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Old 01-20-2014, 11:26 PM
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EFF Industries is proud to introduce our new aluminum grips for the J-Frame Revolver

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We wanted to create a set of grips that minimized the carry profile for the S&W J-frame. By using precision CNC 6061-T6 aluminum, we were able to achieve thinness while maintaining durability. The first set of grips was actually prototyped in the raw approximately 2 years ago for personal use. Even with daily (and I mean DAILY) carry, we have not found anything outside of normal wear and tear.

While we are confident in the properties of 6061-T6, we have gotten plenty of requests for anodized sets.

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Just a personal opinion....a dulled grey or black finish, rather than a stand-out and bright silver-finish. To me, it says, "look at me" in bright silver. I like all of my carry arms to be inconspicuous and low-profile. As I said, that is my opinion only.
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Why? Is there a need for these? The pictures don't make them very attractive. They look kinda squared off.
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Just a personal opinion....a dulled grey or black finish, rather than a stand-out and bright silver-finish. To me, it says, "look at me" in bright silver. I like all of my carry arms to be inconspicuous and low-profile. As I said, that is my opinion only.
Appreciate the feedback; those are two colors we are already considering. We have identified a TX based, ISO 9001/2000 facility to do type 3 anodic hardcoats.


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Why? Is there a need for these? The pictures don't make them very attractive. They look kinda squared off.
The why, was the result of looking for a grip that would make the footprint of a j frame as minimal as possible. Nothing available provided the answer we had looked for. As far as the edges being squared, they are actually smoothly radiused. Something that I now notice is not apparent in any of our pictures and I appreciate you bringing to my attention. I will post some shots that show that radius work tomorrow.
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They look kinda cool.
I guess, since you asked, I would prefer a darker color too.
I think it's a good idea and I hope you sell a ton of them.
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I guess, since you asked, I would prefer a darker color too.
I think it's a good idea and I hope you sell a ton of them.
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Jim, thank you for both your feedback and kind words. We are set on providing an HIII offering. Simply a matter of logistics now.
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I understand the desire for a thin set of stocks (minimal side to side dimensions), but one of the major issues with the original wood stocks is that the circumference is so small that it is hard to get a good grip on them.

This is why Pachmayr Compac, Uncle Mike's Boot Grips, and Hogue Boot Grips are popular. They are thin (side to side) but have a wider profile (front to back) giving the entire stocks a larger circumference - more to hang onto.

Decreasing the side to side thickness without adding to the profile of the stocks actually makes the overall circumference smaller and therefore makes them harder to hold onto.

Have you considered making some stocks that have the same sort of profile as one of the above mentioned products? It should be relatively easy with a CNC machine. That way decreasing the thickness wouldn't have as much of a negative impact on their "gripability".

Just my $0.02....
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With the smooth rounded edges, I would think they would be slick. Does the checkering stand out beyond the edge?
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That's a pretty cool idea, I can see how that'd make it easier to conceal a J frame snubby in a persons pocket. A line of grip adapters of various finishes would be a pretty cool addition to your product line.
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I understand the desire for a thin set of stocks (minimal side to side dimensions), but one of the major issues with the original wood stocks is that the circumference is so small that it is hard to get a good grip on them.

Decreasing the side to side thickness without adding to the profile of the stocks actually makes the overall circumference smaller and therefore makes them harder to hold onto.

Have you considered making some stocks that have the same sort of profile as one of the above mentioned products? It should be relatively easy with a CNC machine. That way decreasing the thickness wouldn't have as much of a negative impact on their "gripability".

Just my $0.02....
It would be ludicrous to deny that minimizing the profile does not negatively impact your purchase on the weapon as say a Hogue boot grip style product would. The feel is completely different and intentionally so. Where we make up for it is the increased ride height on the heel of the firearm; you can get as high up on the backstrap and under the trigger guard as is allowed by the frame.

At this time, we are not considering making a thicker style grip.

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With the smooth rounded edges, I would think they would be slick. Does the checkering stand out beyond the edge?
No, after the radius, it is smooth. We felt that for those people that carry IWB, having sharp checkering at the edges would create a point of discomfort or snag and fray various garments.

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EFFIndustries, I applaud you for bringing new and alternative products to the market, and most especially for submitting them here for feedback and being gracious toward all responses.

Following on BC38's excellent comments, which should be very seriously considered, suggest you look at the profile of the J-frame service magnas -- after which yours are nicely patterned -- when paired with a Tyler T-Grip or similar style grip insert. Consider a future grip that follows that profile as a single piece; it's what many daily J-frame carriers have found to be an optimal balance between concealability and secure grip under fire.

As fo colors, matte and dark are my preferences.
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They are a bit gaudy on a blued gun, but I bet they would be great on stainless.
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There is no doubt these grips reduce the profile. However they do nothing to reduce the profile of the cylinder. IMO that is what causes the gun to print. If S&W could only come up with a J frame with a slimmer 4 shot cylinder that coupled with your grips would make for a very slim revolver. I second the suggestion of adding a cast Tyler T-grip to your grips. A slim grip with a additional T-grip cast right into it would be a real winner.
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Since you say these are not anodized, I would expect you will be getting user comments of their hand turning black with use.

Aluminum is a horrible material when not anodized.

These grips are for "GO", not "SHOW", I would expect?

How about other "better" materials, now that you have the CNC program?

UHMW may be a good choice.

Tigerwood (Goncalo Alves) would also be a good material, stronger than oak.

I think tigerwood has been used before around here somewhere?

Tigerwood is readily available, heck, I got 300 b.f..
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I like it. Simple as that. I wouldn't want to put a couple boxes of shells through it at the range with those grips, but neither would I want to do that with the stock grips. You are apparently marketing this for the 'carry' market. As such, thin and light is a good thing, though I agree that a T grip would make it even better.

Definitely go dark. Carry grips need not be "pretty," just concealable.
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Based on your photos, your grips appear to be too thin, not hand-filling enough. They also need some filler in front of the grip frame, ala grip adapter or boot grip. And lastly, they are ugly. Butt ugly.
Sorry, but you asked for imput, and these three things come to mind every time I look at your ad in the classifieds.
You might think about producing a "boot grip", but using CNC-machined aluminum instead of wood or lastic/rubber.
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EFF Industries is proud to introduce our new aluminum grips for the J-Frame Revolver

Quick Specs:

Models Fit: J Frame - Round Butt
Material: 6061-T6
Panel Height: 3.151 in
Panel Width: .193 in
Panel Set Weight: 1.62oz | 46g





We wanted to create a set of grips that minimized the carry profile for the S&W J-frame. By using precision CNC 6061-T6 aluminum, we were able to achieve thinness while maintaining durability. The first set of grips was actually prototyped in the raw approximately 2 years ago for personal use. Even with daily (and I mean DAILY) carry, we have not found anything outside of normal wear and tear.

While we are confident in the properties of 6061-T6, we have gotten plenty of requests for anodized sets.

What colors would you like to see this product available in?
Please also provide any and all feedback/comments/ and questions for us in this thread.

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I think have them have the same profile as a grip with a Tyler grip adapter would be great. I would buy them then.
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EFFIndustries, I applaud you for bringing new and alternative products to the market, and most especially for submitting them here for feedback and being gracious toward all responses.

Following on BC38's excellent comments, which should be very seriously considered, suggest you look at the profile of the J-frame service magnas -- after which yours are nicely patterned -- when paired with a Tyler T-Grip or similar style grip insert. Consider a future grip that follows that profile as a single piece; it's what many daily J-frame carriers have found to be an optimal balance between concealability and secure grip under fire.

As fo colors, matte and dark are my preferences.
Thank you for coming forward with these points. The T-Grip is something that we are actively testing. We do not want to state interoperability until we can say for certain that either product won't fail (slip/move/etc) when used in conjunction.

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They are a bit gaudy on a blued gun, but I bet they would be great on stainless.
Taking preferences into consideration, we will be offering hard coat type III anodic coatings to cover the tastes of various end users.

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There is no doubt these grips reduce the profile. However they do nothing to reduce the profile of the cylinder. IMO that is what causes the gun to print. If S&W could only come up with a J frame with a slimmer 4 shot cylinder that coupled with your grips would make for a very slim revolver. I second the suggestion of adding a cast Tyler T-grip to your grips. A slim grip with a additional T-grip cast right into it would be a real winner.
Agreed that the cylinder is the principle issue when considering how the gun prints. We wanted to address another area of concern through the grip area. Having a machined grip that includes an under trigger guard grip area would be ideal and is in the pipeline. So stay tuned.

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Since you say these are not anodized, I would expect you will be getting user comments of their hand turning black with use.

Aluminum is a horrible material when not anodized.

These grips are for "GO", not "SHOW", I would expect?

How about other "better" materials, now that you have the CNC program?

UHMW may be a good choice.

Tigerwood (Goncalo Alves) would also be a good material, stronger than oak.

I think tigerwood has been used before around here somewhere?

Tigerwood is readily available, heck, I got 300 b.f..
I've been using these grips for the better part of two years now, and even after range trips, I have never experienced black hands, though I am familiar with handling other raw aluminum alloys and having that color residue on my hands. As far as other materials, it may happen, but it is not something that is actively being pursued. I've never handled UMHW grips, micarta, g10, various woods, TI; but no UMHW. How does that hold up to abuse?

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I like it. Simple as that. I wouldn't want to put a couple boxes of shells through it at the range with those grips, but neither would I want to do that with the stock grips. You are apparently marketing this for the 'carry' market. As such, thin and light is a good thing, though I agree that a T grip would make it even better.

Definitely go dark. Carry grips need not be "pretty," just concealable.
Dark is coming first. And no, these are not for extended range sessions. They are edc's. Meant for, as you mentioned, the carry market. Thus the design parameters were to meet a level of grip purchase and minimize profile, among other things.

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Based on your photos, your grips appear to be too thin, not hand-filling enough. They also need some filler in front of the grip frame, ala grip adapter or boot grip. And lastly, they are ugly. Butt ugly.
Sorry, but you asked for imput, and these three things come to mind every time I look at your ad in the classifieds.
You might think about producing a "boot grip", but using CNC-machined aluminum instead of wood or lastic/rubber.
Nothing to be sorry about, I want to hear it all, nothing held back haha. What do you find so offputting? The color, profile, texture, maybe the whole of it? :P

Lot of people asking about boot style, it just isn't in the pipeline, but T-Grip compatibility is along with an integrated type model.

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I think have them have the same profile as a grip with a Tyler grip adapter would be great. I would buy them then.
Keep up with us as something of the sorts is in the pipeline!
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I have a no lock 342PD this product may be a fit for....

Have you at all considered an offering for the 3rd generation Smith's to replace the factory plastic or fat Houge (wood or rubber) grips that are the only choice now?
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Nice concept!

How does the weight (1.62oz) compare to the weight of standard rubber grips supplied with the currently manufactured S&Ws?
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I think you're on the right track and silver was the way to go to highlight your product for advertisement, but an offering must be made in more subdued colors. This is a defensive weapon, used as a near last resort not a show piece. I wonder and worry about how the recoil translates into the hand with these grips. I hear the point about riding higher and value this as both a revolver competitor and magnum shooter. Remember that all j frames are not centennials and it is indeed the hammer spur which dictates how high we can ride. The grips should have adequate grip and purchase to allow the management of both recoil and muzzle flip. Palm swells help in this regard as well. I think you'd be we'll advised to heed those asking for a boot or bantam grip. With just enough checkering to get the job done. We are not suggesting skate board tape traction. Best of luck in your endeavor.
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I have a no lock 342PD this product may be a fit for....

Have you at all considered an offering for the 3rd generation Smith's to replace the factory plastic or fat Houge (wood or rubber) grips that are the only choice now?
I was not aware that these models only have the options you mentioned. What is an example of such a model?
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Nice concept!

How does the weight (1.62oz) compare to the weight of standard rubber grips supplied with the currently manufactured S&Ws?
Will report back with that discrepancy. Do not have my lab scale with me to give you an accurate reading on the difference.

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I think you're on the right track and silver was the way to go to highlight your product for advertisement, but an offering must be made in more subdued colors. This is a defensive weapon, used as a near last resort not a show piece. I wonder and worry about how the recoil translates into the hand with these grips. I hear the point about riding higher and value this as both a revolver competitor and magnum shooter. Remember that all j frames are not centennials and it is indeed the hammer spur which dictates how high we can ride. The grips should have adequate grip and purchase to allow the management of both recoil and muzzle flip. Palm swells help in this regard as well. I think you'd be we'll advised to heed those asking for a boot or bantam grip. With just enough checkering to get the job done. We are not suggesting skate board tape traction. Best of luck in your endeavor.
Absolutely agree with your statement about it should not be for flash. All I can say is stay tuned for what we have coming. Expect something from us on 10 FEB 2014.

As far as the boot grips, that would not come until later. We have other projects being worked on but will keep that on the idea board. Any new grip would have to meet specific design and use criteria: we don't want to churn out the same stuff that is out there. Innovate or die is the mantra.

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3913, 3914, 3953, 3954 and 908 are examples of the compact single stack 9 3rd generation that have quite a following.

There are many more examples but this would likely be a good starting place - these are most often cited as optimum concealed carry pistols.

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I like the thickness, but these should be black anodized and they should fill the area between the trigger guard and the grip frame.
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I like the thickness, but these should be black anodized and they should fill the area between the trigger guard and the grip frame.
Something along the lines of an integrated tyler t-grip would work great...
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I like your idea about the shooter being able to get up higher on the backstrap and lower the barrel axis. The problem I have experienced, however, is that any grip that follows the original profile does not lend it's self to overall control. Consider a wrap-around design that adds material in front of and behind the backstrap while allowing the shooter to get a higher purchase without adding so much material between the rear of the trigger guard and the frontstrap.
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I weighed most of the J-frame grip options last year on a jeweler's scale. The boot 'knock-off' grips on current Js come in at 1.64 oz, as opposed to 1.62 of the EFFs.

Other weights: UM boots 2.1 oz, Hogue boots 1.3 oz, Original peanut grips .92 oz, plus T-grip 1.4 oz.

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Pachmayr compact grips are 4.65 ounces and Uncle Mikes boot grips come in at 2.05 ounces.
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Putting function over form, I would like to see revolver grips with a good fillet behind the trigger guard, and checkering on the front. If I had larger hands (and many do), checkering on a covered backstrap would also be helpful.

While it is common for pistol grips to be checkered in this fashion, I've never seen revolver grips with this treatment. It helps lock in your hand position and manage recoil. In lieu of checkering, the front strap should be available with finger grooves. By choice, all of my revolvers currently have smooth grips with finger grooves (Ahrends). All of my pistols have checkered aluminum or G-10 grips, checkered on the backstrap where applicable (e.g., SIGs not 1911s).

Checkering on the sides of the grip adds very little the functionality, other than appearance. It is more likely to snag on or wear out clothing, especially if it is aggressive enough to work, and can be hard on furniture or car seats if worn under thin cover or open.

My preference for color would be matte black, or at least semi-gloss.
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Howdy EFF. also carry the "horn" up higher, like a set of high horn grips.
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Respectfully sir,
Please listen to the customer. There is a reason the grips are evolving the way they are. I'm a relatively inexperienced revolver shooter as I only have about 200,000 rounds down range in platforms ranging from fire breathing X frames to snappy J's. There are people far more experienced than I here that are giving very helpful hints.

As far as innovate or die, I find that to be an overly cavalier statement and I respectfully contend that you have not brought an innovation to the market. Rather you have essentially adapted the grips off of a dollar store cap gun to the S&W J frame. I think it is a novel idea, but some clear functionality issues need to be addressed. Again I wish you nothing but the best in your endeavors.

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3913, 3914, 3953, 3954 and 908 are examples of the compact single stack 9 3rd generation that have quite a following.
Thanks for the insight. Throwing these up on the board.

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I like the thickness, but these should be black anodized and they should fill the area between the trigger guard and the grip frame.
There is definitely a trend here, so thank you for adding your voice.

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Something along the lines of an integrated tyler t-grip would work great...
Appreciate you taking the time to also let us know that this is something that you would be interested in.

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I like your idea about the shooter being able to get up higher on the backstrap and lower the barrel axis. The problem I have experienced, however, is that any grip that follows the original profile does not lend it's self to overall control. Consider a wrap-around design that adds material in front of and behind the backstrap while allowing the shooter to get a higher purchase without adding so much material between the rear of the trigger guard and the frontstrap.
With the JCGR, overall control was sacrificed to a degree. That is a given with there being less material to put the fleshy bits of our hand on, haha. We tried to offset that with a higher ride but, having another option with more of a grip positive attitude, is something that we are dev'ing currently. Thanks for your input.

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I weighed most of the J-frame grip options last year on a jeweler's scale. The boot 'knock-off' grips on current Js come in at 1.64 oz, as opposed to 1.62 of the EFFs.

Other weights: UM boots 2.1 oz, Hogue boots 1.3 oz, Original peanut grips .92 oz, plus T-grip 1.4 oz.

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And to you as well, taking all this information down to reference in the future.

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Please listen to the customer. There is a reason the grips are evolving the way they are. I'm a relatively inexperienced revolver shooter as I only have about 200,000 rounds down range in platforms ranging from fire breathing X frames to snappy J's. There are people far more experienced than I here that are giving very helpful hints.

As far as innovate or die, I find that to be an overly cavalier statement and I respectfully contend that you have not brought an innovation to the market. Rather you have essentially adapted the grips off of a dollar store cap gun to the S&W J frame. I think it is a novel idea, but some clear functionality issues need to be addressed. Again I wish you nothing but the best in your endeavors.

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First, I don't contend the points anyone has made here, nor do I think you are saying that I am. Just throwing that out in the wind. Honest feedback is what I want, period. There are no caveats when I say that.

There are some points that we have put into priority design, meaning they are in the pipeline and being mulled and worked over. With what we were trying to accomplish though, creating a full profile grip simply was not the answer. We made the assumption from the get go that some degree of pure grip function would be lost through the profile minimization, and offset those losses in other areas. I hear you, and many others here, when you say you want a more functional piece. We believe these minimized grips have their purpose on a go gun, but we know there can be added functionality implemented to a different spec grip. Again, that is coming and I would love for you to continue to check in with us as that makes it through the dev process. With sincerity, Forest, I hope that you continue to provide your feedback.
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I see these as no smaller or lighter than many of the minimal wooden grips available. Where's the innovation?
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The problem with the J-frame is that you need more to hang onto, not less. You've gotten some excellent ideas about making this as a boot grip or Tyler T sort of thing. That I might be interested in.
But as it currently is, nope.
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I think your only option is to offer 10+ designs and let the market decide.

Most of the grip companies have the same dilemma as you;

"Try to "guess" which design will be a homerun".

It can not happen, you are the supplier, not the customer.

Your likes and dislikes will not put sales $$$ in the bank.

Only customer likes can do that.

Hit the computer, whip out the designs, do not put all your eggs in one basket.

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After I posted a comment on here a few days ago I was offered a free tryout of the grips mentioned. Just got them today.
As promised I will give my opinion.
They do SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the circumference of the grip on a J-Frame. I put them on my M340PD that is my BUG. It lives all the time in my left front pants pocket. (I'm right handed). I had taken the rubber grips that were on it from the factory and replaced them with a set of wood stocks. The rubber helps the recoil sensation, but I don't like rubber grips on a carry gun. The M340PD is an 11 ounce .357 Magnum. It HURTS to shoot full powered Magnums in it, but I keep it loaded with Federal 125 Grain JHPs. Whenever I shoot it I always shoot a cylinder full of my carry load with just my left hand. I only had the opportunity to shoot a few rounds, but I was impressed with this product. My first cylinder of the above mentioned Magnums, fired left hand only, went right where I was aiming. I expected the recoil sensation to be worse with these grips, but believe it or not, it was actually a BIT more tolerable. Don't get me wrong, it still hurt, but not quite as bad. I will say these are not the grips to put on a super light revolver that you intend to shoot a lot of rounds with heavy loads. I don't do that with this revolver. I shoot it enough to stay proficient.
I am impressed with this product. As I said, the profile is much thinner than any other stocks/grips I have tried. For a pocket revolver that is a plus.

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Being the first to suggest the idea of adding to the front and or back of the grip to give it more of a boot grip profile, I'd like to volunteer as a tester for the prototype when one becomes available.

Seriously. I have two round butt J frames in .38 special and one in .357 magnum to try them on.
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We've all seen wooden grips used for daily carry that have been beaten all to heck - split edges, checkering worn smooth, dents, nicks, and gouges. IMO, the real innovation here is in using the CNC machine to produce them in a very unique and durable material.
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We felt that wood, in some cases, does not have the durability that we want. It has its failure points and so we went a different route.

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Durability was high on the design requirements.

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Seriously. I have two round butt J frames in .38 special and one in .357 magnum to try them on.
We are absolutely going to be seeking out more testers and we are pooling exclusively from S-W forum. Finalizing those details this coming week. Seriously

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After I posted a comment on here a few days ago I was offered a free tryout of the grips mentioned. Just got them today.
As promised I will give my opinion.
They do SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the circumference of the grip on a J-Frame. I put them on my M340PD that is my BUG. It lives all the time in my left front pants pocket. (I'm right handed). I had taken the rubber grips that were on it from the factory and replaced them with a set of wood stocks. The rubber helps the recoil sensation, but I don't like rubber grips on a carry gun. The M340PD is an 11 ounce .357 Magnum. It HURTS to shoot full powered Magnums in it, but I keep it loaded with Federal 125 Grain JHPs. Whenever I shoot it I always shoot a cylinder full of my carry load with just my left hand. I only had the opportunity to shoot a few rounds, but I was impressed with this product. My first cylinder of the above mentioned Magnums, fired left hand only, went right where I was aiming. I expected the recoil sensation to be worse with these grips, but believe it or not, it was actually a BIT more tolerable. Don't get me wrong, it still hurt, but not quite as bad. I will say these are not the grips to put on a super light revolver that you intend to shoot a lot of rounds with heavy loads. I don't do that with this revolver. I shoot it enough to stay proficient.
I am impressed with this product. As I said, the profile is much thinner than any other stocks/grips I have tried. For a pocket revolver that is a plus.

So, review over. Guess now I'm a gun writer.
Jim
Thank you again for your comments and thoughts, Jim. Curious, what size glove do you wear?

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I think your only option is to offer 10+ designs and let the market decide.

Most of the grip companies have the same dilemma as you;

"Try to "guess" which design will be a homerun".

It can not happen, you are the supplier, not the customer.

Your likes and dislikes will not put sales $$$ in the bank.

Only customer likes can do that.

Hit the computer, whip out the designs, do not put all your eggs in one basket.

I wear a 3X glove. This is the smallest gun I can accurately shoot;

Anything smaller, my wallet stays closed!
That is a large hand, sir. Agree, letting the customers choose is one vector to approach from. Understanding needs and designing to those is another, one we are attempting. There will always be integration points, vectors from which you can co-opt utility and function. Considering what you and everyone else here has said helps to pollinate the drawing board. So thank you for reminding us that some folks just have big hands to work with.

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The problem with the J-frame is that you need more to hang onto, not less. You've gotten some excellent ideas about making this as a boot grip or Tyler T sort of thing. That I might be interested in.
But as it currently is, nope.
Stick around then as we have some things coming in that you will be rather interested in, I think. Ideally we would always have more with less, so working towards that optimization is a goal going forward.

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Just the whole of it? Would you mind elaborating, thank you!
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Would be pleased to be one of your test pilots.

38 plus years of gun toting experience...former LEO. And now carry a j-frame revolver exclusively.

I have many grips and use most. Spegel's, Ajax, S&W, and more. Frankly, I like your concept. Concealability looks good as does required maintenance...or lack thereof.

Regardless, best wishes for the success of your endeavor.

Be safe.
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I find the review of this product interesting and the suggestions as to future versions also interesting. I, too, carried for over thirty years as a LEO. I carry now daily with either my J-frame 340PD or M&P340. I have S&W Dymondwood on one and the S&W boot-grip (rubber) on the other. I like the little extra behind the trigger-guard. If any testers are needed from Dixie, feel free to contact me.
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The only gloves I wear with regularity that I know the size of are racquetball gloves. Those are size small.

I agree with several posts about adding a bit to the front strap. People usually buy Tyler T-Grips for that. I may do so myself. All in all I am very impressed with your product. To be perfectly honest with you, I wasn't expecting to be. The M340PD hurts to shoot with full powered Magnums. I was expecting it to be worse with your grips. I was pleasantly surprised when it actually hurt less, and was very controllable.

I still don't want to shoot very many Magnums in one setting out of that sucker though.

I give it an enthusiastic thumbs up, and I hope you sell a million of 'em.
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I have also been offered the opportunity to test the grips and will be basing my tests on achievable accuracy with the current grips on my 360 M&P with Hogue Bantam grips and a 642 with CT grips. Testing will include near max magnum loads and +P loads as well as pussy cat minor PF competition loads. I hope to establish a decent and fair baseline and see how the low profile aluminum grips measure up as far as accuracy and controllability go through the various power factors while remaining as unfatigued and objective as possible.
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I think EFF is onto a great idea. Obviously, not for everyone but those of us needing or wanting something more durable than wood (or like me, wanting to keep from messing up those no-longer-made factory panels) this has great potential. Count me as a vote for an all in one grip panel/T-grip. I'd also like to suggest some things other than the checkering illustrated. How about linear grooves, engraved logos or symbols, 100% checkered, checkering in a pattern, or no checkering at all? How about a set of "spacers" to fine-tune the overall thickness?
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Would be pleased to be one of your test pilots.

38 plus years of gun toting experience...former LEO. And now carry a j-frame revolver exclusively.

I have many grips and use most. Spegel's, Ajax, S&W, and more. Frankly, I like your concept. Concealability looks good as does required maintenance...or lack thereof.

Regardless, best wishes for the success of your endeavor.

Be safe.
I'll be in contact, we are looking for more testers. As for the best wishes, thank you very much. That means a lot.

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I find the review of this product interesting and the suggestions as to future versions also interesting. I, too, carried for over thirty years as a LEO. I carry now daily with either my J-frame 340PD or M&P340. I have S&W Dymondwood on one and the S&W boot-grip (rubber) on the other. I like the little extra behind the trigger-guard. If any testers are needed from Dixie, feel free to contact me.
Again, we will be in contact. Thank you for reaching out and offering up your views, comments and criticism.

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Alex,
The only gloves I wear with regularity that I know the size of are racquetball gloves. Those are size small.

I agree with several posts about adding a bit to the front strap. People usually buy Tyler T-Grips for that. I may do so myself. All in all I am very impressed with your product. To be perfectly honest with you, I wasn't expecting to be. The M340PD hurts to shoot with full powered Magnums. I was expecting it to be worse with your grips. I was pleasantly surprised when it actually hurt less, and was very controllable.

I still don't want to shoot very many Magnums in one setting out of that sucker though.

I give it an enthusiastic thumbs up, and I hope you sell a million of 'em.
Jim
Thanks for the info, Jim and for the well wishes. I feel like most people would be surprised about the controllability too. Maybe not if you have 3xL hands though, haha.

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I have also been offered the opportunity to test the grips and will be basing my tests on achievable accuracy with the current grips on my 360 M&P with Hogue Bantam grips and a 642 with CT grips. Testing will include near max magnum loads and +P loads as well as pussy cat minor PF competition loads. I hope to establish a decent and fair baseline and see how the low profile aluminum grips measure up as far as accuracy and controllability go through the various power factors while remaining as unfatigued and objective as possible.
Very much looking forward to what you have to say and the battery of tests that you will run these through!
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Interesting idea and easy on my eye; but I doubt it would be easy on my elderly, arthritic hands, even in an all-steel J-frame with +P ammo. Sure looks easy to conceal, however.
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Interesting. I'm not offput by the color since I carry a nickle-plated Model 37, but I can't see taking the black buffalo horn grips off my little shooter.

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Interesting idea and easy on my eye; but I doubt it would be easy on my elderly, arthritic hands, even in an all-steel J-frame with +P ammo. Sure looks easy to conceal, however.
What grips do you currently carry with? And thank you for the kind words!

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Interesting. I'm not offput by the color since I carry a nickle-plated Model 37, but I can't see taking the black buffalo horn grips off my little shooter.

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I think EFF is onto a great idea. Obviously, not for everyone but those of us needing or wanting something more durable than wood (or like me, wanting to keep from messing up those no-longer-made factory panels) this has great potential. Count me as a vote for an all in one grip panel/T-grip. I'd also like to suggest some things other than the checkering illustrated. How about linear grooves, engraved logos or symbols, 100% checkered, checkering in a pattern, or no checkering at all? How about a set of "spacers" to fine-tune the overall thickness?
Congrats, EFF, I'm excited to see where you go with this!
Thank you! Logos and symbols might start to run around some legalese that we may not want to get involved with. Something to educate ourselves on nonetheless though. You have some good suggestions as well! What are you thinking in regards to the spacers?



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