A few weeks ago i picked up a new Wyatt deep cover, today i took it to the range for the first time. I loaded five rounds two shot fine then the cylinder would not rotate and i had a hard time getting the cylinder to open to get out the live rounds. I tried again to load five more but the cylinder would not close. When i picked up the revolver at my LGS where i ordered it, it was covered in hard black grease on the cylinder. I made a comment to my dealer and he said that's the way it arrived. Also the clinder release was very tight. I will call S&W today and have it sent back but i was wondering if anyone else has had problems with S&W and quality control.

Marko

I don't own a Wyatt, but I do have several j frames, including the Bodyguard .38. In the instructions for that gun they recommend trying your ammo out to see if this very thing happens....The force of the recoil can jar the other cartridges causing the cylinder to lock up.

You may want to check your manual before shipping off your new gun.

When i load the cartridges the cylinder does not close.

Ok i see whats wrong now....the firing pin sticks out and when you have a fully loaded cylinder 5 in there you can get the cylinder to go in. If you load only two or three it goes in until it spins around until it get to where the cylinder pin then just stops. Also is it normal when the cylinder is out and you cannot pull the rigger? On all my other revolvers when the cylinder is out you can pullt t he trigger?

You give absolutely no information that gives any indication of what actually happened except that you had a problem! Not even a hint, such as what ammunition you were using. How does that possibly relate to "...problems with S&W and quality control."?????

Hard black grease all over the cylinder? Didn't come from S&W that way! The usual comments seen are hat the new guns come with no apparent lubrication. What did you do about this, did you clean the gun thoroughly before taking it out to shoot?

From your last post:

The firing pin sticking is one symptom of excessive dry-firing. This can be from a collapsed/damaged firing pin spring or burring. There also could be debris in the action. Between this and the black grease I would wonder if this was a new gun!

Can't pull the trigger with the cylinder out? I would worry if you could. Obviously you do not own another S&W revolver as the solid frame Smiths have been this way since the very beginning! The bolt locks the hammer so it cannot be cocked unless the cylinder is closed. This is to prevent damage to the hand and ratchet, as well as to prevent the gun from being cocked and the cylinder then closed, which would be an open invitation to an AD/ND.

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I just tried to pull the trigger on my 642 with the cylinder opened and it didn't work. I never tried that before and I certainly didn't force it but once I closed the cylinder it was easy.

***GRJ***

Relax.......

Remington 130 grain and yes i did explain , when you put the rounds in the cylinder it does not go into the revolver. The firing pin seems to be stuck in the out position. Yes i did clean the firearm before i shot it, and yes it did come that way from S&W the grease was all on the cylinder in spots the gun was filthy. I just got off the phone with S&W and was told they have been having problems with quality control as as they are putting out allot of qty. Shipping label being sent to me via email.


UOTE=Alk8944;138211885]You give absolutely no information that gives any indication of what actually happened except that you had a problem! Not even a hint, such as what ammunition you were using. How does that possibly relate to "...problems with S&W and quality control."?????

Hard black grease all over the cylinder? Didn't come from S&W that way! The usual comments seen are hat the new guns come with no apparent lubrication. What did you do about this, did you clean the gun thoroughly before taking it out to shoot?[/QUOTE]

You sound like an angry guy.... yes i do own a bunch of S&W revolvers registered magnums Pre-model 27's Model 19's 10's i haven't purchased a new S&W revolver in over 20 years that's why i asked.

You might get a better answer if you posted this in the correct section: S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present

Even so, I'd like to help if I can.

No, the trigger cannot be pulled if the cylinder is out. No, the "black stuff" is not normal. Can you post pics? Without them it is hard to tell what the issue is.

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***GRJ***

Thanks for your reply....the revolver is packed for shipment back. The gun was cleaned so there is nothing to see as far being dirty from the factory. The firing pin is def stuck and i was told by S&W that they have had new guns returned with this problem. Sorry for posting this in the wrong part of the forum i am fairly new here. I just didn't expect that angry guys comments....


OTE=Rastoff;138211951]You might get a better answer if you posted this in the correct section: S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present

Even so, I'd like to help if I can.

No, the trigger cannot be pulled if the cylinder is out. No, the "black stuff" is not normal. Can you post pics? Without them it is hard to tell what the issue is.[/QUOTE]

Did you happen to remove the side plate and look inside to see if the "hard black grease" was binding it up?

Ray

No i didn't take off the side plate the gun is new .Def the firing pin is stuck out which is causing the problem. I dropped it off at Fed/ex already.

Don't let it deter you from staying with the forum. Generally people here are helpful and supportive. And often hilarious.

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Oh well, what the hell.

I wouldn't let an old crabby fart deter me ...

You can easily pull the trigger of any S&W with the cyl out. Just pull
the cyl release button back and hold it there as you pull. It's back like
it would be if the cyl were closed.

Definitely not normal, and a major safety issue to boot if the cylinder could close with the firing pin sticking out and resting on a live round...it could be a mechanical issue at several different levels, or internal crud gumming up the action.

Please keep us informed on the factory's response and diagnosis. You may not get a lot of details ("clean...repair...replace").

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

The Smith & Wessons answer is not comforting to me. "We are putting out a large quantity of product and are having firing pin issues"
I have a PC revolver enroute I hope that is in good shape. I would maybe expect that kind of stuff from a cheap off shore manufacture ,but S&W is like part of the family, it feels like a family member let us down.
S&W slow down, we can wait,quality not quantity.

Not so sure I buy that line as a response... from S&W..

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Jack

That was the response i got.... i do not lie.

The Wyatt deep cover arrived today back from S&W it had a bad firing pin. FYI it wasn't dry fired or anything.

Have you fired it any since it returned?

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Not yet tomorrow i will take it to the range.

it shoots fine now.

Glad it got fixed. It's a shame it needed to be fixed.

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Glad you got it back and it works well for you.

You own multiple registered magnums?


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