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Old 08-25-2017, 06:55 AM
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I still like the revolver over auto for carrying myself but that's my choice not saying anyone else is wrong .As far as round count goes my motto is by tne third shot I'm already gonna be runnin anyways so it don't matter
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Old 08-25-2017, 10:40 AM
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Long ago. Mine is packed away awaiting delivery to my son
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Old 08-25-2017, 10:48 AM
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I'm admittedly a Glock fanboy. I nearly always ccw one of my two Glock 19s, but during the summer months it is a 442 Airweight. While I don't doubt these newer "pocket 9s" (and in some cases 380) work fine, I am uncomfortable with carrying anything other than a Glock or a S&W revolver. Have been for years. I also, admittedly, hate change.
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I am confidant with my 60yr old chief special or the 40yr old series 70, 1911.
I have played with a number of the minis and have found none to be dependable enough. The only one I sort of liked was the Sig P238, but $$$$$$.
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I FIRST START CARRYING A MDL 60 AS A RECRUIT AS BACK UP. CARRIED IT FOR 20+ YEARS. I LATER PICKED UP A 642 AND CARRIED FOR YEARS AS WELL. PICKED UP A SECAMP .32 AND CARRIED IT. THAN A SECAMP 380 & CARRIED IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS I'D CARRIED A 8 SHOT 317 2" .I ALWAYS POCKET CARRIED . THE J FRAMES WORE HOLES IN THE PANTS BUT THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE. THE SECAMPS HUNG IN THE POCKETS LIKE A ROLL OF QUARTERS. SMALL CONCENTRATED WEIGHT. TODAY I TOOK DELIVERY OF A RUGER LCP. I HAD BORROWED A FRIENDS TO PLAY AROUND WITH. THAT SOLD ME. I LOOKED AT ALL 3 VERSIONS OF THE LCP. I WENT WITH THE ORIGINAL VERSION. WHY? IT CARRIES VERY EASY IN THE POCKET. WITH EXT. MAG IT HOLDS WELL, SHOOTS FINE AND 7+1 (380)IS 60% MORE THAN 38SPL. JP

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Old 08-26-2017, 04:18 AM
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I stand by my words. Selling a $400 or higher J-Frame in order to buy a $200-$250 LCP or similar pistol doesn't make sense on any level. If someone can't afford to buy one of those without having to sell or trade a more valuable, more reliable and more powerful concealable revolver to get it, then they have issues.

And don't cross reference my threads that have no bearing on the subject at hand in order to belittle me, I don't like it.
I think your reply illustrates the point of my post way better than anything I could have said.
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My carry gun philosophy has changed over the decades. In my younger days I carried a Colt Combat Commander as primary with a Detective Special Colt as backup.

Now I have come to use a wheelgun as primary and semiauto as backup. I have two J frames a 360PD for it's super light weight, and a 640 Pro Series for it's great night sights and comforting weight. I shoot it better than the 360PD.

Best of all if I actually need to use it is my 547. The larger K frame still conceals well in Appendix carry and I have found a sticky pocket holster carried ISWB allows positioning the larger gun for either comfort or conceal-ability.

I will always choose a revolver as first to fight, it's just faster to employ and will always fire even with a poor grip. You can't limp wrist a revolver.

For back-up a 3G Smith is my go to gun when the revolver runs out of ammo. NY reload beats any other type of reload when the chips are down.

My 3914 DAO is a favorite for it's size and weight but my 4040PD isn't much larger or heavier and the .40 is preferred for it's greater impact.

Being a fan of the .45 (bigger is better) I also like to carry my 457 with Big Dots for fast target acquisition, and I will soon have a melted 4516 with Big Dots to add to my carry guns (it's at my FFL as soon as I can pick it up).

But junk my J frames? Never gonna happen. The 547 K frame may be my carry gun of choice and a .45 as backup to it my first choice if SHTF, but a J frame and compact 9mm will always be my favorite when "going light".

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Old 08-27-2017, 08:41 AM
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I've actually gone in the opposite direction. Very rarely do I carry a semi auto pistol these days with the exception of a Seecamp on some occasions. 99% of the time I have a J-Frame with me.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:54 AM
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Still a Colt Detective Special (last model) or a S&W Air Weight J Frame. However, the new Ruger LC9 "Pro Model" after 500 rounds is getting bumped up. Good size and feel in my hands, great trigger and very accurate. Only mod made was to replaced the factory standard with night sights.
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:01 AM
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A proven G19 on belt or, when circumstances dictate and shirt tail goes in pants, a 640 no dash in pocket.
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I actually did the opposite.

During my full time LE career I usually carried a Model 60 as an off duty gun. Later, I carried a Kahr PM40 off duty. When I retired I went to either a Kimber Solo or a Kahr P380. Then I found a 940. I qualified with the Kimber, the Kahr and the S&W 940 for off duty (I am currently a reserve officer). I have not even removed the Kimber or Kahr from the safe since I got the 940.

Since I started my career with revolvers I was always partial to them. When I go to the range next month I doubt that I will even take a semi auto with me for qualification (other than the issued gun). I will take my 940 and 629-6 fixed sight 2.5 inch which I carry loaded with .44 specials.

I guess I'm just an old revolver guy at heart.
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Old 08-30-2017, 04:04 PM
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The late Stephen Camp wrote a book about the J frame that contains a wealth of wisdom. Anyone considering a switch from the J to a tiny .380 should invest in this book first. He addressed this topic in great detail.
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I made the mistake (twice) of trading a j frame for a small auto... won't happen a third time... if I'm not carrying a full size 9mm (which is usually the case) it's "Five for Sure" from here on out for me. Get a 640 and don't look back
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I'm happy with my 642. I don't feel any need to switch my style of pocket carry, even though the newer semi-autos hold a couple of more rounds.
I know this is an old post, but I got a "like" on it, and thought I'd update my remarks. Since the time I last posted, I moved into a couple of different cc choices: a model 60, which I rotate with a Sig P290RS. I like the 60 for working around our place, and the Sig goes with me to town.5
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I either carry a 637, a 36-1, or my shield. on occasion I carry my SD9VE - just depends on my mood- they're all great shooter and reliable.
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I am traveling to a high-risk city area today so I have the Glock 26 and the 22 round back up magazine. But the 442 is my go to when back in rural America.
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I like revolvers but as soon as the GLOCK 43 came out, I dropped my 442 like a bad habit. Thinner, one more round, more powerful, easier reloads, etc.
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Not me. Bot a Kimber .380 Mini. Put CT on it & took it out to range. Kept hittin the mag release almost every shot. Sold that *** & went back to my J's. All is well.

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We own several J-frames since about 1980....but I have been carry a G-26 as my EDC for about 15 years.
Ms. gamboolgal carries a Sig P-938 as her EDC most of the time, but does take her S&W snubbie alot also.
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I would never dump my 36 for a small auto, but I do have them in my carry rotation!
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640 for me. I shoot it well, even with .357, which is what it is always loaded with. I have complete confidence in this gun. It feels better than any small auto that I have handled.
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No. I dumped it for this. Well, not dumped, I still switch off now and then.
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I switched away from the small S&W revolvers because they are difficult to shoot. I hated my 442's. I tried the 640 PRO with 38 Special but the trigger needed work. I went to the Kahr CM9 with its revolver-like very smooth trigger and the Glock 43.


The good news is that I happened to really like the Ruger LCR's trigger. The sights are bad (only the 640 PRO had decent sights out of all these revolvers) but it is shootable. I got it in 9x19mm for ammo compatibility. The 9mm round performs between 38 Special and 357 Magnum. It is still a compromise on terminal ballistics, but Speer Gold Dot 124 grain JHP penetrates 18" of test media without expansion. The flat face yielded a straight wound channel.
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I figure if a snub nose 38 served my dad as a daily carry for 63 years I might as well carry on the tradition.
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I have been tempted, but ammo compatibility is never an issue with my J frames.
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I have also considered because of the snappy action of the .357. Now I am just considering using some of the "new" 38 special loads. Perhaps the 38 is a bit better on the wrist.

I have a couple of Sigs that are real nice, but none that are really small. The J Frame continues to be the most comfortable and easy to carry.
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I switched because of the round count. I really like my 642's, but I want more than 5 rounds. Maybe 95% or so of the random violent crime around here is committed by 1 or 2 BG's. I think 5 rounds works for that. The other 5% is committed by 3 or 4. Five rounds doesn't seem so good for that.

I'd rather carry seven .380's with another six I can load quickly, than five .38's with a slow load of another five.

I still use a 642 as my winter coat gun.
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If I went back on the job today I'd carry a modern auto loader just to level the playing field w/the opposition. In '74 I was involved in a gunfight w/three bad guys (BG) that held up a liquor store. After emptying my revolver twice, and hitting the BG several times, I was out of ammo but the BG was still advancing on another cop. Needless to say it left an impression on me.
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I've been leaning towards parking my Shield 9 and going with my 640. I have about a 10% FTF with the Shield using HST 147HPs that I haven't resolved. Shield works fine with Winchester target ammo but it doesn't like the HSTs, seems they get hung up on the feed ramp.

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The smallest semi-auto I currently own is a Glock 26. I will occasionally carry the Glock in place of a snub, but I can't see it ever replacing it. My primary reason for opting to go with an auto is significant additional capacity. I feel like I get that with the G26. I haven't shown much interest in guns like the Shield or Glock 43 because they have as large a footprint and are actually heavier than my snubs without offering a substantial enough round count increase to compensate for trading away the revolvers advantages.

I do have somewhat of a passing interest in very small, light autos that have an equivalent capacity as my J's, but are significantly smaller as well as lighter. I'm not overly enthusiastic about .380, but could see it filling a niche in certain instances since such small guns can go places and be carried in methods where even an airweight snub might be considered too large. The only problem is I haven't come across a model that has the reliability reputation that I'd like to see.
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The smallest semi-auto I currently own is a Glock 26. I will occasionally carry the Glock in place of a snub, but I can't see it ever replacing it. My primary reason for opting to go with an auto is significant additional capacity. I feel like I get that with the G26. I haven't shown much interest in guns like the Shield or Glock 43 because they have as large a footprint and are actually heavier than my snubs without offering a substantial enough round count increase to compensate for trading away the revolvers advantages.

I do have somewhat of a passing interest in very small, light autos that have an equivalent capacity as my J's, but are significantly smaller as well as lighter. I'm not overly enthusiastic about .380, but could see it filling a niche in certain instances since such small guns can go places and be carried in methods where even an airweight snub might be considered too large. The only problem is I haven't come across a model that has the reliability reputation that I'd like to see.
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I have some different small .380's. I don't feel like any one brand has a reputation for reliability. The cartridge power is low enough and the manufacturing tolerances are wide enough, some individual pistols are very reliable, some not. Can't pick by brand.

My LCP I - Gen 2 stainless (2 of them) have been flawless. My LCP I - Gen 2 blued, not so much. I've seen some say their LCP stainless have been perfect and others say they have issues. I have two late model Glock 42's. Love how they shoot, but they're not reliable enough to carry. Other people with late model Glock 42's never have had an issue. Seen the same story with Taurus TCP's and Kel-Tec P3AT's.

I think there are super reliable .380's, but it's based on individual pistols, not a specific brand.
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I switched away from the small S&W revolvers because they are difficult to shoot. I hated my 442's. I tried the 640 PRO with 38 Special but the trigger needed work. I went to the Kahr CM9 with its revolver-like very smooth trigger and the Glock 43.


The good news is that I happened to really like the Ruger LCR's trigger. The sights are bad (only the 640 PRO had decent sights out of all these revolvers) but it is shootable. I got it in 9x19mm for ammo compatibility. The 9mm round performs between 38 Special and 357 Magnum. It is still a compromise on terminal ballistics, but Speer Gold Dot 124 grain JHP penetrates 18" of test media without expansion. The flat face yielded a straight wound channel.
The LCR trigger out of the box IS really nice, (like a J AFTER disassembly, tuning and reassembly) AND you can get a decent front sight, several are available, just need a punch. I just wonder if the polymer parts will be 'good to go' 100 years from now (I have a 105 year old .32 S&W Hand Ejector that is ready for another 105 years.)
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640 Pro Series for it's great night sights and comforting weight...

I will always choose a revolver as first to fight, it's just faster to employ and will always fire even with a poor grip. You can't limp wrist a revolver.

For back-up a 3G Smith is my go to gun when the revolver runs out of ammo.

NY reload beats any other type of reload when the chips are down.

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I've been leaning towards parking my Shield 9 and going with my 640. I have about a 10% FTF with the Shield using HST 147HPs that I haven't resolved. Shield works fine with Winchester target ammo but it doesn't like the HSTs, seems they get hung up on the feed ramp.
Just me, but until I switched, I would be carrying the practice ammo. No amount of whiz-bang science or exponential projectile expansion matters if your carry doesn't go bang EVERY SINGLE TIME you pull the trigger.
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I switched. I carried J frames for the last half dozen years or so, always on the belt, never in a pocket - my front pants pockets are already full of stuff I'm not going without (money, small flashlight, knives.) And I never found drawing from a pocket to be convenient or reliable unless I was standing up, so . . . belt carry. I like the dead nuts reliability, and even the possiblity of shooting through a jacket pocket (to which the gun has been discreetly transferred from the belt holster) with a revolver. Carried 38s and, for a while, 32 Magnums - an extra round, and with Buffalo Bore ammo just about as much muzzle energy as a 158g 38 Special +P.

And I could shoot 'em all pretty well, but not for very long. I couldn't stand more than a dozen or so full power loads out of any 2" J frame, whether alloy or steel, without it starting to hurt. (Alloy guns do hurt more and sooner, but even steel gets uncomfortable - for me - real fast. I can't even shoot a 120-round IDPA match with 38 Specials in a 3" K frame unless it has a cushioned grip on it, and that's spread over several hours.)

Recently, I had a chance to try several of the micro 9mm autos, and did so to prove that they were even worse than J frames in the pain department and so I could stop even thinking about 'em. But I found the opposite to be true - went through over 100 rounds checking 4 different guns, and ALL were comfortable to shoot, even the last magazine out of the last gun tested. (This test took less than an hour.) And none had a single malfunction of any sort (they were all well broken in rental guns.)

The attraction of comfortable practice coupled with the additional capacity and near-instant reloadability made me decide to switch pretty much on the spot. The fact that there is now an IDPA class for these guns is a bonus - so I can compete with what I carry like I did when I carried a Glock 26, but can NOT do with a J frame outside of the rare (around here) BUG gun match.

So I picked a 9mm Shield for its best-accuracy and -capacity among those I tested, and the $75 rebate helped close the deal. I have almost 1000 failure-free rounds through it so far, and am delighted with the choice. Turns out that using 147g Speer Gold Dots or Federal HSTs I get a bit more energy than I had with Remington 158g 38 Special +Ps or Buffalo Bore 100g 32 Magnums out of any of my J frames, so I'm even a bit ahead there. AND I can stand to practice with that power level (using lead bullet reloads for practice - lots of 'em.)

As for dumping the revolvers, that remains to be seen. Will probably sell some of the 32s, keeping a couple just because they're fun and accurate to shoot with soft ammo. I'll sell my 49 simply because I'm never going carry a blue gun again, and maybe the 640 because it would probably bring the most. The several alloy 38 J frames show some (or a lot of) carry wear, and so wouldn't bring much in a sale - they may just hang around for my kids to argue over.

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I have, but only because I have issues with my shooting hand. The 38 rounds in an airweight J frame are a little more punishing on my shooting hand than the 9 mm rounds out of a Shield. One thing about the J frame, at least a hammerless, it can be fired from a jacket pocket and, nothing pocket carries like a J frame.

As a side note, an all steel Centennial (640 or 640 no dash .38 Spcl) might be less punishing, and therefore a more viable option. Its on the bucket list.
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I switched, not because I didn't like the idea or design of the J frame Smith, I just didn't feel like I was very proficient with it. Much happier with a Walther P99C, which I have found to be accurate and dependable.

The J frame is a great old design - it just for some reason isn't for me.
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I have carried a model 60 for over 30 years. My recent carry piece is a Springfield XDS in .45 ACP, but the model 60 is still toted it just rides in an ankle rig or in a pocket. For the times when I am not on a detail the 60 is still my pocket gun.
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... I am worried about you. Where do you live, and what are you facing that, as a civilian, you "run out of ammo"...
I live in Pittsburgh and there are areas that are gang controlled and it is possible to run afoul of heavily armed groups that could see me as a target for a car jacking.

This is obviously a worst case scenario, and while I will always hope for the best, it's been my policy to prepare for the worst.

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I had a J-Frame airweight 637 that I bought brand new the day I turned 21, but aside from that sentimental value I don't really miss it. I could never do much better than belly buster accuracy with it and it wasn't fun to shoot, being so light.

That's not to say I don't value revolvers, I have a Model 13 3" in the larger K frame that I just can't brag enough about. But the J wasn't a good fit for me.

I guess the closest thing in my carry lineup would be the Sig Sauer P238 that has 'replaced' it, caliber aside it all around works better for me than the 637 did even though it's quite a bit smaller. If I want to carry anything bigger than that I've got plenty of options in the Glock 19 size and up.

I've never had a ton of luck in the compact size category though, I had a Kahr CW9 that I absolutely loved aside from the fact I couldn't shoot it worth a ****.

Naturally these are just my experiences, everyone else's will differ and a J-Frame is a fantastic pistol if it works with you.
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I have. I used to carry a 649 quite often as my primary, thinking that 5 shots of .357 magnum would suffice.

Over the years I've read too many documented cases where a 5-6 shot revolver was *not* enough, and the good guy with the wheelgun lost the fight due to running out. (One such case involved the man who invented second chance vest---while delivering pizzas he emptied his 6 shot revolver, hitting 3 of his armed assailants, and after he ran dry, one of them shot him in the gut). There are *many* cases like this.

I therefore carry a Beretta 85FS with wood grips. It's a single stack .380, roughly the size and weight of my stainless J-frame, and holds 9 rounds with a very fast reload. That's *much* better than 5 shots with a slow reload. just my own preference.
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I bought a Sig P-938 a year and a half ago, and I really like it! I put in an aftermarket SS trigger to replace the plastic ****, which made a world of difference in the pull. Probably the sweetest little pocket pistol I've ever fired. It rides in the console of my vehicle. I'll never give up my wheelguns.
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Got to admit my daily carry is a Taurus TCP. I've tweaked and polished the action, then shot it at the range till I was comfortable it would go "BANG" every time I pull the trigger. It's just so slim and lightweight to just drop it in my pants pocket I never go out without it. I live in Central FL where it's always hot and minimal clothing is the rule, conceal options are few.
On the other hand, I go to the range once a week, sometimes more. Shooting for pleasure is always dominated by my wheelguns. From 38spl to 460 S&W Mag, my 35 year old Dillon 450 gets little time to gather any dust.
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