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Old 12-21-2023, 11:06 AM
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What is the consensus here on the S&W Forum ...

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Does the .38 Special offer a greater advantage than the .327 Magnum or .32 H&R Magnum in context of a snub nose revolver with a 2" or less?

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While there is nothing wrong a with 5 shot .38 Special, it seems to me that perhaps Smith & Wesson could start producing a 6 shot .327 Magnum J-frame because of it's greater versatility and "relative" stopping power compared to .38 Special. Absurd as it seems, why is Smith & Wesson lagging behind the times when it comes to offering this new caliber? It seems to me that Ruger is the leader in revolver caliber offerings as for concealed carry options. Why? or Why not? What's your take on this subject?

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Some aspects to consider:

1. For a lightweight alloy snub, what .32 family cartridge would give equal performance at equivalent recoil to the .38 wadcutter?

2. Many .38 revolvers are .357 revolvers, so you may be comparing against a 357 - maybe even one that he can shoot in his lever gun.

3. You don't want to invite 9mm or 30 Super Carry to the party?

My real opinion is, why not? Engineering is pretty much done, not that many parts changed, so it becomes a question of sales.
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Old 12-21-2023, 11:59 AM
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IMHO .38 special ammo has become a bit harder to find - at least in any descent selection. 32, or 327 magnum is even more difficult and I don't quite see any huge advantage, maybe 1 extra shot in some revolvers.

Aside from choosing a CCW gun for its performance and conceal-ability, one must also strongly consider the ammo availability, cost and selection available locally. Personally I have always stayed clear of what I call "money maker" calibers. By that I mean calibers invented mostly as a money making scheme. I truly don't see any need for the 327 magnum and many that have come and gone (or on their way out) such as 357 Sig, 17 rimfire, 357 Maximum, etc. To me it's just a ploy to get people to buy another gun and ammo at inflated prices. These calibers are needed like we need more inflation - they are just splitting hairs! IMHO there has not been a really significant new cartridge since the 40 S&W was introduced and that is also on its way out as many LE agency's have found it too stout for many of their Officers who can not handle the recoil and lack of accuracy because of it.

Right now the King of the Hill in handguns is the 9mm. While it wasn't always that way in America, the caliber has been improved so much over the last decade, the guns that handle it like the Micro 9's have improved so drastically, that it has now been toppling even the trued and true .38 special. yes, here on this Forum many still carry a 38 special, but look at who we are......

When at the Range every week, all the younger generation seems to be shooting in handguns for SD is 9mm, .380acp and a spattering of 45acp. My suggestion is when buying a new SD / HD / EDC gun, choose wisely and think about the ammo availability.
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In my opinion, which probably isn't worth much, chief38 nailed it right on the head. Sound advice!
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I am also inclined to go with Chief38 on this one.
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The 38 special offers NO advantage over a 327 Federal!
The 327 is more potent for a SD ammo. Heck most 380 ACP is better than 38 special but then we get into ammo wars!


I chronoed 327 Fed with 115 gr XTP at around 1200 fps from a 2" barrel

SW made the 632 Pro and Pro Comp with longer barrel and external hammer.

I have the 2 inch stainless 6 shot

Guess they did not sell enough
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I did not “want” to like Chief38’s analysis… but it is right on the mark. I’m struggling with the modernization. I think my recently acquired LC9 (not 9S) may be replacing my M38. Heaven forbid I’m forced to change “JF” to “LC” in my user name.
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I believe one needs to look at why they are carrying a handgun to begin with , for me its two reasons first presence in any conflict your presence is a huge factor and this of course includes drawing a gun.Most people (bad guys) are like water they will take the path of least resistance which means not screwing with the person who has a gun. Second for me is to create space to run a way , if I am up against a seal team or 5 armed thugs I am not sure the 13rds of 9mm compared to 5 shots of 357cal will make much differnce for the record I love the 32 as well and wish s&w would bring a 6 shot j frame back. My point to all this I think ppl way over think ccw , just having one is the first step it is in my opinion like having insurance , its something I have that I hope I never need to use! I often wonder if ppl put as much thought into the flashlight , pocket knife or other edc items they should be carrying on a daily bases?
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LE changing from 40 to 9 because of recoil was less of a factor for us than ammo availability. On top of that while we were researching duty ammo choices I read where it was becoming increasingly difficult for medical examiners to tell the difference in wound channels from 9mm .40SW and .45 ACP as bullet design and velocity improves.
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When I was forced to use my department issued .38 it did the job so that’s what I stay with in retirement. As to those other calibers some may be hard to find & expensive, impacting range time.
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I don't ever expect to find myself in a "movie" gunfight. Me against a SWAT Team, or against a Columbian cartel. No, I carry because I work in the bad neighborhoods of a dangerous city and there's always a sketchy character around.

In my opinion ANY handgun caliber will do what I carry for. Any junkie or 15yo "wanna be" gangster will think twice when I draw on him in self defense. They're looking for EASY victims.
And If I actually need to fire, my .38+P vs your .327 vs his 9mm really doesn't matter....
The bad guy is either running, crying or dying. Geeking out on ballistic gel results is irrelevant in 5' real-world self defense situations.
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Carry and shoot what you shoot well. If you can't make all all your shots into a 5X on a B27 target at 3 yards in about 3 seconds, then go back to the drawing boards and find something to shoot so you can. Practice, practice, practice!!!
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A timely discussion, as I just saw a Ruger.327 for sale the other day, and was tempted. Of course they didn't have any.327 ammo in stock, which is always what stopped me before. On the plus side, there are other.32 ammo options, at least for practice. So I'm still on the fence, probably like a lot of others, which is why S&W is in no hurry to revisit the .327 mag.
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There's a reason it called "Guns & Ammo"
............one is no good without the other.

If you want a .32 magnum go for it .... but recommend you buy and stack your "stash" deep!
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There's a reason it called "Guns & Ammo"
............one is no good without the other.

If you want a .32 magnum go for it .... but recommend you buy and stack your "stash" deep!
Or reload as I do....
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For the average shooter the .327 is no fun to shoot in a small revolver. I owned both the S&W 632-1 and Ruger LCR. Sold the Smith, still have the Ruger because I have other .32 cal ammo that I can shoot in it.
But the .327 is a hoot to shoot in a Ruger Blackhawk!
I'll stick with .38 in a J frame.
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As much as I love revolvers, I think they are falling out of favor. Kids now-a-days learn shoot-em-up video games rather than Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians. Those influences are reflected in what they buy when they get old enough to participate in our sport.
So no. I don't think 32 revolvers would be very marketable.
But that's not what the OP asked.
The manager at Farm and Home got surly when I asked if they could get a Taurus 32 for me.
They have a good number of Taurus 38's under the glass.

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38 is what i carry.
Its a plus that i shoot it in bullseye and reload too.
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I would never make a decision for a Personal Protection gun because of the availability of ammunition right now.

Things were different with ammunition availability ten years ago and things will be different ten years from now. If you buy two cases of practice ammunition and one case of Personal Defense ammunition at the time you purchase your sidearm, you are probably set for life.

If like myself, AJ and Amp you are a hand loader, ammunition availability is a non-issue

Neither of these cartridges are significantly different in stopping power so buy the firearm that you are comfortable with and can shoot well. That is a FAR more Important issue

A difference of one round in either direction is not a game changer.
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I agree with chief38...

Carry what you can conceal and shoot well.
Let's face it.
Two rounds in some Mope's 10 ring is
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.38 Spl offers an advantage in ammo availability. But .32 will get you an extra round and seems to be ballistically better in Gel. Assuming you can handle the recoil and make acceptable follow-up shots. Which is why most people don't choose to carry .357 mag in their 2 inchers. Shoot, even shooting +P .38 in an alloy frame will give most people more blast and recoil than they want.

A .32 is on my short list if I ever see one in the wild.

I think the best compromise between size and weight right now is the Kimber K6xs. A legit 2" barrel, 6 shots of .38 Spl., and only slightly bigger & 1.5 oz heavier than a J frame.

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I would never make a decision for a Personal Protection gun because of the availability of ammunition right now.

Things were different with ammunition availability ten years ago and things will be different ten years from now. If you buy two cases of practice ammunition and one case of Personal Defense ammunition at the time you purchase your sidearm, you are probably set for life.

If like myself, AJ and Amp you are a hand loader, ammunition availability is a non-issue

Neither of these cartridges are significantly different in stopping power so buy the firearm that you are comfortable with and can shoot well. That is a FAR more Important issue

A difference of one round in either direction is not a game changer.
For the most part I agree, but pick the 32 magnum for the extra round if both come up equal for you in other factors.

Also, fwiw, I concur and do not believe one must practice all of the time with the ammo you carry for self defense.
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What I'd really like is an I-frame in 9mm(with moon clips), a modern Terrier if you will. Next would be an I-frame, but with the metallurgy improved so you could use .327mag (or at least 327 Fed, that's enough).
Do I think there's any chance S&W would release such a thing? Not a chance.
I'd switch from a J-frame to one of those tiny little .380ACP pocket guns if I could find one I can shoot as well as the J....
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For the most part I agree, but pick the 32 magnum for the extra round if both come up equal for you in other factors.

Also, fwiw, I concur and do not believe one must practice all of the time with the ammo you carry for self defense.

I concur with both and disagree with one point. I carry the .32 H&R Mag. as it is more controllable to me. I believe that to be a very good shot that you need to practice. Maybe not with your carry piece all the time, but with a handgun of some sort on a regular basis.
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I concur with both and disagree with one point. I carry the .32 H&R Mag. as it is more controllable to me. I believe that to be a very good shot that you need to practice. Maybe not with your carry piece all the time, but with a handgun of some sort on a regular basis.
AJ,
You are one of the exceptions. Also you have a fantastic Shooting Facility available to you in Indian River County.

Unfortunately the Vast Majority of folks that buy a firearm for Personal Protection are not worried about being a Very Good Shot
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Thanks to all the feedback here. As always, much appreciated. For the most part, I have considered buying myself an AirLite or Airweight .32 caliber J-Frame vs Ruger's LCR(x)'s .327 Magnum model. I like the Ruger very well, but I prefer the Smith & Wesson J frame. I like the idea of a 6 shot revolver vs 5 shot, but it's not really much of a difference per se' and yes, I still value shot placement over ammo capacity. Does one round difference, make one any safer? What are the odds of having 6 shot over 5 shot capacity going to make a life and death difference? I don't think that question will ever be fully resolved. Too many unknown variables. But, given a choice, then the 6 shot to me is the logical choice.

Yes, I agree that the 9mm is the king of the hill now and times have changed fast forward to 2023. And yes, I do own semi-autos, but I prefer to carry a 5 shot j frame instead. I love the simplicity and it's capabilities. They all fit very well, and and are super easy to carry and conceal. For the most part, I have reconsidered my carry needs thanks to all members here on the forum. As a result, I am no longer a staunch .357 advocate for my AirLite Ti models... with respect to EDC. Yes, I am eating crow, but I am grateful for the criticisms of my past posts. I am glad that I took the time to reflect. I digress. Once again, I find myself reflecting to the responses posted.

In the meantime, I will continue the search for the elusive S&W Airlite Ti chambered in .32 H&R.

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When I became a Policeman we were issued revolvers and 38 Special 158 grain LRN. It got the job done and of course we embraced the +P and JHPs when they became popular.

Now a few years ago when I went in for my LEOSA Qualification the Rangemasters talked me into trying out the Glock pistols. So I do have a Glock 19 now.
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Modern terminal ballistics have shown surprisingly little difference in the lethality of most handgun calibers.
It may come down to:
The .38 is much easier to find ammunition for and possibly is less expensive as well.
The .32-.327 may offer an additional round in the same gun frame.

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You are one of the exceptions. Also you have a fantastic Shooting Facility available to you in Indian River County.

Unfortunately the Vast Majority of folks that buy a firearm for Personal Protection are not worried about being a Very Good Shot
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Thank you for the kind words. Yes, the Indian River Shooting Range is a good place to shoot. Was there this morning shooting a S&W 610-3 and a Ruger SR1911 10MM.

I think you are correct that the vast majority are not worried about being a good shot. Most think that they can shoot and be like the actors on TV and never miss.

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Modern terminal ballistics have shown surprisingly little difference in the lethality of most handgun calibers.
It may come down to:
The .38 is much easier to find ammunition for and maybe is less expensive.
The .32-.327 may offer an additional round in the same gun frame.
Power can be a factor in choice of caliber for some. However, it is shot placement that is king. Hit the assailant in the leg with a large caliber round and they will probably go down, but may still be in the fight. Hit them in the vitals and they should go down and be out of the fight. Shot placement!!!
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INDEED: Shot placement is KING! While my EDC is a M60-? with .357 chambered and speed loaders chambered in 38 spl. for reloads due to the short distance from grip to chamber, my wife carries in her airline carry on bag size purse a SAR9 semi auto. My disabled step daughter carries a .22 semi auto.


Why? In my case at 5'6-125 lbs. it's difficult to conceal anything larger. In my wife's case, she could conceal a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. In my disabled daughter's case: it's what she can handle. SHE is the most vulnerable.



I need to take HER to the range more often (as an excuse for ME to get to the range more often).

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I believe it was Wyatt Earp who said “Speed is fine, accuracy is Final…”. Bottom line,no matter the power or quantity of ammo, if you can’t hit accurately ALL the time with it, it’s not doing you much good. Find a weapon/caliber you can shoot, then practice, practice, and practice some more. Marksmanship is a perishable still. If you don’t work to maintain it you WILL lose it. The guy that shoots 50 rds once a year is NOT the same as the guy who shoots 100/week. The latter will be far more effective even if his is a .22 than the .45 shot annually. I like a .32, and I’d buy a J frame in .327 if I could find one. I’d also reload for it and shoot it a lot. The ammo issue alone would make this tough, and prohibitively expensive,if you don’t roll your own.
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I do reload and shoot this a lot. It is my most carried firearm.

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Nice! Now if I can find one for the $300.00 I paid for my 30-1 and the reamer I borrowed to turn it into a .32 H&R Magnum. Thought about reaming it out to .327 at one point. Was not sure if it was ok to do so, so did not.
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I believe it was Wyatt Earp who said “Speed is fine, accuracy is Final…”. Bottom line,no matter the power or quantity of ammo, if you can’t hit accurately ALL the time with it, it’s not doing you much good. Find a weapon/caliber you can shoot, then practice, practice, and practice some more. Marksmanship is a perishable still. If you don’t work to maintain it you WILL lose it. The guy that shoots 50 rds once a year is NOT the same as the guy who shoots 100/week. The latter will be far more effective even if his is a .22 than the .45 shot annually. I like a .32, and I’d buy a J frame in .327 if I could find one. I’d also reload for it and shoot it a lot. The ammo issue alone would make this tough, and prohibitively expensive,if you don’t roll your own.

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I'm in that 100% agreement category with chief38. Not a fan of the designer calibers either. Inventing a solution for a problem that doesn't exist is what it comes down to.

Of course I'm biased in favor of .38 special because I've been carrying one for fifty years. While I won't be around I have to wonder about the longevity of the .32 magnums. .38 Spl. 125 years and still going strong.
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Of course I'm biased in favor of .38 special because I've been carrying one for fifty years. While I won't be around I have to wonder about the longevity of the .32 magnums. .38 Spl. 125 years and still going strong.
Remember that most police forces in Europe carried .32's before the 9MM became the round of choice. Even some of our police forces carried .32's around the turn of the century.
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If you could routinely and reliably find 327Mag defensive ammo, then I'd be all for a six-shot j-frame in that caliber. But you can't, so that decision largely makes itself.
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Nice! Now if I can find one for the $300.00 I paid for my 30-1 and the reamer I borrowed to turn it into a .32 H&R Magnum. Thought about reaming it out to .327 at one point. Was not sure if it was ok to do so, so did not.
You'll never find one like mine for $300. As to the 30-1, I have a 31-1 that I reamed to 32 H&R Mag also BUT absolutely do NOT ream one of them to 327 because the pressure will destroy your gun and hand for sure. There are a lot of 3" SP 101s on GB for $700 though.
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The .32-.327 may offer an additional round in the same gun frame.
Great point.

When I was a cop I knew a few others who carried a .32 S&W snubby instead of the .38 S&W snubby for the extra round. I bought the Colt Detective Special and got an extra round of .38 Special.
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I'm in that 100% agreement category with chief38. Not a fan of the designer calibers either. Inventing a solution for a problem that doesn't exist is what it comes down to.

Of course I'm biased in favor of .38 special because I've been carrying one for fifty years. While I won't be around I have to wonder about the longevity of the .32 magnums. .38 Spl. 125 years and still going strong.
Spot on Sarge!

I am in favor of the .38 Special too. I have been to plenty of shootings in Los Angeles and in snubnose revolver you want at least .38 Special.
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If you could routinely and reliably find 327Mag defensive ammo, then I'd be all for a six-shot j-frame in that caliber. But you can't, so that decision largely makes itself.
I look at it differently. 32 S&W Long is one of the most popular international target rounds, and is easy to order in bulk (if you don’t reload) for practice. You can buy a life time supply of 32H&R and 327 Federal for carry purpose since you won’t be using much of it (and replenish at will if you reload.)
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Spot on Sarge!

I am in favor of the .38 Special too. I have been to plenty of shootings in Los Angeles and in snubnose revolver you want at least .38 Special.
When I was in L.A., I was authorized to carry anything I wanted. Usually it was an M1911A1.
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S&W has repeatedly shown they would rather piss down their own leg than respond to their customers. They spent time and money to develop the 30 SC to get a gun that has more capacity and less recoil. They build all manner of easy rack autos for older shooters. Please tell me that today re-releasing a 6 shot 32 j frame wouldn’t be a hit. The ammo companies would respond just like they did with the 30 SC if the guns were available. R&D cost is zero since they already made the dang gun before. Instead they let Kimber eat their lunch with a true 6 shot lightweight revolver with decent sights. I can’t find a K6XS to buy because they sell as fast as they hit the counter. Revolvers aren’t dead, Colt has proven that, but selling the same rudimentary J frame for the past 50 years ain’t helping. Retro is way.
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Then you remember when Compton PD authorized .44 Magnum for on duty carry? Dirty Harry was based on one of their Detectives. In 1971 no one would watch a movie set in Compton but San Francisco, bingo! (SFPD did authorize the .41 Magnum)

A lot of the smaller Departments, Culver City, Torrance, Long Beach, Pomona and others have a long history of 1911s as duty pistols. Plus others who allow the off duty carry of 1911s. Eventually I carry a Colt Government off duty and eventually it was approved for on duty.
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Instead they let Kimber eat their lunch with a true 6 shot lightweight revolver with decent sights. I can’t find a K6XS to buy because they sell as fast as they hit the counter. Revolvers aren’t dead …
Put a deposit down at your LGS for a K6XS. It’s a $1200 snubby.

Revolvers are a niche. I like them because of the nostalgia but my children do not own a revolver or interested in any I have.
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If you could routinely and reliably find 327Mag defensive ammo, then I'd be all for a six-shot j-frame in that caliber. But you can't, so that decision largely makes itself.
Spoken like someone rationalizing owning only one gun and/or caliber. Where is the fun in that.
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Put a deposit down at your LGS for a K6XS. It’s a $1200 snubby.

Revolvers are a niche. I like them because of the nostalgia but my children do not own a revolver or interested in any I have.
Lots of them on GB right now. Some at $659 at Buy Now.
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