CCW with no LTC

hogwylde · Mar 11, 2014

This isn't what you're thinking!

If one is driving and gets pulled over for a minor traffic infraction but you don't have your license because you left your wallet at home, it's generally not a big deal as they just look you up in the system and can see the status of your driving privileges.

But what if you are carrying concealed and you don't have your permit with you because it's in the same wallet back at home? Is there a penalty/fine for that? I spoke to a cop yesterday and he said that he had no way to check an LTC permit from his cruiser and would have to take the weapon back to the station until I presented my permit.

Jaysq · Mar 11, 2014

This would depend on where you are. In some states you can have a gun in the car without a CCW. However getting stopped and not any any ID and a gun in the car might change the playing field.

In NC you can have a gun in plain sight in your car without a CCW. A friend of mine was going to a beach in SC and got pull over by the police and the gun was there in plain sight and it took him forever just to get out of jail.

It seems in SC you have to have them in the glove box or console, if you do not have a CCW.

Badquaker · Mar 11, 2014

Not a problem in Texas. Your vehicle is an extension of your home, and no permit is required to posses a gun in your car.

usm1rifle · Mar 11, 2014

In Minnesota, not having your permit and identification while carrying is a much more serious offense than driving without your license. You would very likely be charged and detained until they could verify it or you posted bond. If it happened at night, it could be the next business day before you would be bonded out. Friday night could mean a weekend locked up.

hogwylde · Mar 11, 2014

I am in Massachusetts and you need a permit (either Class A or B) to transport a firearm but I cannot find what the penalty is if you don't have it on you. The search continues....

Jim1392 · Mar 11, 2014

Jaysq said:
This would depend on where you are. In some states you can have a gun in the car without a CCW. However getting stopped and not any any ID and a gun in the car might change the playing field.

In NC you can have a gun in plain sight in your car without a CCW. A friend of mine was going to a beach in SC and got pull over by the police and the gun was there in plain sight and it took him forever just to get out of jail. It seems in SC you have to have them in the glove box or console, if you do not have a CCW.

It's my understanding from my CCW class that here in NC your CCW is linked to your drivers license number. So if you get stopped and they run your license they will know you have a CCW.

Kanewpadle · Mar 11, 2014

Any way you look at it, irresponsibility will get you in trouble.

hogwylde · Mar 11, 2014

Kanewpadle said:
Any way you look at it, irresponsibility will get you in trouble.

I understand your point but I don't think forgetting your wallet equates to irresponsibility.

BTHG · Mar 11, 2014

hogwylde said:
I am in Massachusetts and you need a permit (either Class A or B) to transport a firearm but I cannot find what the penalty is if you don't have it on you. The search continues....

Might burn us at the stake....

rlongclu · Mar 11, 2014

hogwylde said:
I understand your point but I don't think forgetting your wallet equates to irresponsibility.

Let's see. You are driving without a driver's license, you commit a moving violation, you're carrying a loaded handgun without your license and that's NOT irresponsible? Really?

hogwylde · Mar 11, 2014

rlongclu said:
Let's see. You are driving without a driver's license, you commit a moving violation, you're carrying a loaded handgun without your license and that's NOT irresponsible? Really?

Correct. You may have erred but it does not equate being irresponsible. What if you had your wallet but it fell out at home when you got out of your chair and you didn't realize it? Are you still irresponsible?

Irresponsible is leaving your minor kids home alone while you go drink/gamble.

Irresponsible is leaving your pet in a 100+ degree car while you shop for 3 hours.

Irresponsible is leaving your gun out where anybody can grab it.

Having your gun in your possession but having FORGOTTEN your WALLET is not being irresponsible IMO.

Hodgin · Mar 11, 2014

In TN a DL and CL are linked. When the trooper runs the driver's license he will see the carry license. However, the law is that both have to be with you when your driving and carrying. Don't know what happens if you forgot but my guess is that there would be at least a fine. Probably depend on where it happened.

NE450No2 · Mar 11, 2014

Also in Texas the fact you have a CHL will be indicated on a DL check.

Your DL does not have your CHL number on it, BUT your CHL does have your DL number on it.

hogwylde · Mar 12, 2014

Hodgin said:
In TN a DL and CL are linked. When the trooper runs the driver's license he will see the carry license. However, the law is that both have to be with you when your driving and carrying. Don't know what happens if you forgot but my guess is that there would be at least a fine. Probably depend on where it happened.

That is what I am trying to find out in Massachusetts.

Kanewpadle · Mar 12, 2014

hogwylde said:
I understand your point but I don't think forgetting your wallet equates to irresponsibility.

Sorry but I disagree. If you're going to carry responsibly, you don't forget your wallet. You don't forget your permit. You don't forget to renew your drivers license or car insurance.

If/when you get pulled over, cops don't care WHY. Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. Neither is forgetfulness.

Hill_Country · Mar 12, 2014

The Texas CHL law says you have to carry your license, but a couple of years ago they removed the penalty for not doing so.

jimmyj · Mar 12, 2014

Depending on the region and Officer. If the Officer is a old time street cop-no big deal. If the Officer is a "Newbie" hot shot-than you might have a problem.
*** If you are inside your vehicle--I don't see a problem unless you admit you are "Carrying". I made it a habit to consider everyone was armed on a Traffic Stop.

Texas40 · Mar 12, 2014

Badquaker said:
Not a problem in Texas. Your vehicle is an extension of your home, and no permit is required to posses a gun in your car.

As long as it is "in the car" and not on your person its not a problem.
As above in TX you are required to have permit on you if the firearm is on you.

Protected One · Mar 12, 2014

Get a copy of your states Firearm Laws. It was issued to me when I finished the paperwork for my cpl application, but your state may operate differently. It should (I would think) be on the states website.

I'm surprised that the law can't tell if you have a cpl during a traffic stop. Here in Michigan it's the 2nd line that comes up when a plate is run. The fine (1st occurance) is $100 here.

And Yes, it is irresponsible to carry without your card on you. Whether or not you did something on purpose is not the deciding factor. Responsible means taking care of the things that are your responsibility. Irresponsible, is NOT doing so. So unless you want to argue that you aren't responsible for keeping your card on you when you carry...?

stc1 · Mar 12, 2014

It depends on the state. Here in Michigan We are responsible to Always have our CPL when carrying concealed:

Proper Conduct During Encounters with Police

Responsibilities of Individuals With a Concealed Pistol License:
An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol who is stopped by a police officer (traffic stop or otherwise) while in possession of a pistol shall immediately disclose to the police officer that he or she is carrying a concealed pistol either on their person or in their motor vehicle.
Failure to disclose this information to a police officer carries the following penalties:
First offense = State Civil Infraction - $500 fine and 6-month CPL license suspension.
Second offense = State Civil Infraction - $1000 fine and CPL license revocation.
An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall have the license in his or her possession at all times he or she is carrying a concealed pistol.
Failure to possess CPL license when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and a $100.00 fine.
Upon request, an individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall show both of the following to a police officer:
His or her license to carry a concealed pistol
His or her driver license or personal identification card
Failure to show CPL license and Michigan driver license or Michigan personal identification card when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and $100.00 fine.
A pistol carried in violation of numbers 1, 2, or 3 is subject to immediate seizure by a police officer.
If a pistol is seized for failure to possess a CPL while carrying a concealed pistol:
Individual has 45 days in which to display their license to carry a concealed pistol to the law enforcement agency that seized the pistol and the pistol shall be returned.
If the individual does not display their license to carry a concealed pistol within 45 days the pistol is subject to forfeiture.

It is important to know the laws in your state and also in states you may travel to.

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