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Old 04-05-2014, 12:24 PM
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I recently purchased a stainless steel 38 special Taurus 85 for a lady friend who owned a 25 semi due to problems getting 25 ammo and the fact that I have seen postings that say a 25 semi auto will not knock down a coke bottle at 50 feet.
I thought a 380 was close to a 38 special in ballistics but I would not want to shoot at any animal with a caliber that did not begin with "4". I recall the pit bull my brother barely stopped with his 45 handgun. I am not critical of any caliber
but I am not sure my S&W 625-5 Colt 45 would stop a bear.

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Seems that after much political debate, they are opening a season on mountain lions here.
so .. tell ya what ... bring your 380, Ill grab what I feel is appropriate and we'll chase down some of those cats.
I'll let you be primary and back you up if you need it.
Speaking as someone who grew up in Omaha (65th and Lafayette) the most appropriate thing for that town is a Uhaul (with all your belongings in it and Omaha in the rear view mirror)
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I'm entitled not to be bitten, by man or beast.

My goal in life is not to avoid shooting attackers, be they two or four legged.

My goal in life is not to BE attacked.
...not to avoid a shooting attackers...Really? I go out of my way to avoid shooting someone. I got over that urge when I was 25. Thank God that nothing silly happened before then. I'm all of thirty now and hopefully I'll not have to kill anyone before I draw last breath. If I must I will, it's not difficult, but why blow hard about a willingness to do it?

For the silly lighter side:
Arrgh! Let me ride in your battle wagon! We'll wear our "I'm entitled to be here f*** you!" t-shirts and uphold all the negative stereotypes about gun owners and concealed carry permitees. We'll go wherever we want to because f*** them we're entitled to go there!

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You might want to rethink the .380. A dog takes alot of killing when he's close and his blood is up. This I know from personal experience.

Yes - I've seen pit bulls "laugh" at 124 gr. +P 9MM rounds once they latched on and engaged a victim.


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People letting their dogs run loose is without question one of my worst pet peeves, when it goes bad it’s almost never the dogs fault and it’s almost always the dog that pays.
I remember several years ago I was hiking a popular trail in The Springs and I ran into this little white dog running loose, a guy came by and picked up the dog and apologized for it running loose on the trail. 5 minutes later this woman comes by and she is just frantic. She’s looking for the little white dog that apparently the guy had stolen from her right in front of me. The worst part is it wasn’t her dog she was just walking it for some people that she was visiting.

I was running in a park one day when some guy’s German Sheppard (running loose) tried to take a chunk out of my leg and got OC’d for it. The guy was raising Hell with me for spraying his dog until I offered to spray him.

If a neighbor’s dog bit me or one of my dogs they would pay for the vet/hospital bills. I would be more likely to spray the dog rather than shoot it though.
Dogs allowed to run not on a leash is also a pet peeve of mine.
Owners of such dogs do not realize that even a small dog can inflict severe damage to those who have diabetic conditions with months of wound care treatment. I agree that pepper spray is a good option ie. if the wind is not blowing. At least
pepper spray might stop most dogs, maybe not a vicious pit bull though.

What makes the situation worse is that many towns in Texas
do not enforce leash laws, although we have a state law, the
owners of loose dogs are like the owners of cattle that get ran
over. They don't want to claim the animal if it is going to cost
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I used to carry pepper spray and have used it a few times on
dogs, it makes them quite sick. But I stopped because I got tired of having to remove it from my neck chain each and every time I entered the VA hospital, since it is not allowed there, even though pepper spray is a defensive weapon.
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A few years back my wife was in the front yard and I was in the house and a pit bull had gotten out of a neighbor's pen about a half a mile away.

Pit attacked my golden (latched on to his neck) I didn't hear the ruckus but the owner who had been chasing the pit got him off my dog. He was pretty severely bitten. Had I known what was going on that pit would have gotten lit up by my 9mm, no questions asked.

Max, my golden had a pretty deep bite to the neck that took quite a time to heal.
Had exactly the same type thing happen last year while walking my mutt less tan a block from my home.
The attack in our case came from a breed that is quite rare an Alpaha Blue Blood Bull Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog Information and Pictures .
Saw us from several houses down and attacked. The attack itself was surreal as this thing never made a sound and was using cover to circle behind us. I was attempting to get my dog to the side away from where the bull was coming from and back off towards my home. Didn't work as the big bull darted out from behind a tree caught my 40 lb or so mutt by the rear and flipped him then went for the kill.
I normally carry a 10mm Glock or my S&W 1066 but that day only had a .380 Taurus on me . I put 2 rounds of 95 grain +P JHP Corebond on target and stopped the Bull cold.
Cops were called saw my dog bleeding from the rear on a leash with slobber all over his neck and then the big bull with the 2 bullet holes. Took my pistol ran it and my permit then handed every thing back with a pretty good shooting comment and sent me home.
We both survived shaken and my dog was sore for a few days but recovered. Had I not been carrying that day it would have been a different story!
Saw this thread and just thought I should share the story.

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Been there, done that. But I must boast just a little in saying that I'm quite good at convincing aggressively charging dogs that me and my dog are off limits. I do it with voice and body language. Not something I could impart in writing, but I've turned back plenty of large aggressive dogs that wanted to attack my dog while I was on a walk. Recently, there was a Rottweiler who came charging with his fur up and roaring like a lion from his owners property towards us. It was my dog he wanted to fight. I took my posture, took an aggressive step towards him, stared him in the eye, and shouted at him in a deep voice. He stopped in his tracks and acted like there was a force field up circling about twenty feet around me. Same thing with an American Bulldog in the Fall, except he stopped in his tracks, turned around, and started trotting in the opposite direction.

Might just be because I was born into a house with big dogs, never been without at least one (often three or four) and was taught how to handle them since I was very small.
I grew up with both Shepard's and Dobermans. The full account of an attack on myself and my mutt last fall is just above. In my case there was no alternative but to use a weapon to stop the attack. First off I was yelling at the big bull as he approached and put myself between him and my mutt, it had no effect. In the end I had no other alternative but draw and fire. On the 1st round I hit the big bull a couple inches directly behind the front shoulder joint and it had absolutely no effect. I put the 2nd round in to the chest, got the heart lungs and dropped him cold.
Still in disbelief that the 1st round did not so much as faze the big bull.
Bottom line dog attacks can be serious threats to life and limb made more dangerous in our case because of what the breed was ( Alapaha). Bottom line CARRY and be prepared if all fails to take the attacker down!

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Speaking as someone who grew up in Omaha (65th and Lafayette) the most appropriate thing for that town is a Uhaul (with all your belongings in it and Omaha in the rear view mirror)
Truth be told, Im a bit south of the town now. I should update that, but won't till I find something properly creative with which to replace it.
I Like my location in that the old market's charm isn't too impractical to access, and 30'th and Ames can be monitored as well. It is the areas foremost ballistics research facility with real world data compiling nightly.
Florence area is a pocket I also keep an eye on. It's beset on all sides by chaos, yet seems to keep itself firmly pure.
Theres something of an unwritten chapter of how it should be done in there somewhere.
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Remember, every time you involve law enforcement you're allowing an entitled person with limited education, possibly on a power trip, to make decisions involving your future...
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If you are walking your dog on a leash obviously one hand is already occupied. To occupy the other hand with a stick, gun, spray or anything else will either make matters better or worse depending on how the attack unfolds.
I never walk my dog without pepper spray, and I use the ones sold on Amazon that come with a little velcro-elastic strap. This allows me to have it on the back of my hand and at the ready and still have the hand totally free. A shot of pepper spray to the nose will halt any dog. Just make sure you have the kind that shoots a stream not a mist.

I carry a gun, and wouldn't hesitate to shoot a dog if there was no other option. Most of the time, I am just running into off-leash dogs that are way too curious in the bait, er, small breed I have on a leash. They just need to be dissuaded, not killed. Pepper spray and they run home whining.
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...not to avoid a shooting attackers...Really? I go out of my way to avoid shooting someone. I got over that urge when I was 25.
I go out of my way to avoid people I might need to shoot. If they or their animals seek me out, I will not incur one IOTA of danger to protect THEM from their bad choices.

I have NO duty AT ALL to protect THEM, only MYSELF.
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That's a pretty broad and incorrect generalization. I know some very highly educated cops my friend. Even with my limited education I know better than making judgements about a person's education level solely on their occupation.
I have ZERO expectation that the police will protect me as an individual.

I have a reasonable expectation that they will make out a report, after the fact, of their impression of what happened. Assuming that I'm the victim and not the perpetrator, that works to my advantage, either to protect myself from prosecution or lawsuit, or to have my assailant prosecuted or to sue him.

The guy who calls the cops first gets to be the victim. People who don't figure that out often get to be the perpetrator, regardless of what they do.
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That's a pretty broad and incorrect generalization. I know some very highly educated cops my friend. Even with my limited education I know better than making judgements about a person's education level solely on their occupation.
I too know some really intelligent, highly educated cops, but with everything involved in a self defense situation involving shooting I'm not expecting intelligence and reason to show up with a handshake, smile and the key to the city. Worst case preparation, not sunny day drinks on the beach my friend.

I'm expecting to be treated to matching bracelets, a face full of pavement, endless suspicion, lies in attempt to gain my trust and information to prosecute me, sleep deprivation, stress elevation techniques, and maybe even bad coffee. All of which I'll endure in silent indifference once I've asked for: my attorney.

Which is why I'd rather whack the heck out of the misbehaving dog with the walking stick and get on, peacefully, with my day.
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To my way of thinking it's very arrogant to say that involving law enforcement will allow someone with a limited education, on a power trip & w/a sense of entitlement to make decisions about your future. Where does that come from?
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To my way of thinking it's very arrogant to say that involving law enforcement will allow someone with a limited education, on a power trip & w/a sense of entitlement to make decisions about your future. Where does that come from?
Personal experience, PBA stickers on cars, being passed by police cars doing 15 over the limit with no rhyme or reason, unlawful search and seizures...adds up.

Arrogant or not it's a decent policy to live by. It's unfortunate that you take umbrage to my statement.
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Personal experience, PBA stickers on cars, being passed by police cars doing 15 over the limit with no rhyme or reason, unlawful search and seizures...adds up.

Arrogant or not it's a decent policy to live by. It's unfortunate that you take umbrage to my statement.
Great sweeping generalizations make me queasy, to put it gently. I hate being viewed as one of "those people", so I try very hard not to categorize others that way.

That includes not assuming that LEO's are people of limited education, with a sense of entitlement, possibly given to power tripping. I try to assume that everyone is okay unless I have evidence to the contrary or that sense of danger I get from some based on observation.

Most of the cops I've had dealings with were decent people doing a job that I, with quite a lot of education, don't have what it takes mentally, emotionally or physically to do. There have been exceptions; but if I assume they're all semi-educated, emotionally immature power trippers, imagine what a good time I'm going to have if I have to deal with one.

My "policy" is not to do that. It works for me, and I'm a fairly happy guy.

I want to stay that way, so I'd better leave this thread now.
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When I was a kid app 8-12 y/o there was a house with 2 very large/aggressive
German Shepards, (one had already been shot once by the police) between me and my best friends house. for those years I had to ride up a very large steep hill app 1 1/2 miles or risk the much shorter direct route. I did get a lot of additional exercise & learned to ride real fast.
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Attachment 149154 About 20 years ago while doing some HVAC work at a customers house I was attached by his extremely large Rottweiler and ended up with some severe lacerations and nerve damage to my arm which would have been my throat if I had not block him with my forearm. The only thing that saved me is I happened to have a claw hammer in my other hand and smacked him a few good times until he released me by that time I was pissed and started confronting him with the hammer and a few choice words which evidently offended him and he left my LZ. After a trip to the emergency room some stiches and the dreaded rabies shots because the owner hid the dog and could not prove the dog had been vaccinated. Now I am a dog lover but from that day forward I swore to god and myself that I would dispatch any dog that became aggressive with me even my own dogs which I love like one of my children. That means towards me or anybody else. but over the years I have had confrontations with aggressive dogs and stood my ground and became the aggressor and every dog has shown submission. Let the dog know that you are the pack leader and don't take **** from anybody but if he needs a lead injection do not hesitate to protect yourself, your family and your beloved pet.
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Let the dog know that you are the pack leader and don't take **** from anybody but if he needs a lead injection do not hesitate to protect yourself, your family and your beloved pet.
Yes, but won't that make the owner sad? Wouldn't it better just to let the dog tear you up so that you won't have to shoot the owner too? At least that's what some people think...
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The wife and I regularly take our dogs for an evening walk but, one night, we came around the corner at the park and came face to face with about 10 coyotes. Our dogs started barking which spread chaotic energy everywhere. The coyotes started to get around us but we managed to get to a house first. Now, I carry the M&P 9 FS when we go on our walks. I also got the required small game license to cover me for coyotes. Never had another incident but, I'll put down aggressive coyotes any day or night. Normally we peacefully coexist with the coyotes, bobcats, bears, raccoons, deer and what not but, coyotes in a pack don't act like a single one.

In this situation, 6 rounds wouldn't have been enough as there were more than 6 hungry coyotes.

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One day last summer I was walking back to the house from my barn when I had a strange feeling something was following me.
Just as I turned to look, I noticed two of my neighbors animals following me a little too closely. One male goat ( 165lbs) and one male sheep, both of these fellas with all of their male gear intact. The neighbor had told me stories and showed me bruises that this dumb and dumber pair had given him when he had his back turned on them. Now I had seen these two in his yard from a distance for a couple of years, but seeing this large goat now basically chasing me towards my back porch, and his dumb sheep doing whatever he did, kinda getting nervous.

As I got to my porch thinking all was safe and that they would stop following, I realized just how large the horns on this goat were. Yep, damn thing followed me right up onto the porch and starts putting his head down and shaking it back and forth like he's gonna charge. Oh and now the sheep is on my porch too.
Now he is stomping and butting his head against my railing as he keeps coming closer.

At this point I have my 45 drawn and I am very loudly trying to reason with this goat and sheep. They don't understand that I am pointing a gun at them.
Out of the corner of my eye I see my girlfriend coming out of the door from the house to see just what in hell is going on out here. She is asking what she should do and I tell her to hand me the metal flat shovel leaning next to the door. She complies.

Whack, THONG , right up side the muzzle of this stupid goat.
Well fortunately for him , and me , he jumped off the porch and sheep buddy followed him. Had to chase him all the way back to the neighbors while brandishing a metal shovel.
It worked tho. No shots fired, and no injuries.

Told the neighbor the whole story and he thought it was funny.
Which in hindsight it is. He told me " if ya gotta shoot da som bitch, shoot em"

About 2 months ago, I asked neighbor where his goat had been, hadn't seen it around. Turns out he attacked from behind for the last time gave the neighbor/owner 10 stitches in the rear end and neighbor shot him himself.
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I have no use for those cheap, hand held stun gun devices, EXCEPT that animals do not like the sound they make, and a hostile dog may back off when you arc the spark. Contact is usually not required based on what I've seen and heard. Just hold onto your own dog's leash if you have to use one to warn off an attacking animal. I'm not saying they'll work in every case, but might be perferable to trying to hit a moving target with a smaller frontal chest area and dealing with the aftermath of a shooting.
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One day last summer I was walking back to the house from my barn when I had a strange feeling something was following me.
Just as I turned to look, I noticed two of my neighbors animals following me a little too closely. One male goat ( 165lbs) and one male sheep, both of these fellas with all of their male gear intact. The neighbor had told me stories and showed me bruises that this dumb and dumber pair had given him when he had his back turned on them. Now I had seen these two in his yard from a distance for a couple of years, but seeing this large goat now basically chasing me towards my back porch, and his dumb sheep doing whatever he did, kinda getting nervous.

As I got to my porch thinking all was safe and that they would stop following, I realized just how large the horns on this goat were. Yep, damn thing followed me right up onto the porch and starts putting his head down and shaking it back and forth like he's gonna charge. Oh and now the sheep is on my porch too.
Now he is stomping and butting his head against my railing as he keeps coming closer.

At this point I have my 45 drawn and I am very loudly trying to reason with this goat and sheep. They don't understand that I am pointing a gun at them.
Out of the corner of my eye I see my girlfriend coming out of the door from the house to see just what in hell is going on out here. She is asking what she should do and I tell her to hand me the metal flat shovel leaning next to the door. She complies.

Whack, THONG , right up side the muzzle of this stupid goat.
Well fortunately for him , and me , he jumped off the porch and sheep buddy followed him. Had to chase him all the way back to the neighbors while brandishing a metal shovel.
It worked tho. No shots fired, and no injuries.

Told the neighbor the whole story and he thought it was funny.
Which in hindsight it is. He told me " if ya gotta shoot da som bitch, shoot em"

About 2 months ago, I asked neighbor where his goat had been, hadn't seen it around. Turns out he attacked from behind for the last time gave the neighbor/owner 10 stitches in the rear end and neighbor shot him himself.
Justice served.

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Take it from an old farm boy who actually had to deal with a billy goat and a ram every day doing chores, your story IS funny -brought back memories. Our goat never charged me, but the ram would try to get me every time I looked the other direction. He butted me one time when I was pouring oats in the feed trough, and I went flying. After that I carried an old pickax handle with me and beat him up with it whenever he decided to get aggressive. Kept the problem in check.

Pardon the digression, folks -back to topic.
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One day last summer I was walking back to the house from my barn when I had a strange feeling something was following me.
Just as I turned to look, I noticed two of my neighbors animals following me a little too closely. One male goat ( 165lbs) and one male sheep, both of these fellas with all of their male gear intact. The neighbor had told me stories and showed me bruises that this dumb and dumber pair had given him when he had his back turned on them. Now I had seen these two in his yard from a distance for a couple of years, but seeing this large goat now basically chasing me towards my back porch, and his dumb sheep doing whatever he did, kinda getting nervous.

As I got to my porch thinking all was safe and that they would stop following, I realized just how large the horns on this goat were. Yep, damn thing followed me right up onto the porch and starts putting his head down and shaking it back and forth like he's gonna charge. Oh and now the sheep is on my porch too.
Now he is stomping and butting his head against my railing as he keeps coming closer.

At this point I have my 45 drawn and I am very loudly trying to reason with this goat and sheep. They don't understand that I am pointing a gun at them.
Out of the corner of my eye I see my girlfriend coming out of the door from the house to see just what in hell is going on out here. She is asking what she should do and I tell her to hand me the metal flat shovel leaning next to the door. She complies.

Whack, THONG , right up side the muzzle of this stupid goat.
Well fortunately for him , and me , he jumped off the porch and sheep buddy followed him. Had to chase him all the way back to the neighbors while brandishing a metal shovel.
It worked tho. No shots fired, and no injuries.

Told the neighbor the whole story and he thought it was funny.
Which in hindsight it is. He told me " if ya gotta shoot da som bitch, shoot em"

About 2 months ago, I asked neighbor where his goat had been, hadn't seen it around. Turns out he attacked from behind for the last time gave the neighbor/owner 10 stitches in the rear end and neighbor shot him himself.
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I would have shot them both - right there on the porch. I'm not WAITING for animals with demonstrated hostel tendencies to injure me before putting them down.
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Dude ... a 380 will not cut it here.
when tasked with dispatching a saint Bernard. 2 well placed 165 grain 30,06 rounds at 3000 feet per second, served only to motivate the animal to mount a counter offensive.
I would use nothing less than 12 ga slugs on this particular breed. And certainly not a pistol.
"Normal" sized dogs might get by with less. And your precious 380 for all reasons and seasons might come in handy if ever we are faced with a rash of charging shi tzus
380 has its place, but this isn't it.

When I was moving into my new house in the country seven years ago my neighbors pit bull decided I was invading his turf. He apparently had free roam in the countryside. No one was home at the neighbors and I could not get from my house to the truck to leave. I had already warned my neighbor once that I had a three year old son and would not tolerate the dog on my property. Luckily my shotgun was in the first load of things I was moving.

The first round of 00 buck stopped the dog at about 10 yards, but I had to put a second round in his head to put him out of his misery.

I will second your statement on a .380 not being enough to stop an aggressive dog that is decent size. Maybe after he has latched on to my arm or leg and I can put the muzzle against his skull, but I really don't want to be anywhere near that close.

On a second note, I never had to deal with the neighbor as I put the dog in the back of my truck and dumped it a couple of miles down the road on my way back into town.


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On a second note, I never had to deal with the neighbor as I put the dog in the back of my truck and dumped it a couple of miles down the road on my way back into town.


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Interesting that this thread was posted the same day I got bitten by an angry dog while hiking.

I do a 3-mile hike a couple of times a week, that has some steep uphills. Near the top of the steepest there is a house that has 3 dogs that have caused me trouble in the past but never actually bit me. When the owner is in his garage or front yard, he lets the dogs out. They would come bounding out at me when I walked by, but always stopped short of actually attacking me (usually the owner is hollering like mad at them).

On April 4th, same thing happened. I carry pepper spray and had it ready in my hand. The lead dog didn't hesitate, came straight at my thigh and caught me with its front teeth, giving me a large bruise and removing a nickel-sized piece of flesh. I pepper sprayed it and all three took off running (Sabre Red).

Lesson learned? Don' wait to see if a dog is actually going to attack. If it gets within pepper-spray distance, hit it with a full stream in the face. Takes all the fight out of the dog.

I don't think pepper spray would be effective on a professionally trained attack dog, but those aren't the mutts that bother people out on hikes or walks. Professionally trained animals don't attack strangers for no reason, at least none that I have heard of.
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On April 4th, same thing happened. I carry pepper spray and had it ready in my hand. The lead dog didn't hesitate, came straight at my thigh and caught me with its front teeth, giving me a large bruise and removing a nickel-sized piece of flesh. I pepper sprayed it and all three took off running (Sabre Red).
What you done or are planning to do to the neighbor?

Assuming that you were not provoking or mistreating the dog in any way, he's liable for failing to control his animals, leading to injury to you, which could have been much worse. What would have happened to a child or an older person?

If that kind of negligence is going to be discouraged, it has to have a cost attached to it.
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I am certainly no expert, and probably ALL of my good experience has come from luck and proper God-given instinct, but my observation so far has been that the aggressive dogs that I have encountered have all responded satisfactorily (to me) to my very aggressive stance. I am usually quite friendly to dogs, and they to me, but when they approach menacingly, I either bark at them or curse them while advancing on them. I believe that a stick impresses them, but I seldom carry one. If I walked more on weekdays, I would probably carry an ASP. I virtually always carry a gun, usually a .38 Spl, but it has always been my attitude that seemed to slow them down.

I am sure that there are others in different circumstances, most likely differently-raised dogs, who could demonstrate that my experience does not apply everywhere.
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Personal experiences w/LEO, PBA stickers and so forth. I guess that means judging everyone by the deeds of a few in a particular class means they're all the same. I don't live my life that way, even though I too have a good education, and history has taught us that kind of thinking only leads to trouble. If I take exception to your post there is a good reason for it.
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I carry a blackthorn walking stick, a S&W revolver (.38 or .357), and an M3 Sabre Red Crossfire when out with my rescued dog (who is on a leash when we are out). My dog doesn't bark at other dogs or people (unless she's in the house looking out) which might be a survival trait she learned in her time on the streets, and she gets real interested when the songdogs start howling in the creekbed and fields behind the house. She stopped and start growling late one night while we were out, and I turned to see two coyotes in the middle of our street watching her with great interest. When they saw me turn around, they took off like they'd been scalded. I'm not saying they recognized me, but I've been known to shoot coyotes from the back porch with my Mini-14 when they get a little too bold.

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Which is exactly what MAIG wants to do to all gun owners based on the actions of a few nuts.
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What you done or are planning to do to the neighbor?

Assuming that you were not provoking or mistreating the dog in any way, he's liable for failing to control his animals, leading to injury to you, which could have been much worse. What would have happened to a child or an older person?

If that kind of negligence is going to be discouraged, it has to have a cost attached to it.
I reported the incident to San Diego Animal Control. They quarantined the animal, not sure what is going to happen after that, but I assume the quarantine is a rabies check.

If you are saying that I should sue the guy, I probably would if I had been "mauled" and had any serious damage. Some anti-biotic cream and a couple of large bandaids and the wound should be under control and gone in 10 days. No need to complicate peoples lives with unnecessary face time with attorneys. Too much of that going around these days for insignificant issues as it is.
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If you are saying that I should sue the guy, I probably would if I had been "mauled" and had any serious damage. Some anti-biotic cream and a couple of large bandaids and the wound should be under control and gone in 10 days. No need to complicate peoples lives with unnecessary face time with attorneys. Too much of that going around these days for insignificant issues as it is.
If your dog bites me, there'll be a little more of "that" going around.

If you weren't abusing the dog, or on his property, it's HIS fault, PERIOD.
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If your dog bites me, there'll be a little more of "that" going around.

If you weren't abusing the dog, or on his property, it's HIS fault, PERIOD.
No question whose fault it was, it was the owner's. Doesn't mean I have to go after his finances. Animal Control may put his dog down, I think he has had other complaints against it as well.
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No question whose fault it was, it was the owner's. Doesn't mean I have to go after his finances.
I can't think of a better reason to go after his finances.

You said yourself that it's his fault, and probably not the first time.

I'd have gone to the doctor and that's not free.

He went after your leg by proxy. Are his finances more important than your leg... especially given that you were COMPLETELY blameless?
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I can't think of a better reason to go after his finances.

You said yourself that it's his fault, and probably not the first time.

I'd have gone to the doctor and that's not free.

He went after your leg by proxy. Are his finances more important than your leg... especially given that you were COMPLETELY blameless?
I totally agree that the irresponsible dog owner ought to pay a price. I have researched the texas statutes before regarding
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Itchmo: News For Dogs & Cats * Blog Archive * New Texas Dog Bite Law Goes Into Effect

However till recently Texas has been a one free bite state.
To me there is no free bites, if the dog is off the owners property. I hate to see the State or the VA Medical pick up
and absorb the medical expenses for months of diabetic wound
treatment while the scofflaw irresponsible dog owner has no
money nor willingness to pay the medical expenses. If the State does not want to absorb such expenses then laws need to
get changed. I do not pay local medical bills for dog bites. Either the owner of the dog will pay or the State will.

I view any state as irresponsible that allows owners of dogs
that are not on a leash to bite someone off the owner's property. I will do everything necessary to stop the dog from
biting me, including shooting the dog if necessary. I do not
carry stun guns, pepper spray, clubs etc.

As for "enough of that", I think irresponsible people who do not
control their animals ought to pay a steep price. If the dog has
a history the owner could face up to a 20 year jail sentence in
the Texas statutes, which I have researched before. The local
hospitals already have to write off a lot of bills they find out they just cannot collect, so there is no reason to let an irresponsible dog owner escape liability if he has been negligent.
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I worry much more about attacks from the two-legged creatures. Dogs typically defend territory and are not inherently vicious like some humans.
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I can't think of a better reason to go after his finances.

You said yourself that it's his fault, and probably not the first time.

I'd have gone to the doctor and that's not free.

He went after your leg by proxy. Are his finances more important than your leg... especially given that you were COMPLETELY blameless?
Not everyone subscribes to your scorched earth policy
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Not everyone subscribes to your scorched earth policy
It does take money to sue people. It takes no money for me to
let the State and the Dog Owner squabble over who pays for
my emergency care and wound care if I am bit by their dog running loose. I am perfectly willing to use my exempt non attachable status to avoid making payment for the irresponsible
dog owners damages. I don't blame anyone for wanting to sue
the dog owner, it might be hard to collect damages though if
the dog gets one free bite in a particular state. That's why I prefer to let any such bill go unpaid. Not worried about credit, I buy everything cash.
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Well cmort666 has already portrayed me as a peace loving hippie so I'll continue along those lines so our very own General Sherman doesn't lose face...

Trooplewis is old school and doesn't need a lawyer to fix everything. There is hope in the world! A man with reason that sees that life ain't always beautiful.

Burn their fields and their houses! Rawr! Death and ruin to all who oppose me.…get real.

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It does take money to sue people. It takes no money for me to
let the State and the Dog Owner squabble over who pays for
my emergency care and wound care if I am bit by their dog running loose. I am perfectly willing to use my exempt non attachable status to avoid making payment for the irresponsible
dog owners damages. I don't blame anyone for wanting to sue
the dog owner, it might be hard to collect damages though if
the dog gets one free bite in a particular state. That's why I prefer to let any such bill go unpaid. Not worried about credit, I buy everything cash.
Why not just make arangements with the dog owner to pay for any necessary medical treatment?
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Recently read an internet article about a pack of chihuahuas that were harassing and causing a lot of trouble for a neighborhood in Phoenix. Chihuahuas are often fearless [bred to go after rats] and are like collared peccary, or javelinas, in that while one or two aren't a particular problem, a pack can be. In the article I read, the pack of chihuahuas were estimated to contain over 35 members.
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Recently read an internet article about a pack of chihuahuas that were harassing and causing a lot of trouble for a neighborhood in Phoenix. Chihuahuas are often fearless [bred to go after rats] and are like collared peccary, or javelinas, in that while one or two aren't a particular problem, a pack can be. In the article I read, the pack of chihuahuas were estimated to contain over 35 members.
Based on my experience with the breed, I'm not surprised. I've said that if chihuahuas weighed 30 lbs they'd be the baddest dog around.
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Why not just make arangements with the dog owner to pay for any necessary medical treatment?
As long as he pays them directly and I do not pay them first, no problem. But I don't intend to unload them on the VA health care system just because the state does not hold him responsible if its the dog's first bite. And if he does pay them six months of wound care would not be uncommon and would be quite expensive for him. Just a possibility he might want
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I used to ride an electric scooter, top speed was about 23 MPH, and I would go everywhere on it. I can testify that plenty of dogs can run 23 MPH or faster, but not for long. I would swing my legs to the other side of the bike away from the teeth and wait until they tired out.

Interestingly, I got chastised many times by dog owners for "teasing their dog". Apparently, if the dog catches you, the owner's okay with that. It's the "getting away" that rankled both owner and dog. And yes, we have a leash law.
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Recently read an internet article about a pack of chihuahuas that were harassing and causing a lot of trouble for a neighborhood in Phoenix. Chihuahuas are often fearless [bred to go after rats] and are like collared peccary, or javelinas, in that while one or two aren't a particular problem, a pack can be. In the article I read, the pack of chihuahuas were estimated to contain over 35 members.
I'm sorry I just can't see myself getting all that concerned over a pack of chihuahuas
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It does take money to sue people. It takes no money for me to
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my emergency care and wound care if I am bit by their dog running loose. I am perfectly willing to use my exempt non attachable status to avoid making payment for the irresponsible
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the dog owner, it might be hard to collect damages though if
the dog gets one free bite in a particular state. That's why I prefer to let any such bill go unpaid. Not worried about credit, I buy everything cash.
I used to live in a small mountain town. The sad reality was that city folk (mostly college kids ) from a nearby college town would turn their unwanted dogs loose to fend for themselves when they got tired of them. Those nice family dogs formed some pretty mean packs. One day, a bunch of dogs attacked the children at the school bus stop. The town members got together and we went to the hills. In a few days, there wasn't a stray dog to be found anywhere. I don't know how many we shot but it was quite a few. We collected collars for those that had one and turned them into the county sheriff. Word got out that stray dog packs will be shot on sight. No questions. No mercy. No exceptions. That's still the rule today. If people love their dogs, they have to control their dogs. There has not been a repeat of the stray dog pack attack problem and that was back in the early '70s.

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