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Old 04-01-2014, 11:09 AM
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I see this here and on other forums all the time, people post that they always answer their door to strangers with a gun in hand, maybe not visible to the person at the door but always in hand.

I was always taught that if you wouldn’t do it without a gun you shouldn’t do it with a gun so I have to ask, if the person you’re opening the door for is that much of a concern that you need to do it with a gun in your hand why even open the door at all?
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I think this is the crazy **** that gives gun owners a bad rap. Just because you may have a concealed weapons permit or just keep a gun in the home for protection doesn't mean you have to think you're probably going to have to use it every time you answer the door. Maybe if you feel that way you should move out of the "hood" to someplace you can feel safe.
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Answering a door and opening a door, too different things and neither happens without some forethought. Condition yellow, always, unless or until that gets elevated...
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I believe what most people would say is it depends on whether or not you recognize the person or are expecting someone. Obviously if it's a trusted neighbor, or friend/relative, I see no need to be armed. If, however, it's someone you don't know that's a different story. There are many other factors to consider, how many are there?, did they arrive in a vehicle?, if so what kind?, are there others in the car?, what time of day is it?, etc, etc. One size doesn't fit all, just don't ignore your gut and if something seems wrong don't dismiss it. And remember, there's no law that says you can't keep the door closed and ask what he/they want. And there's nothing that says you have to step outside unless you're absolutely sure it's safe to do so. Maintaining the safety of your home comes first, being polite to people at your door comes last.
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I approach the door with a gun in my hand. I look out the peephole and see who is there. Depending upon my perceived threat assessment, the gun goes either in my back pocket, or stays in my hand with my hand behind my back. Depending on the perceived threat level, I may open the door fully, or only partially while blocking it with my body. Unless there is a group of unfriendies outside my door, I will speak face to face. My sizable presence and gruff demeanor usually keeps salesman from making a second visit.

As for your question, which I view as somewhat condescending, why carry a gun anywhere? Surely you can avoid all danger...right. I won't tell you that you have to carry a gun, you keep quiet about when I decide to carry. Deal?
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I have video and audio for all outside doors. If I can't see or I get no response, I do not answer.

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I approach the door with a gun in my hand. I look out the peephole and see who is there. Depending upon my perceived threat assessment, the gun goes either in my back pocket, or stays in my hand with my hand behind my back. Depending on the perceived threat level, I may open the door fully, or only partially while blocking it with my body. Unless there is a group of unfriendies outside my door, I will speak face to face. My sizable presence and gruff demeanor usually keeps salesman from making a second visit.

As for your question, which I view as somewhat condescending, why carry a gun anywhere? Surely you can avoid all danger...right. I won't tell you that you have to carry a gun, you keep quiet about when I decide to carry. Deal?
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To me it depends on the time of day. I don't have a peep hole and can't see the door from the window. My area is a mix of farm land and new developments. Most people around here drive Mercedes, Lexus, Porsche. ..etc..etc..so it's a nice area and I'm not too worried about home invasions. However if my door bell rings at 8pm I'm answering with a snubby in my pocket. Just in case.

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I have video and audio for all outside doors. If I can't see or I get no response, I do not answer.
Sounds prudent.

Sometimes UPS will drop a package at my door, ring the bell, then leave. I usually see the truck driving away as I get to the door.
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Answering a door and opening a door, too different things...
You stole my thunder!
Since my crystal ball is broken I don't know when I will or won't need my gun, so I keep it with me everywhere I'm allowed - including home.
Just because I answer the door, doen't mean I'm opening it.
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We live in the Jefferson National Forest and don't have many visitors at all. We also have a lot of glass at the front door area.

We have glass in our front door but mildly obscure so it makes it difficult to distinguish who's there and what they may have in their hand(s).

I believe there may be situations where answering a door may be proper and you may need to be sure (with a gun) you will be safe.

The time would be a factor as to how I would answer a door knock. As would visibility.

You can always yell through a door to ask questions but I may still have metal in my hand just in case.
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I have a motion detector that covers my front walk leading to my door. I know when someone is coming long before they arrive at my door. When they get there they will see a sign that reads, "NO SOLICITATIONS! We will not answer, so don't bother." If someone still rings my doorbell (and I am not expecting someone, or I don't know the person) I ignore them. If they persist, I will open the door slightly gun in hand (but out of sight) and simply ask the person if they didn't see my sign or can't read. In the rare instances that this has happened they usually mumble an apology and wander off.

I live by a simple rule: just because I have a front door and a telephone doesn't mean I have to answer either one. I am VERY protective of my family, my home, and my privacy and I do not invite strangers to invade that privacy. Nor do I give any opportunity to a person or persons intent on harming me or my family a chance to do so.
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Answering a door and opening a door, too different things and neither happens without some forethought. Condition yellow, always, unless or until that gets elevated...
When I was a kid I was riding in the car with my mother one night when she had an accident. This was prior to cell phones so I went up to someone’s door to call the police.

They came to the door but didn't open it, asked who I was and told me they weren’t going to open the door but that they’d be happy to call the police, which they did. The entire transaction took place without them ever opening the door.
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I won't tell you that you have to carry a gun, you keep quiet about when I decide to carry. Deal?
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What I'm talking about is opening the door.

I am convinced that I stopped an attempted robbery at the front door of my home several years ago by simply not opening the door.

A stranger showed up at my door around 9 pm saying that he wanted to give me a free Denver Post. This was back when I owned a home and I looked through the front window and he had no newspaper in his hands.

He spent 10 minutes trying to get me to open that door; nothing else was going to do. I finally ended the conversation by telling him I was calling the police.I believe it’s prudent not to open the door to a stranger if for no other reason than I don’t want to hear a pitch for meat or a vacuum cleaner or encyclopedias or magazines or an invitation to your church. By not opening the door for anyone I don’t know, I automatically am never faced with a situation where I open the door to a criminal.

If it is a criminal I want every advantage I can have. Why put myself in a position where I have to fight them at the door when I can just not open the door and avoid the fight entirely?
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Speaking as a retired LEO, there is nothing wrong with being prepared. It may sound cliche', but the old saw "It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it" applies here. Not only do I answer the door armed, I go to the store, work, gas station, camping, fishing, ....... I guess you get the point.

I also carry 2 knives, finger nail clippers, scissors, a small combination tool, a bottle of Nitroglycerine tablets. I don't use most of these daily either, but I have them when needed.

Am I prepared to use it? Absolutely! Do I expect to need it in any of these situations? No! But I have it if needed, just like when I was on the job!

Krell1, Obviously you do not read the paper or listen to the TV news. If you did you may recall a retired SLCPD Officer kidnapped by two prison escapees in Daggett County a few years ago. Another retired SLCPD Officer was murdered in his home in Sandy in January this year. They were both friends I worked with! There are several home invasion robberies reported in the Utah media every month, and these are not all drug related! What part of being prepared to protect yourself in these situations gives gun owners a "bad name"??? The same things are happening daily all around the country!

Be concerned about yourself. Forget what others think, you aren't going to change their minds anyway! They are going to think what they will, whether there is a rational reason for it.
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I hope that crystal ball you carry will allow you to tell every individual in every different scenario how to protect themselves. I don't have clairvoyance, so I will protect my family how I see fit. Unless you want to come knock on my door.... I will answer.
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I see this here and on other forums all the time, people post that they always answer their door to strangers with a gun in hand, maybe not visible to the person at the door but always in hand.

I was always taught that if you wouldn’t do it without a gun you shouldn’t do it with a gun so I have to ask, if the person you’re opening the door for is that much of a concern that you need to do it with a gun in your hand why even open the door at all?
I am convinced me not opening the door about a year ago when a hoodlum knocked at 3:00am probably saved his life and me a bit of legal hassle. Instead I stayed inside and waited to see if he would kick the door in. I live in a bad neighborhood but I refuse to run, or to move. It costs money to move, and is a lot of expense and trouble and no guarantee the recycled drug heads won't move into your new neighborhood.

But if it is daytime and someone is persistent I might open
the door but always with my gun on me.

Now if you do see me running anywhere, it would only be because something big is after me and I am out of ammo.
Otherwise I'm not running because I probably could not outrun most bad guys anyway.
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If I don't know the person at my door I don't answer it, period.
this action is known as....common sense....
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I live out in the country, in the hills, so I always carry a gun. Too many pests like racoons, woodchucks, and skunks that are always trying to tear into things and wreck the yard, so its always been a general rule to always have a gun on you or in the truck. For me its not a big deal of always being ready for the big break in happening, I carry regardless of people for the conditions to witch I live. We also have many people who drive out into the hills to drop off unwanted dogs, and have had many show up in the yard over the years. One morning I got up and had a young dog growl and act aggressively towards me. After chasing it around the yard with the double barrel shotgun, it eventually cooled down and we adopted it out. But the lesson learned, always carry, if not for the chance of the human aggressor, but the very real problems of wildlife and dogs.

To me, being armed on your own property is your own choice. Don't like someone carrying a gun in their own home or their own property, don't go there. Remember that those knocking on doors are coming as humble guests, to respect the house they are disturbing. Those who solicit products and services door to door get a lot more than people holding guns in possible self defense in their line of work, and they must come to expect it. Those who seek help or refuge should respect the house that they are asking help from, and should not have a problem with a cautious house that attempts to protect itself, but still provides aid. As for guests, feel free to be offended and not return.

Just a few days ago an old coot with a dead beef in the back of his truck came into the yard looking for a neighbor who is a butcher. I knew an old man with a beef in the back of his truck was probably not a threat, so I opened the door to help give him directions. He noticed my 1911 in a shoulder rig that I carry sometimes, quite nervously, and even asked if I was hunting pointing to it at the end of the conversation. I politely said yes I was hunting with the coming snow melt, and he went on his way. I was polite and helpful to the man, and if he felt uncomfortable with the daily way of life I live here, so be it. I do not live to please other people, and I will treat all visitors with respect and dignity, but they must respect my place and my life.

Than again, several months ago a man appeared in the yard, parked in a suspicious place, and knocked on my door. I had my 357 ready to go, and went to greet him. An older middle aged, very Slavic accented man, who said he was from Spokane, and looking for a neighbor. I kept my eyes on his hands the entire time, ready to draw and shoot him. But yet I was calm and perfectly friendly to him, being as helpful as possible. After a short talk, he took off. Sure enough, a week later in the paper a man matching his description, with a Slavic name, from Spokane, was arrested for burglary, in a small town where two such individuals would be beyond coincidence.

Long stories short, I dealt with two different men with old noble hospitality, one innocent man who was a bit apprehensive of a gun I always carry, and a man who was probably a damn old criminal pro, most certainly casing the property for a crime, who acted perfectly calm in the face of an armed property owner. What lessons to be learned? I suppose even in the sticks, there is always a threat of crime. It also suggests its not simply being armed, but also how you present yourself. Some unarmed home owners can create more havoc and worry without a gun or weapon by acting in an outrageous manor. I suppose you can be armed and stay classy, act like a gentleman, be able to defend yourself and still not put people off.

I remember an old brick mason's story of backing up into a someone's driveway to turn around with a trailer, a few simple seconds of driving, and the owner of the driveway came out, naked, screaming like mad and threatening the mason. No gun, in fact nothing on his person, literally. I hope I'm not as upsetting with my handgun on my side, or with my hunting rifle outside, when people come to visit.
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Again, I'm not talking about being armed on your property or in your home. I'm talking about going to the door with the gun in your hand .
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I think this is the crazy **** that gives gun owners a bad rap.
I'm not in the least bit interested in earning a good "rep" from anybody by letting somebody harm me.

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Just because you may have a concealed weapons permit or just keep a gun in the home for protection doesn't mean you have to think you're probably going to have to use it every time you answer the door.
Are you going to guarantee in writing that I'll NEVER need it?

Is there an Android app to tell me when I WILL need it?

Are you going to feed me, bathe me, and change my diaper if I'm rendered incapable of caring myself by a savage attack that I COULD have defended myself from if I'd been prepared?

I didn't think so.

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Maybe if you feel that way you should move out of the "hood" to someplace you can feel safe.
Did this guy and his family live in "the hood"?

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders

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Again, I'm not talking about being armed on your property ot in yur home. I'm talking about going to the door with the gun in your hand .
You're right. It's much easier to defend yourself with a gun that's not in your possession...
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I stick my hand out the door and wave my pistol.


Seriously, home invasions happen a lot. In fact they are a downright popular way for deviants to have some 'fun'. I don't carry a gun in my house but I sure won't knock anybody that does.
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You're right. It's much easier to defend yourself with a gun that's not in your possession...
It's even easier to defend yourself from behind a closed and locked door don't you agree?
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My house I'll do what I want. If I answer the door with a firearm then unless I need to use it nobody will know it's there. Just my .02. Better to be prepared then not and I live away from crime areas but have had the garage gotten into. Never need it but have it is a plus need it and don't have it could cost a life. Doors aren't break proof or else all the drug dealers would have them.
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I can see who's at my door. I'll decide to open or not. A gun held in a defensive manner is not the same as a gun held in a threatening manner.
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As a stock answer if one goes to the door with a gun in hand, I'd say that is premature. Why not holstered as you would while out in public? I know some say "my house, my rules."

I think there are times we're blessed with that sixth sense and know something just isn't right. You just have that gut feeling. By all means, I'd have one in hand if I thought I was in a case like that. On the other big hand, if I feel that much of a threat, I'm not opening the door.
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I've posted this before, so here goes again.
I will NOT cower in my house in fear.
If someone rings or knocks on my door, I go to it armed. If you are in my neighborhood and I don't know you, you will meet me. I'm not rude, aggressive in my manners, but you will be talked to. And yes, I'll be armed.

What are you afraid of, offending them?
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As a stock answer if one goes to the door with a gun in hand, I'd say that is premature. Why not holstered as you would while out in public?
Because as a general rule, I don't wear a holster in the house. That being said, I'm never very far from a loaded firearm.

If I'm sitting in my underwear, reading about the Knorr-Bremse LMG on forgottenweapons.com, there's no reason for me to NOT go to the door with my gun in my hand, given that I almost NEVER open the door for strangers anyway, to include the police (in the absence of a valid warrant).
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Again, I'm not talking about being armed on your property or in your home. I'm talking about going to the door with the gun in your hand .

I don't wear a holster at home, so the gun will be in my hand while I approach the door. It will be behind my back if I open the door. No one has ever seen my gun when I have opened the door. If someone gave me need to show my gun, they are in for a very bad day.
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The fact that you asked that tells me you missed my point. The bad guy can’t kick the door in unless it’s closed, that’s my whole point.

I’m not saying don’t go to the door unarmed I’m saying if you are cautious enough to be armed why open the door in the first place?

Find out who it is, go from there, do what you have to do but why open the door to an unknown person in the first place?
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if I open the door.
You're missing the point too.

I don't care if you go to the door in full battle rattle.

My point is that the easiest way to keep the (potential) bad guy out of the house is to not open the door in the first place
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Girl scouts carrying cookies are not bad guys. Life is not black and white.

Your zeo tolerance argument is the zero brain method.
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Should have moved to Westlake instead of Rocky River then this wouldn't happen
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My first line of defense is being in my house therefore I don't need to carry a firearm indoors.There are plenty around the house within easy reach if the need should arise.

Secondly,I don't answer my door.I don't go to see who is there.I flat out don't care who is there.If it were a home invasion the best defense for me would be to create as much space as possible between us so if you did break in you wouldn't know where I was.Advantage to me!

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To rely on your gun as your last line of defense is foolish. Keep the door locked until you know who's knocking.

If people would invest in GOOD storm/security doors, we wouldn't have to discuss this so often.
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Girl scouts carrying cookies are not bad guys. Life is not black and white.

Your zeo tolerance argument is the zero brain method.
I gon't recall advocating a zero tolerance policy.

How ever if it is the girl scouts I'm still not buying so why open the door?

If it is JWs trying to give me a copy of The Watchtower, I have my own church thanks so why open the door?

Meat salesman, I used to do it for a living I know it's a scam so why open the door?

Encyclopedia Britianica?

Fill in the blank?

Thanks, not interested. Have a nice day!
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The joys of a 6' fence, a padlocked gate, and a really large and intolerant dog are substantial. Before the fence and gate, since I did not wear a holster in the house, I would go to the door and yell through it, and yeah, I had a gun in my hand. The house was/is posted no trespassing, so even coming to to the door is a crime, and all these layers just give me more evidence of ill-intent, non-compliance, or whatever you want to call it. Risk indicators, anyway.

I worked a lot of nights. I did not want to be awakened, and I did not want anyone to feel comfortable coming to my home. I am not a fan of people, and very few are welcome to enter my personal space. If that means hurting someone's feelings, boo-freakin'-hoo. Admittedly, most home invasions are not random, but statistics are not a means upon which one should rely to be comfortable and safe.
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And since I habitually carry, I'm carrying when there's a knock on the door, too.
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I keep a pistol inconspicuously placed within reach of the front door all the time. I can easily see anyone at my door and, if I don't know them the door doesn't get opened. Should they choose to force entry they're in for a really big surprise.

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I’m not saying don’t go to the door unarmed I’m saying if you are cautious enough to be armed why open the door in the first place?
This was answered earlier on.

First you answer the door by communicating to the stranger (they're all strangers until you know who it is) through a closed door. Then, if the stranger turns out to be less of a threat, you open it.

An unannounced knock should be putting us all in ORANGE. Because it's unexpected, it is a potential threat. Once communication is made, then you can ratchet back down to YELLOW.

Cameras are a really good thing. A knock at the front door could be a diversion for the guy breaking in the back. A camera showing both doors could prepare you for this.
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I installed a system that has camra's that show the front yard, driveway, front door & back door.
It records when movement in the range I have it set up for and a alarm then.
Also two dogs that bark at anyone coming close.
I still have a revolver on my person in the house all the time.

Must be that old Boy Scout thing in me. "Be Prepared"
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I installed a system that has camra's that show the front yard, driveway, front door & back door.
It records when movement in the range I have it set up for and a alarm then.
Also two dogs that bark at anyone coming close.
I still have a revolver on my person in the house all the time.

Must be that old Boy Scout thing in me. "Be Prepared"
I have started looking into something like that. Thinking four cameras maybe. Could put one on the garage facing the back of the house and one each front and back high enough so they can't easily be tampered with and onE up the driveway. Would prefer something I can view from my phone and or Mac so when I am in my office and there is a knock or a ring I can tell if it is a delivery or what. Since I work at home, and the wife has access to credit cards, we get a lot of packages delivery by a variety of methods, predominately USPS, UPS and FedEx, but occasionally others. Priority mail generally mean a knock at the side door. Also get LOTS of solicitors. I do buy the occasional candy bar as I know it can be tough for kids doing fundraisers, but some of them I wonder if they didn't just go to the store and buy a bunch of candy (or steal it) and the funds being raised are for themselves.
My parents live around the corner and there have been items stolen from cars recently.
Times sure have changed from when I was a kid. I used to have a paper route and used to sell Christmas stationary and wrapping etc to get prizes and everyone one three streets pretty much knew everyone else.

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You guys are all pretty scary.

I typically never answer my door in time (before whomever is there, gives up and walks away).
That works for me.
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Unless I recognize the face thru the peep hole, or the name/number on the caller ID, I don't answer the door or the phone.
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I little extra caution doesn't hurt anybody. I rarely have anyone knock at my front door (its actually hard for strangers to figure out where my front door is from the area where they would park their car) so I am especially vigilant when I hear the doorbell ring or hear a knock.

I also always have a gun with me when I am selling anything on Craigslist and a potential buyer comes to my home to look at it. The item is always in my garage, never the house proper. When my doorbell is rung I answer through the closed and locked door that the buyer should come around the house to the garage. I have never had a problem at all, but having a concealed gun while the buyer looks at the merchandise makes me feel a lot more comfortable.
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If you ignore the sign that says

Absolutely NO TRESPASSING
I don't want to buy anything or upgrade my cable.
I don't want to hear about your political party, candidate or sign your petition.
I am not interested in your religion, my salvation or your God.
If you do not have a Warrant you are TRESPASSING and will be dealt with accordingly.
Failure to read, speak and understand English may affect your ability to get treatment at the Emergency Room.

Then there are the security cameras. 6 of them. 4 I can see from my easy chair. 2 I can see from my shop in the garage.

When I wake up, I gun up, and I stay that way until I undress for bed. It never used to be this way, but we had a criminal enterprise move in to the last house on our little street about a year and a half ago. I have photos of them shooting up right in front of my home. 3 of 5 houses on our street have been burglarized. All of them have been vandalized. The police from another town raided the house last August and arrested 3 of the 10 people that go in or out of there each day. Two were charged with 17 and 21 counts of burglary. One with 4 counts. It didn't even slow them down. 6 to 10 cars a night drive in, don't even turn off the engine and then 5 minutes later, drive out. We find needles on the street. I've supplied the police with photos of them dealing, license plate numbers, surveillance video and even offered them my garage to set up surveillance. Maybe they are building a case against them, but so far, we live every day in fear that when we get home from work, out house will again be broken into.

Yeah, you knock on my door, and I don't know who you are, I will answer it with a gun in my hand. Not holstered and not out of sight. If that makes you pee your pants, wear an adult diaper if you are going to go door to door on my street. We gave up on the Neighborhood Watch nonsense and formed a Neighborhood Militia.

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