subject to forfeiture pursuant to NRS 179.1156 to 179.119, inclusive, only if, during the violation of subsection 1, the firearm is brandished, aimed or otherwise handled by the person in a manner which endangered others.

5.  As used in this section, the phrase “concentration of alcohol of 0.10 or more in his or her blood or breath” means 0.10 gram or more of alcohol per 100 milliliters of the blood of a person or per 210 liters of his or her breath.

(Added to NRS by 1995, 2533; A 1999, 2470; 2003, 2565)

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If you are driving under the influence, you are putting my life at risk. Even one drink effects your judgement and your reflexes. Drunks learn to hide these effects, but the effects are real. Even one drink. The cowboy who spent the morning drinking before going out in the street for a gunfight is a myth (or dead). Read about the gunfights in saloons where both parties, at close range, had to reload, and still only hurt bystanders.
Claiming that you can drink and drive sounds manly, but impaired is impaired and I have no sympathy for the drunk driver. even with only one in his system.

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These levels are below legal driving levels. That is scary. Lack of vigilance, visual impairment, screwed up perception, and slowed reflexes bode well for a self defense situation. Rally great for high speed driving also.

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Key words there are CAN BE and SOME.

I know guys who drink 1/2 a bottle of beer and pass out drunk and others who will drink the whole bar and still walk a tight rope, go to bed, wake up and be ready to do it over again.

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Look, if you're going to get stoned and still want to exercise your right to carry, just make sure it satisfies your cravings. It's a win-win.
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Driving or carrying I don't want to be under anything that can effect my judgment. I save my recreational habits for when I'm at home and that's very rarely. They don't need a law for me.
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You have to be seriously "under the influence" here in Nevada to be in violation under the provisions of the NRS (which I have quoted below). I hope they hooked him up for DUI too as he would have had to have been in violation of the drunk/intoxicated driving law to be charged for carrying while under the influence.
Yeah, they did charge him with DUI as well. I'm pretty sure the charges were harsh because he was not only an officer but a sergeant.
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Just addressing the alcohol part of your post, I don't know about other states but in Missouri it is perfectly legal to drink alcohol while carrying. For people who do not have have alcohol problems, I see nothing wrong with enjoying a drink while armed. They have as much right and need for self-defense as anyone else. Of course, the gun should be put away if they're going to get drunk.
I don't even like to clean what I know for certain to be empty guns after a single shot of my favorite Kentucky whiskey, much less have a loaded one on my person. Don't drive after the same either. There may have been a time when I wasn't so cautious but I'm neither 10 feet tall nor bullet proof anymore.
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It took a trip to the morgue to identify the bodies of my sister-in-law & her husband after being killed by a drunken driver to really realize the effects that an inebriated driver can have on a family.
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If you want to alter you mind and put your rational thinking to sleep...Stay away from dangerous things such as cars and guns...So far as the idea that some people can drink up everything at the bar and be capable of functioning perfectly, would you want that person to be the surgeon that will be doing surgery on YOUR child the next morning?...I have seen too much carnage caused by idiots who combine substance use with driving or playing with guns. It is illegal to drink while carrying a concealed handgun in Virginia. I agree with that. If a person can't go through dinner out without consuming alcohol perhaps that person has a drinking problem...I had an old sergeant I worked for on my first police department job. He was divorced a few times and liked to go to bars and drink and chase women. He advised me to never carry a gun in a bar while drinking anything. His answer was to carry his blackjack in his pocket under those conditions. He told me that in 1977. I knew other officers who carried when out drinking. I thought it stupid then and it's stupid now...No symathy from me.
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There's having a drink with your meal and there's drinking. One thing I've learned is some people think it's all drinking -- always to excess. But it's not at all that way for some folks where a drink with the meal is no different than having a soda -- enjoy the meal and they're done. People who are drinking should put their guns away. Someone having a drink with their meal probably has no reason to go unarmed except whatever overly-broad law might be in effect.
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I decided to stop drinking the day I purchased my gun. I do not need it and being sober has its benefits.
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what happens if some1 with a c&c gets cought drunk or carring drugs but not carrying a firearm
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what happens if some1 with a c&c gets cought drunk or carring drugs but not carrying a firearm

Drunk, not a problem with your CC, drugs?? Your CC will be suspended pending the outcome and you may lose it for good.
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It is not illegal to consume alcohol in FL while carrying.
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In pa there is no law against carrying in a bar while drinking. I don't condone it but it's not illegal here.


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I won't give the details, but for all those with their CWP, don't drink alcohol, smoke marijuana or have marijuana on your person while you're carrying your weapon. The consequences are loss of your right to EVER own a firearm again, and loss of your freedom for a few years, as "Weapons Under Disability" is a felony.

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Don, I'd like to remind you that not all of us live in Ohio. In some states, it is perfectly legal to imbibe alcohol while armed (though not advisable). For example, in my state, it's a class B misdemeanor to give sell or give a gun to a person who they know to be intoxicated. Not a word on the matter of being intoxicated and armed. I personally don't see the issue of having A drink with my weapon on my person. Any more than one drink and I put it up.
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OK...my 2 cents worth...I have been in recovery for 32 years and many of the people I met in recovery are in our judicial system,so they are going to be lenient when it comes to alcohol related infractions....on the other hand the politicians (anti gun) making the laws just see another chance to take our freedom away and use it...two completely separate issues...jmho
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I know guys who drink 1/2 a bottle of beer and pass out drunk and others who will drink the whole bar and still walk a tight rope, go to bed, wake up and be ready to do it over again.

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I would think that blowing a good part of a paycheck in a bar indicates that there are judgement problems up front.
Not to get into this drinking/carrying argument as I don't drink but there are a lot of anti-gun people that think blowing a good part of a paycheck in a gun store indicates judgement problems as well. Just goes to show everyone has their pet prejudices.
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Just addressing the alcohol part of your post, I don't know about other states but in Missouri it is perfectly legal to drink alcohol while carrying. For people who do not have have alcohol problems, I see nothing wrong with enjoying a drink while armed. They have as much right and need for self-defense as anyone else. Of course, the gun should be put away if they're going to get drunk.


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I disagree 100%
Alcohol and gun are never a good idea. If you are going to drink leave your gun at home.
So if I have a glass of wine with my dinner in a fine restaurant I should not continue to have the ability, or the right, to protect myself if I am attacked by thugs as I leave and go to my car in the parking lot.

Is that your position?

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By all means don't posses illegal drugs wether on not you are armed.

The laws on alcohol vary widely from state to state. Some prohibit any measurable amount. Some prohibit "intoxication. Some set a specific level of BAC .and at least one state has a formula of a certain number of alcohol related offenses ( DUI, open container drunk in public , etc) within a certain number of years is declared to be an habitual drunkard . An Habitual Drunkard is then prohibited from owning firearms until sufficient number of years has elasped w/o further offenses.

By all means follow the law wherever you are. But projecting that anyone who has a beer or glass of wine is a raving drunk , is like the Anti's projecting that anyone who owns a firearm is an incipient mass murderer.
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Just addressing the alcohol part of your post, I don't know about other states but in Missouri it is perfectly legal to drink alcohol while carrying. For people who do not have have alcohol problems, I see nothing wrong with enjoying a drink while armed. They have as much right and need for self-defense as anyone else. Of course, the gun should be put away if they're going to get drunk.
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Every drunk I've ever arrested swore that he was perfectly in control. Even the ones that wrapped their car around a tree, drove off a cliff or killed the driver of the other car.

Most copshops that I'm familiar with, when training and certifying breathalizer operators and DREs (Drug Recognition Experts), have the students drink as a timed and controlled experiment. They ask the students to judge for themselves when they think they've reached a certain level of motor impairment. 100% of the time that I've seen, the students were not able to accurately judge their impairment level nor their subsequent tested BAC level. And that 100% failure repeats next week at the next class, even after they've become a little more familiar with the testing process the first time.

These are trained cops, in an experimental situation, trying to "get it right" AND they are familiar with the testing process, what's required of them. To suggest that a casual, gun carrying citizen, in a social setting, enjoying a greasy bacon burger at Applebee's, while drinking "just one", would somehow be better at judging their own impairment level or BAC level strikes me as some kind of mix of macho and stupid.

"So I'm not allowed to enjoy a glass of wine while carrying to protect my family?" ... Stop looking at it as "what's allowed" and look at it from the outside, the objective side. If you hired a bodyguard, would you tell him it's ok to drink "just one" while protecting you and your family? You're the bodyguard now.

We have a RIGHT to carry a weapon. We have a RESPONSIBILITY to do that, um, responsibly.


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While I am not a fan of drinking and driving or handling firearms while drinking, I don't have a problem with going into a bar while carrying. I also don't have a problem with someone having a drink and carrying or driving. But, you have to be able to keep it to a drink. Some can some can't. Saying anyone who has a drink is a problem is like saying anyone who has a gun is a problem. Anyone who has a cold or the flu is "impaired" anyone on a whole list of prescription and over the counter drugs is "impaired" the question is to what degree. Someone who smoked some pot on Saturday night while setting around the house with momma will show on a urine test on Monday, but is he a problem? Not IMHO.

Lets not be intolerant like so many antis are to our guns. The important thing is to NOT BE STUPID. If you are a gun owner you owe it to yourself and society to have a higher level of responsibility, if you are carrying your level of responsibility must increases exponentially. Having any kind of substance that alters your mental capacity multiplies this still farther. People worry about the legal ramifications of things like modified guns a, type of ammo used in self defense. These will pale in comparison to what will happen if you use a weapon and ANYTHING shows up on your tox screen.

While I don't believe it is a good idea there are some people I would trust with a gun while half in the bag, some people I wouldn't trust with a BB gun cold sober. I seldom drink and can't remember the last time I got drunk. I certainly would not drink in a situation where I thought I might be called upon to defend myself or my love ones.

Drinking and carrying is like drinking and having a car in the parking lot. I haven't got a problem with it until touch the gun or the car. Some people can control their actions and some can't. If you carry a gun OR drive you best know which you are and plan accordingly. The number of people who think they can drink and drive and do so is the only thing that makes me cringe. But, I don't believe in punishing everyone for the stupidity of others. That is an anti position.

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Cannot believe the number of posters who want to prohibit a legal, adult pleasure.

Yesterday I attended a college basketball game. Met friends before the game and enjoyed several Michelob Light beers in a tavern. Post-game repaired to the same tavern and enjoyed several more beers.

I then went to Chipotle and took a burrito to my hotel room for late night enjoyment.

Once again, I didn't shoot anybody, didn't get shot, didn't pick a fight, didn't get my butt kicked, didn't embarrass myself...rather a typical day in my life. Similar to others in my presence. No issues/problems evident. Know of at least one other tavern patron who was CCW. She didn't shoot anyone, either.

As noted many times before, I have become involved in barroom situations that required my intervention. Only an extremely small percentage required use of my gun. I don't choose a gun as a first option for any behaviors by others.

That some Forum members want to impose their views in lieu of a wholly lawful activity continues to amaze and perplex me.

When I see that some are LEO's it makes me wonder if they substitute their personal beliefs re: 'right and wrong' in dealings with their constituencies. I surely hope not!

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bar tab was $28.00, Chipotle tab was $9.50, beer was tasty...ditto burrito. Drink beer most days...same as CCW.

At hotel bar late night a patron fell off his barstool...literally. He had been loud and boisterous. Very much over served. Had to be taken to his room by hotel security. Part of a Clemson University athletic team contingent. Suspect the young man will not be traveling with the team again.
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In Texas its against the law to drink while carrying a concealed weapon.
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Anyone who drinks and carries a concealed weapon is an idiot! IMO
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Anyone who drinks and carries a concealed weapon is an idiot! IMO
I will agree that anyone who consumes enough alcohol to fail a sobriety test shouldn't be carrying a concealed weapon, but I fail to see where having a glass of wine or a single beer with a meal makes a person an idiot.
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I will agree that anyone who consumes enough alcohol to fail a sobriety test shouldn't be carrying a concealed weapon, but I fail to see where having a glass of wine or a single beer with a meal makes a person an idiot.
Oh well! State law in Texas.....don't carry concealed and drink. Ever hear of the 51% law chuckster? If an establishment makes 51% or more of their profits from alcohol concealed weapons aren't permitted!
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Idiots are those who dwell in 'the land of bad decisions" and cannot handle themselves...period. Such folks make bad decisions whether sober, drunk, asleep, awake, driving, on foot, or on horseback.

Kindly do not refer to those who are capable of making good decisions and exercising sound judgement as idiots. It is rather ungentlemanly. Thank you.

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Thought a LEO citing statute might be better versed in the law and its application.

This might be helpful:
Having Weapons Under Disability: Separating Fact from Fiction

You seem to misunderstand.

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I won't give the details, but for all those with their CWP, don't drink alcohol, smoke marijuana or have marijuana on your person while you're carrying your weapon. The consequences are loss of your right to EVER own a firearm again, and loss of your freedom for a few years, as "Weapons Under Disability" is a felony.

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This thread reminds me of another very recent one with much the same theme, responsible individuals can't make the correct decisions about their own lives.
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There are people with higher tolerance levels, but how do you or they know at what point their judgement is screwed up. Drunks can and do learn to mask symptoms and can appear unimpaired. But their reaction time is slowed, their judgement is clouded, their perception is mixed up. Not readily apparent , but dangerous in a car or fight. There is no research indicating that drinking improves anybodies performance anywhere.( I have doubts about the tight rope, but would like to watch). I would think that blowing a good part of a paycheck in a bar indicates that there are judgement problems up front.

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In Texas its against the law to drink while carrying a concealed weapon.
You do not know your own state law on this so I looked it up for you. Here it is from Texas Penal Code Title 10, Chapter 46, Sec. 46.035:
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(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
Therefore it is not against Texas law to drink while carrying so long as you are not intoxicated.
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I'm currently in the waiting process for my Kansas CCW license. I will not be drinking or doing anything else that could possibly impair my judgement, awareness, or reflexes while carrying a gun. I drink on a fairly regular basis but I'm just not willing to take any chances when I have such a lethal weapon in my possession that may need to be utilized. Not, not even a drink with dinner for me.

My gun is staying home when I go out to a bar etc. etc.
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Here in Nebraska it is 0 tolerance. o alcohol in breath, blood or urine. O
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Idiots are those who dwell in 'the land of bad decisions"...
You drank "several beers" then went to a game then went back and drank "several more beers"?

All while armed?

What part of that describes "Not making a bad decision"?

You can moan and complain all you want about people trying to "impose their beliefs" on you. My personal opinion is...You're not acting responsibly. If you think that's me trying to impose my beliefs, then I must have some kind of power over you that I'm not aware of. I'm simply observing your described behavior. And my simple observation of your practices is...it's not smart.

Good thing you drank light beer. I wouldn't want you to be overloaded with carbs if you had to make a critical decision.


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I'm currently in the waiting process for my Kansas CCW license. I will not be drinking or doing anything else that could possibly impair my judgement, awareness, or reflexes while carrying a gun. I drink on a fairly regular basis but I'm just not willing to take any chances when I have such a lethal weapon in my possession that may need to be utilized. Not, not even a drink with dinner for me.

My gun is staying home when I go out to a bar etc. etc.
Good for you. I am sure that you are making the right decision for YOU.

And you are not telling me what I should do or not do. Good for you

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At least in Ohio, police officers can drink in a bar with their gun.
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Citizens can lawfully consume alcohol in many jurisdictions whilst lawfully armed.

If someone cannot exercise good judgement whilst enjoying a legal adult pleasure they should not imbibe in a bar. That said, they shouldn't drink in their home or anywhere else, either, if they are incapable of making good decisions in the course of carrying a gun.

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I don't drink.
I don't use any illegal drugs, or abuse any otc or prescription drugs.
I don't even smoke cigarettes.
My job depends on me being sober, drug-free, and keeping a clean MVR.

I'm actually quite boring.
I've never been arrested.
Going to jail would be bad for my virginity, if ya know what I mean.
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Citizens can lawfully consume alcohol in many jurisdictions whilst lawfully armed.

If someone cannot exercise good judgement whilst enjoying a legal adult pleasure they should not imbibe in a bar. That said, they shouldn't drink in their home or anywhere else, either, if they are incapable of making good decisions in the course of carrying a gun.

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When drinking at home store your guns at the neighbor's house.
Drink that demon rum and you may grab that gun out of the nightstand and kill the whole family.
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