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I'm sorry I just can't see myself getting all that concerned over a pack of chihuahuas
It does have a humorous side to it, but piranhas aren't very big, & when they attack as a group the results can be devastating.
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Well I wouldn't be worried about a pack of chihuahuas either. MagPul makes 40 rd magazines for a reason. Although a few turkey loads from a 12 gauge would clean house if that's what needed doing. Other options would be a slicked up Winchester '73 with fourteen rounds onboard. It's tough to believe that after three or for shots you'd have anything hanging out.
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I used to live in a small mountain town. The sad reality was that city folk (mostly college kids ) from a nearby college town would turn their logs loose to fend for themselves when they got tired of them. Those nice family dogs formed some pretty mean packs. One day, a bunch of dogs attacked the children at the school bus stop. The town members got together and we went to the hills. In a few days, there wasn't a stray dog to be found anywhere. I don't know how many we shot but it was quite a few. We collected collars for those that had one and turned them into the county sheriff. Word got out that stray dog packs will be shot on sight. No questions. No mercy. No exceptions. That's still the rule today. If people love their dogs, they have to control their dogs. There has not been a repeat of the stray dog pack attack problem and that was back in the early '70s.
And thats the way you handle that problem!
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Recently read an internet article about a pack of chihuahuas that were harassing and causing a lot of trouble for a neighborhood in Phoenix. Chihuahuas are often fearless [bred to go after rats] and are like collared peccary, or javelinas, in that while one or two aren't a particular problem, a pack can be. In the article I read, the pack of chihuahuas were estimated to contain over 35 members.
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The town members got together and we went to the hills. In a few days, there wasn't a stray dog to be found anywhere. I don't know how many we shot but it was quite a few.
Probably the most humane thing you could have done for them
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It does have a humorous side to it, but piranhas aren't very big, & when they attack as a group the results can be devastating.
Piranahs attack in a medium that allows them to get higher than my ankles and I can't step on a Piranah

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Well I wouldn't be worried about a pack of chihuahuas either. MagPul makes 40 rd magazines for a reason. Although a few turkey loads from a 12 gauge would clean house if that's what needed doing. Other options would be a slicked up Winchester '73 with fourteen rounds onboard. It's tough to believe that after three or for shots you'd have anything hanging out.
What makes you think you'd need more than a brm ?
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What makes you think you'd need more than a brm ?
A broom might work out just fine ... but it's just not nearly as gratifying
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Go ahead. Mess with me. I'll chew through your Achilles tendon!!
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Consider aluminum "nucks" Years ago, when my doctor insisted that I take up jogging, there were three large dogs on my run that thought my ankles looked tasty. One VERY hard slap to the dogs head ended the problem. No more dog chases. Aluminum is lighter than brass.
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What makes you think you'd need more than a brm ?
There's up to 35 of them. Imagine a race ready '73…firing as fast as you can cycle it. It's totally fitting. Yo quiero Taco Bell? Look here yippie rat...there's a new sheriff in town. There's probably a use for that broom... Whacking the negligent owners prior to filing a lawsuit! Or we could use it as a torch for scorched earth!

Or you could use the 3 gun ready AR and tap them into oblivion without reloading using a Surefire or MagPul 40.

Shotgun has neither romance nor technology so the only reason to use it is to unceremoniously and efficiently kill the whole bunch of them. The man with the well worn shotgun is to be feared and respected.
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Go ahead. Mess with me. I'll chew through your Achilles tendon!!
In 1992 I had a second job working for Domino's. I was delievering a Pizza (imagine that) one night and the homeowner's little yippy dog bit me on the Achilles tendon.

The dog was literally so small that I had to look twice to make sure I really was seeing what I was seeing.

I informed the owner that her dog just bit me, delivered the Pizza and went back to the shop. My Manager insisted that I go to Emergicare (company policy) and have the "wound" looked at.

The folks at Emergicare put some Neosporin and a Bandaid on my heel. (The dog looked like he was gnawin' the Hell out of my leg but didn't even break the skin) and sent me back to work.

I don't know but I'm fairly certain the customer got a bill from Domino's
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And thats the way you handle that problem!
Sad that it has to come to this. Anyone who turns an animal loose like this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It's shameful.
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Personally I think it's great that the community came together to solve its problem. It cut through countless yards of red tape and no municipal resources had to be wasted to solve the problem. If we had more of that we wouldn't need some government organizations...where I'm from volunteer goes a long way.
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I can't think of a better reason to go after his finances.

You said yourself that it's his fault, and probably not the first time.

I'd have gone to the doctor and that's not free.

He went after your leg by proxy. Are his finances more important than your leg... especially given that you were COMPLETELY blameless?
In my personal opinion about the state of the nation, lawyers are a much bigger problem than a minor dog bite, and I do everything I can to avoid putting more money in their pockets. We have become a people who think that if anything bad happens to us, we have been wronged and someone should pay for it.

In this case the dog may have to pay with its life, as Animal Control is still investigating. Getting money from the owner doesn't make my leg heal any quicker or feel any better.

There are some people who no doubt deserve to be sued, but there are a lot more opportunists who look for reasons to sue simply to get financial gain. The courts are clogged with them, and they are everyone's problem financially. TANSTAAFL still applies...all of us end up paying for those big judgements you read about every day.

And I apologize if someone reading this is part of the 3% of all attorneys who get a bad rap because of the actions of the other 97%

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In my personal opinion about the state of the nation, lawyers are a much bigger problem than a minor dog bite, and I do everything I can to avoid putting more money in their pockets. We have become a people who think that if anything bad happens to us, we have been wronged and someone should pay for it.

In this case the dog may have to pay with its life, as Animal Control is still investigating. Getting money from the owner doesn't make my leg heal any quicker or feel any better.

There are some people who no doubt deserve to be sued, but there are a lot more opportunists who look for reasons to sue simply to get financial gain. The courts are clogged with them, and they are everyone's problem financially. TANSTAAFL still applies...all of us end up paying for those big judgements you read about every day.

And I apologize if someone reading this is part of the 3% of all attorneys who get a bad rap because of the actions of the other 97%
I hold both the irresponsible owner and the state responsible for
my diabetic wound care. When the State or the irresponsible animal owner gets tired of paying for 6 months of diabetic wound care it may reform their attitude a bit, and get laws changed. As for me, I will not use the VA health care system
to treat wound care caused by dog bites, but will leave them
holding the bag. So if I get sued for the medical bill, I will come
after them. If the dog owner has no money to pay, then its the
states problem, not mine. Second thing is if I see the dog coming he won't make it to my leg. I expect six months of wound care is no big deal to some but its a big deal to me.

I am determined not to unload such bills on the VA overburdened health care system so its on the
dog owner and the state. it has been my experience that there are far too many animal lovers
who are in the state government unless the state is the one having to fund the hospitals when they
don't get paid.


Hospitals like to be paid, and I do not pay them for such care,
unless I caused the problem. So if I incur those expenses someone else is going to have that problem, not me. If it
takes legal action fine. If they have a one free bite privilege
the hospital may not get paid.
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We have become a people who think that if anything bad happens to us, we have been wronged and someone should pay for it.
You WERE wronged. The dog bit you, not vice versa. And by your own admission, you're not the ONLY person who was wronged.

It's completely your right if you want to make some kind of dubious statement against lawyers by letting somebody REPEATEDLY let his dog(s) run loose so that it may harm innocent people. But hey, if that dog or its replacement tears up somebody's kid, it'll be THEIR problem, right?
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That is why I reported it to Animal Control, the dog is now quarantined.
If I had incurred medical expenses, I would have sought reimbursement, but all it cost me was some oversized bandaids and antibiotic creme.

As for the "what if" argument (What if is was a child or an old person...), no doubt that is a legal favorite. But my crystal ball is broken, so I can't answer for the "what if" stuff.

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LOL, I got a letter today from an attorney who specializes in dog attack cases. Says he wants to get compensation for me for any physical or mental suffering I have incurred from the dog bite. I guess when I filed a complaint with San Diego Animal Control, that must have become public record.

In my mind, that attorney is just a 1/2 step removed from being an ambulance-chaser. My wife got a good laugh out of it as well, said maybe he could get me back the $14 I spent on oversized bandaids and Hydrogen Peroxide. The scab on my leg is now (two weeks later) down to about the size of a nickel and no more bruise. I got worse scrapes while skate boarding as a teenager.
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I meant normal Chihuahuas not the demon possessed variety
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My brother-in-law is a letter carrier. When he had a walking route, he told me he was bitten by small dogs WAY more often than big dogs. The little dogs sneak up behind you and bite your ankle, Chihuahas were one of the worst.
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Because of this thread I just purchased a retractable baton for when I walk my 30 lb lab mix. We walk in a little used part of a city park which is probably 50 acres and I let her run off leash. Other people sometimes walk their dogs there and 99% of them are friendly, but I've had a couple of instances where I had to defend her. I'm a big guy and feel I can fight off most dogs and I also carry a pistol, but I like the idea of smacking the hell out a dog instead of trying to shoot it. Check out S&W collapsible batons-I think they would work great against all but the most vicious dogs.
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I didn't want to take someones pet out of this life just because the owner got a little careless with the front door, It could easily have happened to met.
You could carry pepper spray. After all, police officers carry both guns an pepper spray - the right tool for a particular situation.
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Because of this thread I just purchased a retractable baton for when I walk my 30 lb lab mix.
Beware of state and local law.

In Ohio it's a Concealed HANDGUN License and NOTHING else. It doesn't give you one iota of immunity from every little podunk town's laws on knives, clubs or anything else which could be used to defend yourself.

I can carry a handgun ANYWHERE that's not either a statutory CPZ or posted. I can be legal on one side of the street with a pocketknife or club, and a criminal on the opposite side... and that can change as I walk down either side of the street.

Be careful not to let an "option" become a boobytrap for YOU.
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When I was in college in Missoula, MT, I had a Summer job on an apartment construction project as a laborer - cement truck driver. One of the electricians and I worked together quite a bit. This guy was very well-built, very quiet and a little unsettling - in that I was very careful what I said in his presence and wondered about his background. He was a bit spooky.

One day, we were headed to the main shop for electrical supplies when the truck's radio informed him that his wife had just called --- "Get Home". We drove to his house and his wife was hysterical. Neighbor's German Shepherd had bitten their 3 year old. The electrician went outside and the Shepherd was still roaming the sidewalk. The Shepherd had a choke chain on --- electrician grabbed it, hoisted the dog off the ground with one arm and broke its neck with the other. Like I said --- a bit spooky.
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I don't like mean, angry dogs. So far in the line of duty I've had to kill one pit bull that was chewing on me without provocation on a city street. At least two others came close to meeting the same fate, save for extenuating circumstances. I have no tolerance for aggressive dogs that are off a leash and roaming the streets. If it comes down to you, your dog or the offending dog incurring the pain and suffering then by all means shoot the offending dog, but make sure you're justified. Shooting a fast moving dog is not easy and stray shots can cost you dearly, but there's no need for you to end up in the ER wondering if the dog that just bit you is up to date on its rabies shots. When you're staring down the flashing teeth it doesn't really matter if the dog belongs to your next door neighbor or the thug operating the crack house a block or two away.

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I bet you'd have to defend her less if you obeyed the law and kept her on a leash
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I bet you'd have to defend her less if you obeyed the law and kept her on a leash
I do put her on a leash when I see another dog-but that doesn't stop other off-leash, untrained, or aggressive dogs from trying to get to her or me. I don't want to ever hurt any dog, but I will protect my dog and myself if that's ok with you pal.
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I do put her on a leash when I see another dog-but that doesn't stop other off-leash, untrained, or aggressive dogs from trying to get to her or me. I don't want to ever hurt any dog, but I will protect my dog and myself if that's ok with you pal.
So in other words no you don't obey the law.

I have no problem with you protecting your dog but when your unlawful actions are contributing to the problem I don't have a lot of sympathy for you pal
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I don't want to kill a dog either, but I will shoot the dog before it gets a free bite.
If that requires protecting myself against someone else then
that's just part of the problem, I am prepared to do that. You find out
when an animal that's done damage, and bills have to be paid, the dog
is suddenly an orphan without anyone to pay the bill. I hate to see the
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Living in the suburbs, I'd be hard-pressed to justify shooting a dog unless it was a pit-bull, a dog universally feared, whether that fear is justified or not. We've also had an occasional human fatality when the victim was set upon by two or more large dogs, whether or not they were fighting breeds.

Years ago I had an American Eskimo dog, all of about fifteen pounds. A neighbor had a large wire haired terrier that wanted nothing more than to kill my dog for whatever reason. I took to carrying a heavy dowel of about 1 1/4" in diameter. One evening, here's comes wire hair like an express train.

I love dogs and it pains me to recall how I positioned the dowel like Babe Ruth about to hit his 60th home run. My leashed dog instinctively went behind me for cover. I put all I had into my swing and stopped the sixty or so pound aggressor with one strike.
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Living in the suburbs, I'd be hard-pressed to justify shooting a dog unless it was a pit-bull, a dog universally feared, whether that fear is justified or not. We've also had an occasional human fatality when the victim was set upon by two or more large dogs, whether or not they were fighting breeds.

Years ago I had an American Eskimo dog, all of about fifteen pounds. A neighbor had a large wire haired terrier that wanted nothing more than to kill my dog for whatever reason. I took to carrying a heavy dowel of about 1 1/4" in diameter. One evening, here's comes wire hair like an express train.


I love dogs and it pains me to recall how I positioned the dowel like Babe Ruth about to hit his 60th home run. My leashed dog instinctively went behind me for cover. I put all I had into my swing and stopped the sixty or so pound aggressor with one strike.

Usually most dogs will respond to my voice to stop, and the dog and the owner of the dog's rights end where my leg begins
on public or common property. One bite from a dog can cost a
diabetic person a leg, which no dog owner would want to pay the damages for. My leg is not for sale either. So I draw the line at my leg, and neither the dog or the dog owner will take a bite of it.
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So in other words no you don't obey the law.

I have no problem with you protecting your dog but when your unlawful actions are contributing to the problem I don't have a lot of sympathy for you pal
I don't think you understand Smoke, I let my dog run and chase rabbits in a 50 acre area (mainly fields with some wooded areas) of a park that is owned by a festival board that is unused 50 weeks of the year. I walk her there 4-5 times a week and the board members know me and my dog. The only people who use this part of the park are a very few people like me who use it to let their dogs run as well as a few joggers. My dog is a very friendly 32 lb. lab/beagle mix female that has extremely good recall. I can call her off running a rabbit or deer at any time. If I see other dogs I call her to me and attach her leash-if they're friendly I let her off the leash and let them play. The problem is that there are a couple of dog owners with multiple dogs that can be aggressive, so they come to me I yell at them and their owners, and one time I had to kick a dog to keep it off me and my dog.
I like the idea of the collapsible baton I can wear openly on my belt (legal in my state) and whack an aggressive dog if I have to. I don't see anything "unlawful" about this and I'd definitely rather do this than shoot someone's pet.
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I didn't want to take someones pet out of this life just because the owner got a little careless with the front door, It could easily have happened to me...
Exactly right, IMO. The walking stick is fine but some pepper spray like the mailmen and utility workers carry might be better.
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like Babe Ruth about to hit his 60th home run.
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I don't think you understand Smoke, I let my dog run and chase rabbits in a 50 acre area (mainly fields with some wooded areas) of a park that is owned by a festival board that is unused 50 weeks of the year.
I understand, I bet there's a leash law where you are and I bet you're in violation of it.
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I understand, I bet there's a leash law where you are and I bet you're in violation of it.
I feel as if I'm watching a game of badminton.
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In my mind, that attorney is just a 1/2 step removed from being an ambulance-chaser.
Sound like less than 1/2 step away IMO.
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The thing that worries me the most about shooting a dog is potentially having to shoot the owner too. Imagine if somebody messed with your pet would you be understanding of the unexpected gunfire? The killing of your friend?
Batons or walking sticks. The give all involved a chance to go home in one piece and they make a more solid case for escalating force if you still had to shoot for some reason. Pepper spray and stun guns are too much **** to carry. I'm going on a walk, not riot patrol.
If I'm off my property I'll cut the dog some slack...he may be a well kept animal that sneaked out a door or over a fence when the fact is the owner was being responsible, contining the dog, and it slipped out.

Accidents DO happen. A cane, baton, walking stick, or spray would be appropriate if handy.

However, when a dog comes on MY property its a whole new ballgame. A dog that bites me...or tries to bit me...on my property is a dead dog, period.
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