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Map of states that will Honor New Ill CC
Here is a map of states that will honor the new Ill CC
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just checked. as of now Pa. does not have a reciprocity agreement w/ Ill.
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Thanks for posting the map, I am going to take a CCW class this summer or fall. I hope Texas adds Illinois as my son lives there.
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Once you have the Illinois, add FL and UT non-resident licenses. You'll have a lot more options.
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So which other states will Illinois honor?
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None. Sad state...maybe soon that will be amended
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Illinois is about as $%^ed up as it gets. Group rates for governors in Federal Prison. State is pretty much bankrupt and not a Republican in sight to blame it on. Public employee pensions in doubt. I swear I don't understand why the good people of Illinois don't secede from Chicago.
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I have to apologize; I think my post came off as a little snarky about Illinois, and I didn't intend that. I'm glad to see that progress is being made, where ever it is being made.
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I have to apologize; I think my post came off as a little snarky about Illinois, and I didn't intend that. I'm glad to see that progress is being made, where ever it is being made.
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IL will honor any state that has the same training and qualifications standards that equal or exceed IL's. So far no other state does.
IL allows anyone from another state to take IL's training and get an IL CCW.
However, what IL does allow for out of state CCW is you can have a loaded firearm in your vehicle and on your person while in the vehicle but if you get out of the vehicle the firearm must be secured. That's more than a lot of other states allow for CCW carries from states their state doesn't honor.
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Illinois training requirements and fees were the last ditch effort to preclude people from getting a CCW. Just means that poor people won't get to carry.
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IL will honor any state that has the same training and qualifications standards that equal or exceed IL's. So far no other state does.
IL allows anyone from another state to take IL's training and get an IL CCW.
However, what IL does allow for out of state CCW is you can have a loaded firearm in your vehicle and on your person while in the vehicle but if you get out of the vehicle the firearm must be secured. That's more than a lot of other states allow for CCW carries from states their state doesn't honor.
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Sorry but a lot of this is incorrect. The part about out of state CCW holders being able to carry while inside your vehicle is correct. The rest not so much. The only states that Illinois considers to have similar training and qualification standards are Hawaii and South Carolina. Residents of these two states with a resident CCW may apply for an Illinois non-resident CCW. Illinois will not recognize a CCW from any other state to actually carry with it. Jim.
https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/public/home.aspx
You need to click on "checklist prior to applying" this brings up a pop-up with the info.
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Sorry but a lot of this is incorrect. The part about out of state CCW holders being able to carry while inside your vehicle is correct. The rest not so much. The only states that Illinois considers to have similar training and qualification standards are Hawaii and South Carolina. Residents of these two states with a resident CCW may apply for an Illinois non-resident CCW. Illinois will not recognize a CCW from any other state to actually carry with it. Jim.
https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/public/home.aspx
You need to click on "checklist prior to applying" this brings up a pop-up with the info.
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Sorry but you need a bit of updating and check the legislative record and learn the intent of the statute before responding. The legislature was very clear that the only states that IL would honor their CCW was if that state had equal or better certification than IL. They are still in the initial stages of the program as you know. They have not gotten to the point where they will be reviewing other state's programs. Eventually tho that is the plan. Don't think it's an automatic approval. It will involve reviewing the other state's certification program and then doing an Ad Rule to include those other states. Ad Rules take time to get accomplished.
So yes my info is correct. You'll just have to wait. If you read the link you provided you must have missed the part that says "Note: Not all states have responded to the survey." It's going to take some time.
And any resident from any state can apply for an IL CCW once they complete IL's training program. There's already been some from WI in the hopper to be issued.
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Well, until Illinois gets reciprocity figured out or simply full faith and credit for other states' licenses, I'll just have to avoid the place altogether. Don't feel bad; I'm still waiting for Wisconsin, as well.
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NON-RESIDENTS
In accordance with 430 ILCS 66/40 (b), out of state residents may be eligible for an Illinois Concealed Carry License if your state meets the definition of substantially similar as established by rule. See 20 Il. Admin. Code 1231.10. Currently, the states identified below have been determined to have laws related to firearm ownership, possession, and carrying that are substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under Illinois’ law; and, therefore, may apply for an Concealed Carry License. This list will be updated as additional states are identified as substantially similar. Further Information concerning the regulations for non-resident applications can be found at 20 Il. Admin. Code 1231.110.
•Hawaii
•South Carolina
This is from the ISP web site and yes Illinois will allow non-residents who hold a CCW from their home state to apply for a non-resident permit. That is if their laws are substantially similar to Illinois, and yes that would be an on going process. However since I do not have a chrystal ball or inside information I will rely on what is published on the ISP web site.
There is nothing in this law about honoring the CCW issued to a resident of any other state. Jim.
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I believe it will take the ILL AG a long time to get comfortable with CC in ILL by residents, much less people with CCLs from the free-states.
Then, the carry laws will vary between cities & counties to discourage CCLs from carrying.
The State will need to pass a pre-emption law to prohibit any City, County or other local jurisdiction from enacting restrictions not allowed in the State law for uniformity.
Also, there will need to be Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground, Amendments to the State Constitution, etc.
The only totally reliable source for CCL specifics is the State's AG through released interpretations, but even those come with disclaimers.
Safest route is 'Keep-It-Concealed' and 'Don't Tell Anyone'.
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I believe it will take the ILL AG a long time to get comfortable with CC in ILL by residents, much less people with CCLs from the free-states.
Then, the carry laws will vary between cities & counties to discourage CCLs from carrying.
The State will need to pass a pre-emption law to prohibit any City, County or other local jurisdiction from enacting restrictions not allowed in the State law for uniformity.
Also, there will need to be Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground, Amendments to the State Constitution, etc.
The only totally reliable source for CCL specifics is the State's AG through released interpretations, but even those come with disclaimers.
Safest route is 'Keep-It-Concealed' and 'Don't Tell Anyone'.
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Our AG is as anti-gun as you can get as is our present Governor and the House and Senate leadership. Hopefully we will change our Governor this year, problem is the "R" challenger does not appear pro-gun, somewhat neutral, don't know. Although it is not called "castle doctrine" Illinois has had good laws protecting homeowners in self defense shootings. The law also contains statewide pre-emption for handgun and CCW, one of the things that made this flawed law acceptable. Jim.
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I believe it will take the ILL AG a long time to get comfortable with CC in ILL by residents, much less people with CCLs from the free-states.
Then, the carry laws will vary between cities & counties to discourage CCLs from carrying.
The State will need to pass a pre-emption law to prohibit any City, County or other local jurisdiction from enacting restrictions not allowed in the State law for uniformity.
Also, there will need to be Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground, Amendments to the State Constitution, etc.
The only totally reliable source for CCL specifics is the State's AG through released interpretations, but even those come with disclaimers.
Safest route is 'Keep-It-Concealed' and 'Don't Tell Anyone'.
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IL's CCW does contain statewide preemption on laws affecting handguns and handgun ammo. There are still questions about lasers and mag capacity restrictions in Chicago.
We actually already have fairly decent justifiable use of force statutes at the state level. All in one place here at IL Carry:
Justifiable Use of Force - IL Statute - Illinois Right to Carry - IllinoisCarry.com
Our transportation laws are fairly "liberal," which is surprising given this state. You don't have to be going to/from range, for example, to have an unloaded, cased firearm in your trunk or hatch (or otherwise inaccessible) if you have a FOID card. There are some discrepancies between the new CCW law and the wildlife code (which also oversees transportation of firearms), which are being ironed out.
The restriction which really needs to be removed is the one banning carry on public transportation. There is a lot of crime on public transit in Chicago.
All in all, our law is what I call "medium" - could have been a lot worse (may issue, many more restrictions) and definitely could have been better. But as many other states before us had to take time to improve theirs, so shall we. It may just take longer here. But we got shall issue from the get go and that is huge.
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I have a problem with your map. Most states have a reciprocity agreement ( you go with ours and we will go with yours). If your state does not agree with that what makes you think other states will just roll over and accept you.
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I have a problem with your map. Most states have a reciprocity agreement ( you go with ours and we will go with yours). If your state does not agree with that what makes you think other states will just roll over and accept you.
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So if I understand you correctly
You doubt the accuracy?
Hmm I will double check my source
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I have a problem with your map. Most states have a reciprocity agreement ( you go with ours and we will go with yours). If your state does not agree with that what makes you think other states will just roll over and accept you.
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There are also states such as Indiana whose law states they will recognize or honour permits issued by any other state or foreign country. These states do not require reciprocity with the other states for this. Jim.
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Yep. Good advice. Many of us here in IL have had the FL and/or UT for some years now.
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Then I can go to all those places I'm never going to go!
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Why would for any reason a person be "Snarky" about things from Illinois? Can't even imagine..
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IL will honor any state that has the same training and qualifications standards that equal or exceed IL's. So far no other state does.
For me, this the dealbreaker. The sovereign state of Cook county in the country of Illinois has decreed 16 hours of training, Let it be written, let it be done!
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IL will honor any state that has the same training and qualifications standards that equal or exceed IL's. So far no other state does.
For me, this the dealbreaker. The sovereign state of Cook county in the country of Illinois has decreed 16 hours of training, Let it be written, let it be done!
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Well stated, well stated....To hell with the law, this is Cook County......
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430 ILCS 66/40
Sec. 40. Non-resident license applications.
(a) For the purposes of this Section, "non-resident" means a person who has not resided within this State for more than 30 days and resides in another state or territory.
(b) The Department shall by rule allow for non-resident license applications from any state or territory of the United States with laws related to firearm ownership, possession, and carrying, that are substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under this Act.
(c) A resident of a state or territory approved by the Department under subsection (b) of this Section may apply for a non-resident license. The applicant shall apply to the Department and must meet all of the qualifications established in Section 25 of this Act, except for the Illinois residency requirement in item (xiv) of paragraph (2) of subsection (a) of Section 4 of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act.
This is from FAQ on the ISP web site, Illinois will not honor any other states permit. What it is talking about is who may apply for an Illinois non-resident permit and at this time that means permit holders from South Carolina and Hawaii. I hate to see people have a better opinion of Illinois than it deserves. I would also hate to see someone mistakenly think they can carry in Illinois with a permit from one of these states and get busted.
Also you can find this on http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/USSt...tateHonors.pdf
there it says:
Illinois
Does not honor any other state permits
For some reason there seems o be confusion about "carrying in Illinois with a permit from another statew" and "being able to apply for a Illinois non-resident permit." Jim.
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Also you can find this on http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/USSt...tateHonors.pdf
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Does not honor any other state permits
For some reason there seems o be confusion about "carrying in Illinois with a permit from another statew" and "being able to apply for a Illinois non-resident permit." Jim.
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Thanks Jim
Seems like this link's spreadsheet matches to the map
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Illinois will not honor any other states permit for general carry in Illinois. They will only accept applications from Non Residents from the states of Hawaii and South Carolina at this time. For a non resident to apply they must be from a state that has criteria to obtain their state permit similar to Illinois. Again at this time only residents of Hawaii and South Carolina that have a permit/license from their home state can apply.
IL will allow you peaceable journey through IL if you have a permit/license to carry from your state of residence. Their law doesn't state from your state of residence but I have seen three emails about that question from the IL State Police that state if you have a permit/license from your home state. Now you can keep it on you in your vehicle but can't exit your vehicle with a loaded firearm while traveling through IL. You can lock the loaded firearm out of site in your vehicle. BUT DO NOT LEAVE THE VEHICLE WITH AN LOADED UNSECURED FIREARM!!!! If you unloaded it and secure it in a closed latched container you can then transport it into your friends home or motel room for the night.
For Peaceable Journey through the state in your vehicle with a permit/license from your state of residence is the only thing that IL allows for Non Residents. You can't leave the vehicle with a loaded unsecured firearm.
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Illinois will not honor any other states permit for general carry in Illinois. They will only accept applications from Non Residents from the states of Hawaii and South Carolina at this time. For a non resident to apply they must be from a state that has criteria to obtain their state permit similar to Illinois. Again at this time only residents of Hawaii and South Carolina that have a permit/license from their home state can apply.
IL will allow you peaceable journey through IL if you have a permit/license to carry from your state of residence. Their law doesn't state from your state of residence but I have seen three emails about that question from the IL State Police that state if you have a permit/license from your home state. Now you can keep it on you in your vehicle but can't exit your vehicle with a loaded firearm while traveling through IL. You can lock the loaded firearm out of site in your vehicle. BUT DO NOT LEAVE THE VEHICLE WITH AN LOADED UNSECURED FIREARM!!!! If you unloaded it and secure it in a closed latched container you can then transport it into your friends home or motel room for the night.
For Peaceable Journey through the state in your vehicle with a permit/license from your state of residence is the only thing that IL allows for Non Residents. You can't leave the vehicle with a loaded unsecured firearm.
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Go to this URL:
https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/public/home.aspx
Click on: - Checklist prior to applying
A window will open Scroll down in that window until you come to Non-Residents and read it. This is from the IL State Police.
It states this:
NON-RESIDENTS
In accordance with 430 ILCS 66/40 (b), out of state residents may be eligible for an Illinois Concealed Carry License if your state meets the definition of substantially similar as established by rule. See 20 Il. Admin. Code 1231.10. Currently, the states identified below have been determined to have laws related to firearm ownership, possession, and carrying that are substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under Illinois’ law; and, therefore, may apply for an Concealed Carry License. This list will be updated as additional states are identified as substantially similar. Further Information concerning the regulations for non-resident applications can be found at 20 Il. Admin. Code 1231.110.
Hawaii
South Carolina
Other requirements if your state meets the substantially similarly definition:
16 hours of Concealed Carry firearms training provided by an ISP approved Instructor.
An electronic copy of a valid concealed carry license from my home state.
Electronic Copy of my training certificate(s). You will be required to upload your electronic certificate during the application process.
A head and shoulder electronic photograph taken within the last 30 days.
An Illinois Digital I.D.
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OK, thanks. If it wasn't for family living in Illinois, I wouldn't even be considering it. $300, plus expensive class time is just insane. Then $300, there after upon renewal. One can tell they went kicking and screaming into allowing concealed carry...
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OK, thanks. If it wasn't for family living in Illinois, I wouldn't even be considering it. $300, plus expensive class time is just insane. Then $300, there after upon renewal. One can tell they went kicking and screaming into allowing concealed carry...
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Indeed! A friend of mine just completed the CCL class and said it cost $150 for the class, $150 for the CCL, plus another $45 for fingerprinting!
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My understanding is Chicago gun owners can now own guns and have them at their residence. Can they have them in their home and on their property without a carry permit? Do guns still have to be registered with the PD in Chicago?
About ten years ago Daley started the "gentrification" of Chicago. Low and no income people lost their place to "stay" in Chicago, so they section eighted to Indiana. I never used to carry a gun unless I visited Pawn and gun shops in Gary In.. Now I rarely leave home without a gun unless I'm headed for Illinois.
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The state Preempted all Handgun laws. All the restrictions cities in Illinois had for handguns are now null and void. They can keep their long gun restrictions whatever they were. IL residents must still have a FOID Card to possess any firearms.
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While Illinois has 23 classes of location in which carry is prohibited, plus any locations posted by the owner, there is a significant redeeming feature.
Your car is safe-haven in any prohibited location except nuclear power plants and those subject to federal bans. For example, you can park in a school lot as long as you leave the handgun (which can be loaded) in a closed compartment or container. The car and/or the container must be locked. You can place the firearm in the trunk if you unload before exiting the vehicle.
In short, you leave Illinois in relative safety before you reach a free state.
The governor used his amendatory veto to restrict licensees to one firearm, one magazine and no more than 10 round of ammunition. This an other added measures were soundly defeated. Still they keep trying.
I see that Michigan is on board. Now if Colorado and South Carolina would recognize Illinois, life would be good.
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04-19-2014, 05:23 PM
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I do not believe that anyone that has a "permit" or "license" to carry concealed or otherwise should have to worry about going through another state anywhere in this country. The right to self defense is a God given right not just because it is a constitutional right acknowledging it to be so.
No one in this country should have to wait for someone else to take action for themselves when their own life is in danger and as the Boy Scouts motto is Be Prepared that means prepare for the worst for that reason I carry to hopefully stop a threat in the first place and if necessary I will use deadly force no matter where I am!
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