Nothing wrong with ball ammo. It has been defending people effectively for hundreds of years. Sure a hollow point might expand and that would be better, but I'm not going to try to talk someone out of ball ammo. It woks better in most guns.

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Yes it has but lead ball ammo at least deforms on impact where as the "approved" jacketed ball ammo that the Geneva Convention dictates does not. For whatever reason, they deem anything else "inhumane". Last I checked, in a war situation, the idea is to kill the enemy. While ball ammo will do it, it does it less efficiently and is thus more "inhumane" than a soft point or hollow point is.

One could hunt deer, bear, or elk with ball ammo but the idea is a fast, clean kill. Ball ammo doesn't guarantee that was well.

...it depends on the occasion & weather...

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I can't believe nobody has selected .50 Cal yet .

I carry a M&P9C as I find it a very versatile pistol for capacity, size, and firepower. More like a jack of all trades, master of none.

I also carry an M&P40 full size occasionally, and have carried a 686. However 90% of the time I'm sporting the 9C.

I like to carry my M&P40 w/4 1/4 barrel with a TLR1 for alumination. OWN for carry.


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My model 60 with 38special lead bullet will do the job without all the mess

Just to be clear- I see the above statement all the time.. After reading the below, If in doubt-research it.

The Geneva Convention has nothing to do with the decisions concerning military full metal jacketed (ball) ammo.

The prohibition on expanding ammunition is covered in The Hague Accords. Funny part of it is that the United States refused to sign and never formally agreed to the Accords.

The U.S. is part of NATO and since the U.S. tends to lead the way in standardization of NATO ammunition they also tend to stay within the Hague Accords since most of the NATO countries signed the Accords. So- we set standards for what they have all agreed to use.

Special Operations units and some Ranger units carry hollow-point ammo all the time. I served in Vietnam Nam and Desert Shield/Storm and lots of places in between. I have never carried ball ammo. We used Federal HS +p+ in the M9's and +p in .45 for our HK MK 23's.

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When I did carry, it was 45 ACP with SD hollow points. But the most "carried" gun I have is a Remington XP-100 in 223 Rem. Used on prairie dog hunts for 15 years in three states.

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Other.....44 Special.

.45 ACP.


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Usually pocket carry a .380. But it's been so dang cold lately I've been wearing my leather gloves when walking the dog which don't work for getting in and out of a pocket. So on those cold days I carry a .45 OWB.

No surprised there.
I think much of the reason might be because 38spl and 9mm are the cheapest to practice with, and the lightest recoiling, minimum self defense caliber made. There is also no shortage of different model guns available that are chambered in those two calibers.

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I carry two model 36's, both IWB carry.

Glock 30S in .45acp.

I put in a 3.5# connector, 0.5# lighter trigger spring, a lighter plunger spring, and I installed Warren Tactical sights (all black rear, tritium front with white outline). It's very accurate, easy to carry, easy to conceal, and fun to shoot.

As for holsters, I either carry it in an Alien Gear Tuck 2.0 (iwb) or Black Dog Concealment kydex owb holster that wears pancake wings instead of standard belt loops. The pancake wings allow it to ride closer.

Forgot to add, I keep it loaded with 230 grain short barrel Speer Gold Dots.

Every day, .45ACP. Camping, small game hunting, fishing trips a .22LR revolver. Large game hunting a .44 magnum, or occasionally a .357.

But every day the .45ACP rides along, usually in addition to those other specific-purpose handguns.

They've been working very well for a century or so. With modern advances in ammo they can be very effective in compact sizes with less recoil and racket. What's not to like?

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Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard, 380 caliber with RIP bullets.

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My primary has been a G31/357Sig more often than not for a while now. Reliable, accurate, lightweight, and did I mention it puts rounds on target. A good 1911/45 is a close second, for the same reasons.

If the new M&P was available in 356TSW or 357Sig I would look closely at it... (hint hint)

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.45 ACP (Sig Ultra 1911).

Glock 30 gen4 or a 3" 629 with specials in her

While I carry a 4 inch .357 Magnum S&W Model 686 as a duty revolver from 45 to 59 hours a week, I carry a .38 Special S&W Model 37 all that time and most of the time I'm not working. I even carry it when I carry my serious off-duty gun (3 inch .357 Magnum S&W Model 13).

Therefore, the .38 Spl wins.

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I carry a Sig P228 9mm with 16 rounds in it. It performs flawlessly and is very accurate and conceals easy.

My new 686 3" 7 shot. A little bulky but under a jacket just fine.

I carry a 38 spl model 36 nickel plated ,plus p shells

The idea is to destroy the enemy, or the enemy's will to fight, if I recall the quote. A solidly placed round will do the latter. Kill a man, that's one man out of the fight. Wound a man, that's two men out of the fight if someone stops to help him.

I carry a FiveSeven these days. Used to carry a Sig .40 cal because it was required on duty, and I didn't want my reactions marred by carrying different firearms. I prefer the FiveSeven.

Sorry - I know this is a S&W forum. I've carried 686s, Chief Specials, 4609, as well. Also m1911.

In the field, I plan to carry the 460V: round selection chosen by enviroment.

It was more of a comment of interest than judging people's choice. I have nothing against either round. As long as it works and the person can comfortably shoot it, hood for them. Like you said, they have been around for over 100 years. There is a reason why that is.


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You are correct in the thinking behind the round choice. With the people we have been fighting since Vietnam, they haven't followed that philosophy so much. They leave them where they way and worry about them later. Maybe.


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Yes, but we learned the hard way that people don't always stop to help their fellow soldier. This idea was brought to life by the US military were we leave no man behind. Other nations don't have that integrity or honor.

The same is true with thugs today. I'd actually be more surprised to see one of these low life grease balls stop to help their partner in crime. Most will just leave them to bleed out.

So, practice and learn to make your rounds count. You can't count on a wound stopping the threat.

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I carry a S&W Mdl.19-4 snub 90% of the time with .38 135 grn short bbl ammo. Just started carrying a 642 bug with the same load in addition to the 19. I do, however, carry a 1911 in .45 acp/ 200 grn critical defense loads from time to time. I have complete trust in the Mdl. 19 and the .38 caliber ammo I use in it to put a stop to some skullduggery.