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As others have stated, and I have posted earlier evil can show up any where, any time, and does not announce.
I have posted previously I am dealing with unexpected visitors. I have folks to prison and they were not happy about it.
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When I started this thread I focused on the wrong thing having a gun in your hand, what I was trying to point out was the opening the door thing.
My point is armed or not if you open the door you’re giving the (potential) bad guy an entry to your home that he wouldn’t have had and possibly setting yourself up for a fight that could have easily been avoided or happened with you at a much greater advantage because while the bad guy is trying to beat down your door and you’re taking cover and getting into good supported firing position and getting the cops on the horn.
I said up thread that I used to be one of those meat salesmen; I didn’t do it long because it’s basically Amway with a truck but I did it long enough to see that the guys that made money on it were the ones that got you to open your door and did not leave until you bought something.Plus the guys that I saw that did it for a living weren’t above a little petty thievery so why let them see what you have?
For salesmen my rule is they knock, I ask who it is and as soon as they say “I’m selling whatever” I say “Not interested, have a nice day.” The first rule of sales is to keep the conversation going, pretty hard to do with a closed door.
So leaving the gun completely out of the equation my question is why open the door?
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Smoke, I get your point, appreciate it, and agree with it.
However, I will admit that I have been a bit amused by your exasperation on how this thread has turned. This is after all a gun forum, so don't be surprised if most of the answers turn out as they have with guys talking about their guns. Perhaps if you posted this question on the Anderson Window and Doors Forum, you won't get quite so many armed citizens answering the door.
This will probably stir up the pot even more, but I was wondering about the possible legal ramifications of answering the door with a loaded gun. I am sure this would vary regionally and I realize most people said they have their gun hidden behind their back but there might be some scenarios in which you could be in legal jeopardy. For example, what if the police are at your door, conducting a house to house search for a dangerous criminal. Yes I realize this is unlikely, but didn't it happen in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon Bombing.
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If you ignore the sign that says
Absolutely NO TRESPASSING
I don't want to buy anything or upgrade my cable.
I don't want to hear about your political party, candidate or sign your petition.
I am not interested in your religion, my salvation or your God.
If you do not have a Warrant you are TRESPASSING and will be dealt with accordingly.
Failure to read, speak and understand English may affect your ability to get treatment at the Emergency Room.
Then there are the security cameras. 6 of them. 4 I can see from my easy chair. 2 I can see from my shop in the garage.
When I wake up, I gun up, and I stay that way until I undress for bed. It never used to be this way, but we had a criminal enterprise move in to the last house on our little street about a year and a half ago. I have photos of them shooting up right in front of my home. 3 of 5 houses on our street have been burglarized. All of them have been vandalized. The police from another town raided the house last August and arrested 3 of the 10 people that go in or out of there each day. Two were charged with 17 and 21 counts of burglary. One with 4 counts. It didn't even slow them down. 6 to 10 cars a night drive in, don't even turn off the engine and then 5 minutes later, drive out. We find needles on the street. I've supplied the police with photos of them dealing, license plate numbers, surveillance video and even offered them my garage to set up surveillance. Maybe they are building a case against them, but so far, we live every day in fear that when we get home from work, out house will again be broken into.
Yeah, you knock on my door, and I don't know who you are, I will answer it with a gun in my hand. Not holstered and not out of sight. If that makes you pee your pants, wear an adult diaper if you are going to go door to door on my street. We gave up on the Neighborhood Watch nonsense and formed a Neighborhood Militia.
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Sounds like you have had enough. I won't move somewhere else because the problems are spreading. I see recycled criminals every time one publication comes out who commit
new burglaries, new crimes, new crimes of violence. The jails are full. The police can arrest them but the justice system turns them loose. I can't fix the problems.
But I will not warn anyone that I am home, I will not announce
that I am calling the police. I will deal with any problems that
break through my door, I will not replace the door since I rent
an apartment and I don't own it. I would rather not announce
to one that I am not home and have him come back tomorrow and burglarize my house when I don't announce next time.
So if the criminals won't to play Russian roulette, that's their
problem. Yes I might have to go in front of a grand jury but I will not be a victim just so the justice system can recycle them,
profit from bonding them in and out of jail repetitively, and while they keep turning them loose to prey upon the weak.
I am thankful for the laws we have in Texas and I am unwilling
to move to any other state. One way in, one way out, and if
the door comes down, whoever takes it down will go down with the door.
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Sounds like some of you guys need to join me out here in a small mountain town in West Virginia.
Since I do custom leatherwork it's not uncommon for some hillbilly to come knocking on my door carrying guns and knives. Generally I expect them. Either they we referred to me by somebody else I've done work for or they got one of my cards at one of the area fairs and festivals I set up at.
We also get young entrepreneurs asking if the could shovel snow off our walk or mow our lawn.
I don't feel compelled to answer or open the door with a gun in my hand.
Violent crime here is nearly non-existent and we have many retired and disabled people in town. There are young people here but they were brought up and disciplined in an 'old school' fashion.
People do business face to face and a handshake still means something.
I've said it before, give me a 'backward' small West Virginia town any day over the big city.
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However, I will admit that I have been a bit amused by your exasperation on how this thread has turned.
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This will probably stir up the pot even more, but I was wondering about the possible legal ramifications of answering the door with a loaded gun. I am sure this would vary regionally and I realize most people said they have their gun hidden behind their back but there might be some scenarios in which you could be in legal jeopardy. For example, what if the police are at your door, conducting a house to house search for a dangerous criminal. Yes I realize this is unlikely, but didn't it happen in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon Bombing.
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I am not likely to feel threatened by uniformed police coming to the door, so that part is no biggy. And most of them would also answer the door armed, so also no biggy.
As for the other portion, there is usually a defense in state law, either by statute or case law. For example, here in WA, we have: RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
(2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1) of this section, the person shall lose his or her concealed pistol license, if any. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license.
(3) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to or affect the following:
(a) Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business;
(b) Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty;
(c) Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of such unlawful force by a third person;
(d) Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony; or
(e) Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments.
This is a complete defense, not an affirmative defense, so the conduct is completely lawful. An LEO taking action against a person whose conduct is covered by this statute would be in a really bad jam. Besides that - address safety first; litigate later.
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This will probably stir up the pot even more, but I was wondering about the possible legal ramifications of answering the door with a loaded gun. I am sure this would vary regionally and I realize most people said they have their gun hidden behind their back but there might be some scenarios in which you could be in legal jeopardy. For example, what if the police are at your door, conducting a house to house search for a dangerous criminal. Yes I realize this is unlikely, but didn't it happen in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon Bombing.
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In Ohio, if you're not a prohibited person, it has NO "legal ramifications".
And I've had the police come to my door sans warrant. The door stayed closed and them on the opposite side.
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Sounds like some of you guys need to join me out here in a small mountain town in West Virginia.
Since I do custom leatherwork it's not uncommon for some hillbilly to come knocking on my door carrying guns and knives. Generally I expect them. Either they we referred to me by somebody else I've done work for or they got one of my cards at one of the area fairs and festivals I set up at.
We also get young entrepreneurs asking if the could shovel snow off our walk or mow our lawn.
I don't feel compelled to answer or open the door with a gun in my hand.
Violent crime here is nearly non-existent and we have many retired and disabled people in town. There are young people here but they were brought up and disciplined in an 'old school' fashion.
People do business face to face and a handshake still means something.
I've said it before, give me a 'backward' small West Virginia town any day over the big city.
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Sounds like a little bit of heaven. My wife's ancestors came from Ripley, and we hope to visit WV when she is well enough, I would also like to visit Wayne Novak's shop. Are you in the Northern or Eastern Panhandle?
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My two large dogs like to help me answer the door. I can view whoever it is and decide if I want to open or not. I live a neighborhood with mostly military people, many are SEAL operators, so home invasion is a good way to get killed around here. Never been one of those in the fifteen years we have lived here. Burglaries are also very uncommon. If I looked out there and the people looked suspicious and refused to leave, its time to call PD.
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I'm always armed, so whenever I answer the door I'm armed.
The default position is in its holster. It's probably a good idea not to open the door to strangers.
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I don't mind opening the door, because it's fronted with a locked steel security door that I can talk through with no probable danger of a "home invasion"-type scenario unless someone has an RPG. ...and I'm within a few seconds of reaching a very intimidating firearm.
(That is if we both can hear each other with my pit bull growling, barking, snarling and jumping at the door.... He doesn't like strangers much, if at all.)
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If you ignore the sign that says
Absolutely NO TRESPASSING
I don't want to buy anything or upgrade my cable.
I don't want to hear about your political party, candidate or sign your petition.
I am not interested in your religion, my salvation or your God.
If you do not have a Warrant you are TRESPASSING and will be dealt with accordingly.
Failure to read, speak and understand English may affect your ability to get treatment at the Emergency Room.
Then there are the security cameras. 6 of them. 4 I can see from my easy chair. 2 I can see from my shop in the garage.
When I wake up, I gun up, and I stay that way until I undress for bed. It never used to be this way, but we had a criminal enterprise move in to the last house on our little street about a year and a half ago. I have photos of them shooting up right in front of my home. 3 of 5 houses on our street have been burglarized. All of them have been vandalized. The police from another town raided the house last August and arrested 3 of the 10 people that go in or out of there each day. Two were charged with 17 and 21 counts of burglary. One with 4 counts. It didn't even slow them down. 6 to 10 cars a night drive in, don't even turn off the engine and then 5 minutes later, drive out. We find needles on the street. I've supplied the police with photos of them dealing, license plate numbers, surveillance video and even offered them my garage to set up surveillance. Maybe they are building a case against them, but so far, we live every day in fear that when we get home from work, out house will again be broken into.
Yeah, you knock on my door, and I don't know who you are, I will answer it with a gun in my hand. Not holstered and not out of sight. If that makes you pee your pants, wear an adult diaper if you are going to go door to door on my street. We gave up on the Neighborhood Watch nonsense and formed a Neighborhood Militia.
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All I can say is.... WOW!!!
Well, do what you have to do man. And be safe.
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All I can say is.... WOW!!!
Well, do what you have to do man. And be safe.
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"WOW!!!", indeed. I don't think I could live that way, but to each his own.
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Well I own my home. The idiots at the end of the street moved in a year and half ago. I'm not selling and I'm not moving.
This was shot at 7 am on July 3rd last year, right in front of our home from my upstairs window. The police were given the plate number, the video tape that showed her coming out of the home, walking to the car and getting in. I also gave them the photo. No action was taken on their part. So you do what you have to do to protect your family, your property and your peace of mind.
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Why not contact local media, i.e., TV stations and/or newspapers? They might show more interest than the police. Or contact the District Attorney's office and tell them that if they won't do something, you WILL go to the media as well as supporting the next opponent they face in an election. Don't give up so easily.
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i carry, all the time, everywhere i go (withing the bounds of the law)
if i dont recognize the person at the door i use caution. although my firearm may not be in my hand. my hand is by where it is holstered and ready to draw need be.
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So you do what you have to do to protect your family, your property and your peace of mind.
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I agree that you should do this. However, it does bring us back to the OP's original question, and this is a perfect example, if you have to have a gun in your hand when you open the door, why open it at all?
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For some reason, we get door-to-door panhandlers in our out-of-the-way neighborhood. One day it was even a lady with two kids in a stroller. We are two miles from a main thoroughfare. I do not understand how they get here, they are not welcomed. We had a neighboring house that was used as a drug lab for six weeks then turned into a hazmat site.
I have a heavy metal screen door set in a metal frame. It stays locked. My kids know not to open the door and talk to anyone knocking. I don't mind being rude and closing the door in people's face. My wife likes to say "you've got to give them a reason!" No, I don't, they were not invited. (I hang up on people on the phone all the time as well).
My plan is to block problems from entering the house. If someone overcomes the active blocks I have in place it will be evidence of their intent to do evil.
I will check who is at the door, however, because we have members of our congregation who come by for church business regularly. The gun in my hand quickly goes in my pants pocket as I unlock the door to let them in. They never notice and, thus, are never insulted by my carrying.
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I can give you one good reason to answer the door, at least where I live. If you don't, you are setting yourself up for a burglary that will turn into a home invasion.
Here's how it works, and as a Police Officer, I am sure you know this.
They knock on your door. Usually it is during the day. If someone answers they come up with something lame. Like asking for directions or if you need work done around your home.
If no one answers, they slip around back, try the back door, try the windows, and if they find something open, your home gets burglarized.
Now, if you ARE home and don't answer the door, and the bad guy comes in, you have a highly volatile situation on your hands.
It's better, at least in my mind, to let them know in no uncertain terms that the anti gun neighbor is a much better target for them than my home is ever going to be.
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If I didn't invite you over, or if you're not a known friend/neighbor, or the UPS/FEDEX/etc guy, then I'm not even going to bother answering the door. Solves the "do you answer the door with your piece" conundrum really well, I think.
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I can give you one good reason to answer the door, at least where I live. If you don't, you are setting yourself up for a burglary that will turn into a home invasion.
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This is indeed a proven technique to discover if someone is home. It happens at night as well as during the day.
In Utah this happened and ended up in the death of a teenager. Two teens went to a neighbors house and knocked on the door around midnight. The owner didn't turn on any lights when he went to check the door. By the time he got their, the kids were gone.
I guess the kids left thinking no one was home. They returned about two hours later and tried to break in the back door. This time the owner was already up and shot at the kids. One of them made it around the house and to the middle of the street before he died. I don't remember what happened to the other.
Anyway, had the owner turned on a light or been able to get to the door quicker, this all would have been avoided. Of course the kids probably would have just tried to rob someone else that same night.
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I view that as an evolutionary positive. The one thing that would have prevented that shooting was the criminals not trying to commit the crime. The only thing that was changed by the homeowner not being perceived as being home is that someone else, maybe less prepared, was not victimized. Pigs will fly before I think such a shooting was a bad thing. American LE and private citizens do not shoot nearly as many offenders as they should.
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They returned about two hours later and tried to break in the back door. This time the owner was already up and shot at the kids. One of them made it around the house and to the middle of the street before he died. I don't remember what happened to the other.
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I have no problem with this out come, but both criminals DRT would have been better.
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I'M sure the chic was a diabetic, or was about to get some Rhino tranquilizer.
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I can give you one good reason to answer the door, at least where I live. If you don't, you are setting yourself up for a burglary that will turn into a home invasion.
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I understand that. Maybe you want to stand behind the door and tell them you are not interested. I want to stand there eyeball to eyeball and show them I'm not interested. It is not against the law in NH to display a firearm to a trespasser on your legally posted property. The call it the Ward Bird Law. A man was convicted of criminal threatening when he brandished a pistol when a trespasser refused to leave after ignoring signs and being asked and told to leave several times. After that, they made it legal to show a weapon to "convince" trespassers to leave. I said SHOW not point at.
The point I am making is I want these dirt bags to get the message and spread the word to their scumbag friends. I'm not going to be a victim and I am not going to hide and cower behind the walls and doors of my own home. I've done what I think is prudent. I've spent the money for security systems, put up the signs that tell them there are cameras on the property, put up No Trespassing signs in accordance with NH law, and when I am on my property, I open carry, also allowed by NH law, to reinforce that message. Any firearm that is not in my immediate control is locked in a safe, out of sight. Even though it is not required in NH, I have taken the NRA approved CCW classes. I'm not out to pick a fight with anyone, but I will defend my family and my property to the best of my ability. If the word gets out that the guy in the corner house is a little "nuts" and that keeps them away, I've won the battle without firing a shot. If not, well, it is what it is. As General Mattis told his troops in Iraq "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."
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But they are like Cockroaches. You get one, and two more move in.
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I view that as an evolutionary positive. The one thing that would have prevented that shooting was the criminals not trying to commit the crime. The only thing that was changed by the homeowner not being perceived as being home is that someone else, maybe less prepared, was not victimized. Pigs will fly before I think such a shooting was a bad thing. American LE and private citizens do not shoot nearly as many offenders as they should.
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Agreed. I possed this as a question in a thread called" The Uncle Ben syndrome". How many times do citizens not shoot when justified, beacuse they fear legal ramifications etc...? And thus, the thug is able to commit crimes against others. Crooks aren't stupid, and if enough of them started getting shot I believe we'd see a serious reduction in crime.
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I'm not going to be a victim and I am not going to hide and cower behind the walls and doors of my own home.
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Why do you assume that I'm cowering ?
I have a very small apartment, if I'm in the living room and they knock I don't even get up. I deal with it from the Lazyboy
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I respect your choice. You asked why even answer the door. I gave you my reasons.
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I respect your choice. You asked why even answer the door. I gave you my reasons.
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My apologies, I tend to take the “cowering in fear” thing personally when I probably shouldn’t
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I once had a knock on the door around 11 p.m. I answered the door with my 2 1/2" nickle python kind of hidden behind my haunch. A youth around 20 years old wanted to know "If this is where the party was?" I then said something like no party here, now git! I never pointed my gun at him but did bring it in view as I said, now git. I thought I would have to shovel his eye balls off the doorstep. I think I was right in assuming he would have tried burgling the house had I not been home. Actually, I usually was never home at that time as it was a super rare time that I either wasn't working graveyard or if I ever did have a day off I usually didn't spend it home.
I have never, ever refused to answer a knock on the door and aint about to change. I dont care how most others handle it. I spent 35 years working security and 33 of them as a graveyard guard. I probley shook more doors than anyone else on earth, saving a prison guard.
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I can give you one good reason to answer the door, at least where I live. If you don't, you are setting yourself up for a burglary that will turn into a home invasion.
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This is why, as I posted previously, I have a sign by my front door that reads, "NO SOLICITATIONS! We will not answer the door so don't bother." A bad guy doesn't know if we are home or not. If they try to break in and we are home they will find themselves facing either a 9mm pistol or an AR15. As I also mentioned, we have a motion detector that alerts us whenever anyone is approaching our door. WE have the element of surprise, not the bad guy...
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I live in a good neighborhood in the burbs of Kansas City. My neighborhood is small (about 30 houses) and is filled with teachers, home health care nurses, professional musicians, etc. A little over a year ago, I was working. My youngest went to high school and worked too so she is always in and out of the house. We have 4 dogs, one very large. While I was at work one day (I worked part time) a woman was knocking on doors looking for her "friends". I know this because she knocked on my neighbors door (she is a stay at home Mom). Because I was working, nobody answered the door. Luckily, the police had arrested the woman before we had even realized that we had been robbed. Quite a few homes in our area have been robbed the past few years. The police (namely the PD daughter of a neighbor) said that thieves are hitting out of the way places knowing that the police don't patrol them and it would take them a while to get there. When we got robbed, it really scared me to think what would have happened if my daughter was home and choose to not answer the door, as she often did. We still have the dogs, but we also have a security system. I know that the police will take a while to get to us. Both the girls know how to shoot. The eldest, who's bedroom is on the ground floor, has a gun in her room. The youngest, if she is home and someone knocks on the door (we have the front door and also a glass storm door), she now answers it. We have told her to say that her parents are upstairs, in the bathroom, etc if they ask for us (and we are not home). She is also getting more comfortable getting the HD gun out of the safe on the night stand and having it behind her back if/when she answers the door. For us deliveries are no issue. The drivers either leave the deliveries in the middle of the driveway (afraid of the big dog), by the garage door or by the front door after they have rung the door bell. We live in the country and have 3 acres. So we know the sound of the FedEx, Ups, USPS trucks etc. It is the once in a while stranger that makes us go to "high alert". It does not matter if you live in a good neighborhood or a bad one. Crime is everywhere, the only difference is in a bad neighborhood, the BG's don't have to travel as far to commit their crimes.
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I cant resist retelling this: Fifty years ago I rented a small house that was one of two alike on a lot in north hollywood. I had a old friend that showed up one day all beat up. Seldom if ever, had I seen a face as black and blue! He claimed he was beat up by a couple of burbank cops. He was a drinker and a obnoxious loud mouth when drinking. He wanted to hide out at my diggs for a few days to heal. He was living with a affluent brother that had a position in one of the biggest studios and didnt want to be a embarrassment to his brother. Somehow his brother figured out he was staying with me.
His brother came to visit and then said, carl, follow me out to the car, I have some mail that came for you. Carl followed him out. Carl was a real mess, it was a hot day and he didnt even have a t-shirt on, was all black & blue etc. All of the sudden I heard a commotion, carl came running in with my neighbor chasing him and yelling he was gonna kill him! The neighbor was a real fit movie stuntman. Carl had his head down going through his mail and walked into the wrong house! To make matters worse he had walked into the house while the stuntman was making love to his wife! I was able to calm him down and it was hilarious!
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I cant resist retelling this: Fifty years ago I rented a small house that was one of two alike on a lot in north hollywood. I had a old friend that showed up one day all beat up. Seldom if ever, had I seen a face as black and blue! He claimed he was beat up by a couple of burbank cops. He was a drinker and a obnoxious loud mouth when drinking. He wanted to hide out at my diggs for a few days to heal. He was living with a affluent brother that had a position in one of the biggest studios and didnt want to be a embarrassment to his brother. Somehow his brother figured out he was staying with me.
His brother came to visit and then said, carl, follow me out to the car, I have some mail that came for you. Carl followed him out. Carl was a real mess, it was a hot day and he didnt even have a t-shirt on, was all black & blue etc. All of the sudden I heard a commotion, carl came running in with my neighbor chasing him and yelling he was gonna kill him! The neighbor was a real fit movie stuntman. Carl had his head down going through his mail and walked into the wrong house! To make matters worse he had walked into the house while the stuntman was making love to his wife! I was able to calm him down and it was hilarious!
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One time I had a brand new GF. I was at her apartment and someone was really beating her door. She said, Oh! Thats so and so that is always bugging me. He just wont leave me alone. Back then I was fifty years younger and thought myself tough. I walked over to the door, opened it with my left and had my right fist cocked with the idea that I would give him a real surprise. I yanked the door open and some guy that made me look small let a holler out and ran off! Lucky for me.
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I have one too. Those who come to the front door refuse to read or to comprehend. This has given me the opportunity to offer some stinging suggestions about their intelligence. Made me feel good, doubt that they understood what I said.
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I like the sign that says: All unattended kids will be sold into slavery.
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I view that as an evolutionary positive. The one thing that would have prevented that shooting was the criminals not trying to commit the crime. The only thing that was changed by the homeowner not being perceived as being home is that someone else, maybe less prepared, was not victimized. Pigs will fly before I think such a shooting was a bad thing. American LE and private citizens do not shoot nearly as many offenders as they should.
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Amend that to shooting them dead IF justifiable. Only the correct side of the story gets told at the lawsuit. Don't try to dress up the situation or alter evidence, but if you have reason to shoot, shoot in a way that the "STOP" is permanent. It cuts down the rate of recidivism really well.
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I have one too. Those who come to the front door refuse to read or to comprehend. This has given me the opportunity to offer some stinging suggestions about their intelligence. Made me feel good, doubt that they understood what I said.
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When I sold meat we made a point of ignoring the signs.
If anyone gave us a hard time we just said we assumed the previous owner left it there
I had a partner that said those signs told him the people were easy marks that couldn't say no. The guy was total prick, we went to one house and the kid let us in and when we got to mom she actually started crying and said " I can never say no to you guys please don't ask me to buy anything. " He sold her 3 cases
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Amend that to shooting them dead IF justifiable. Only the correct side of the story gets told at the lawsuit. Don't try to dress up the situation or alter evidence, but if you have reason to shoot, shoot in a way that the "STOP" is permanent. It cuts down the rate of recidivism really well.
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Wow, just wow.
I shoot to stop the threat if death is a secondary outcome I'm really sorry for the necessity. There’s no way in Hell I would advise anyone to deliberately try to kill someone.
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Amend that to shooting them dead IF justifiable. Only the correct side of the story gets told at the lawsuit. Don't try to dress up the situation or alter evidence, but if you have reason to shoot, shoot in a way that the "STOP" is permanent. It cuts down the rate of recidivism really well.
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Stop the threat by whatever means gets it done. If it inflicts a wound that causes the assailant to run away, or drops him but leaves him alive, the threat is stopped. If the bad guy dies, as far as I'm concerned that's a tragedy that was unfortunately unavoidable. He may have been a piece of excrement, but there probably were people who loved him.
I for one would have some pain knowing that I killed another human being, however justified it was or however much of a slimeball the deceased may have been. And I don't see myself as responsible for recidivism reduction or cleaning up the gene pool.
Maybe my values are outdated. Or at least unfashionable.
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When I sold meat we made a point of ignoring the signs.
If anyone gave us a hard time we just said we assumed the previous owner left it there
I had a partner that said those signs told him the people were easy marks that couldn't say no. The guy was total prick, we went to one house and the kid let us in and when we got to mom she actually started crying and said " I can never say no to you guys please don't ask me to buy anything. " He sold her 3 cases
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Shows how wrong some sales people can be. I did have a persistent salesman at my door, along with two of his buddies. He was selling roof repairs...I talked through the door, but he wouldn't take "no" for an answer. So, I opened the door and let the 9mm do the talking for me. He saw it, and couldn't get off my front porch fast enough.
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My granddaughter's pediatrician has a sign that reads, "Children left unattended will be given an ice cream cone and a puppy."
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It's exactly this kind of attitude...
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So, I opened the door and let the 9mm do the talking for me. He saw it, and couldn't get off my front porch fast enough.
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RevTracy,
You do realize that that is a clear case of brandishing, right?
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